Revolver Ocelot (Metal Gear)
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The Man With No Name (The Man With No Name trilogy)
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John Marston (Red Dead Redemption)
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Jonah Hex (DC)
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Roland Deschain (The Dark Tower)
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Han Solo (Star Wars)
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Erron Black (Mortal Kombat)
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Vigilante (DC)
@tparks: @nickzambuto: One of many feats.
Look at this feat.
1) Gun goes bang, Smoke is blowing out of it. What is Roland doing? He is reaching with his odd hand for his gun on his waste, head down.
2) At around 5 feet, the bullet just nicks Roland chin, and Roland has his gun up, head up, and firing the gun at this time.
3) What makes this more impressive, Roland was poison and had a killer fever. He was dying! Yet reacted this fast at his worst.
4) Further proof of the Novel about the same feat. Fast as a streak of blue summer lightning. Fast as ever if sick or half asleep in discussion of him dying from a fever.
@sirfizzwhizz: I love how Roland is able to perform just as well as always, no matter what happens to him. Whether he's sick, poisoned, injured, loses the use of a hand, ages 10 years in a night, etc....
Hex has a similar feat, where he has been knocked unconscious, and is thrown into a ravine to die. A rattle snake finds him while he's unconscious, and goes to strike at Hex, Hex starts coming to in mid strike of the snake, and has the speed to draw his gun, and shoot the snake before it bites him. It's one of my favorite speed feats, because he is barely even conscious when he does it, and has barely a fraction of a fraction of a second to draw and shoot.
I think can top that with one of my fav Roland feats.
As seen, 5 Sucker Bats are within 5 feet or Roland, and have him surrounded. Roland in that split second spins all around, firing a single shot, and nailing the bats before they move another foot. Bats are fast as hell too. This was incredible speed.
@nickzambuto: Well by feats I do not see Ocelot doing what Roland can and has.
All in all the best speed feats Ocelot have consist of the blitzing Marines and GRU soldiers with the distraction of his coat, and rapid firing the Revolver of the taser like attack Volgin has. Those are good, but Roland is better IMO.
However its not speed alone either, its accuracy. Roland does not miss. Ocelot, love the guy, he misses a bit against super humans of Snake Caliber. I feel by feats, Roland would tag Solid Snake. By feats of marksmanship and the various super beings, or numbers of foes he tag in impossible conditions at a time..
@sirfizzwhizz: As skilled as Roland Deschain is, unless you're secretly holding back his best speed feats, Revolver Ocelot is still the king of the draw.
Don't get me wrong, Roland is more accurate, that's definite. Same goes for Jonah Hex. But I don't find either of their abilities in the category of speed to be nearly as over the top as the two clips I already showed for Ocelot. Let me go over the scans you posted and explain why I feel this way;
Roland here is explained to move, think, and react faster than any of the other trained from birth Gunslingers. He unleashes his Hawk and retrieves it faster than even his friend Cuthbert, who is super human fast himself, could do the same task.
You seem to be blowing this scan out of proportion. It says Roland was faster than all of his comrades, but you're trying to turn it into something that it really isn't. All he did was raise and release his hawk before anyone else. Is it really anything impressive? I mean SOMEONE had to be first, and is it really any surprise that Roland is the fastest out of all his fellow students? I mean that's kind of why he is the main character, they're just nameless nobodies in the background, filler members of the organization. I don't want to call them fodder since I know the gunslingers are very skilled, but... you know what I mean. Why is being the fastest among them impressive when that's the whole prerequisite of the story, and why is it anything impressive against Ocelot, who at the same age was the fastest gun among all the Spetsnaz and probably the fastest gun among all of GRU, the KGB, and CIA at the same time since he was working as a triple agent against them all? So why shouldn't we assume Ocelot would have also been the fastest among the gunslingers since gunslinging is his whole thing too? Why is this feat actually impressive?
Basically you're trying to blow that scan into something it isn't. If it matters, Ocelot was also trained since birth. In fact many characters in MGS have been. I don't think you would disagree when I say that the Metal Gear universe as a whole is more impressive than what Roland usually deals with. And yet even at the very end of the series, Ocelot is still the fastest gun around. In 1964 during MGS3 as a teenager, he was the fastest, and in 2014 during Guns of The Patriots, he was still the fastest. Who else could be fast enough to throw a mere cigar and hit Solid Snake, and without even looking too? Then when Snake counterattacks, Ocelot, barehanded, strips him of all his gear and utterly humiliates him in CQC, all before the cigar could reach the floor. Who else possesses speed asimpossible as this? Not Roland, even if he is about as close as any character can be.
Let's take a look at Cuthbert. He isn't as fast as Ocelot, but if the comparison is correct, Susannah making him look slow and then Roland making Susannah look like a turtle trying to walk uphill on a piece of glass (which is hilarious btw) then I might start thinking that Roland and Ocelot are close to the same league. But I have to ask, why should we assume Eddie Dean and Cuthbert have equal skill if they were born in separate universes and lived entirely different lives? They probably don't have the same training, the same experience, or presumably the same skills. Unless Eddie has his own feats, I'm afraid there's no reason to believe him equal to his counterpart. So Roland is simply faster than someone who makes a regular person look slow. Doesn't sound like anything Ocelot would be impressed with.
Roland faces off one of the most notorious Gunslingers for hire, Eldrad Jonas, and at the age of 16 he quick draws him with a double tap faster than he could bring his own gun to bear.
This is hardly a legitimate duel. Eldrad wasn't even going for his gun, he was in the middle of a monologue and Roland just decided to shoot him. I'm pretty sure we can just assume Roland is faster than him anyway since Roland is obviously the best, but why is this impressive? You seriously think this is enough to make someone faster than Ocelot, when Ocelot has had LEGITIMATE duels with characters as skilled as Solid Snake and Big Boss, and even the graphic novel that you like so much explicitly shows Ocelot beating Snake on the draw by a mile? I mean it really says a lot how Ocelot is already firing before Snake has even drawn his gun. Snake reacts to the bullets themselves, but he does not react to Ocelot's draw. Ocelot's draw is faster than the actual bullets that he is firing. That is so over the top. Ocelot is the king of fictional cowboys.
Another good feat has a starving mad Roland who has not slept in forever is at his lowest when facing 8 mutant dogs. Roland is circled by them, each one less than 5 feat away, and they all charge in at one. Roland dances around them the most part taking them out one at a time while reciting the Creed. Last gets a bite on him, but again, Roland was raving mad and on fumes at this point, so its a damn good feat. Bat feat is better of Roland in much better shape and sound mind.
This is another feat that I think you're blowing out of proportion. It actually isn't that impressive, since the dogs were very spread out, and pretty far from Roland, but he only just barely shot them all and ended up getting bit anyway. I won't use it as a low showing since you say Roland was in bad condition, and the bats feat is probably more indicative of his true capabilities, but that still doesn't make him as fast as Ocelot.
Look at this. The pack emerges from the mist and they are a fair distance away from Roland,
Yet they are upon Roland before he can finish them off and he ends up getting bit by one. If Ocelot were in this situation, he would have killed all the dogs before they got close. I reference the scene against Gurlukovich and his soldiers. I haven't seen anything from Roland's feats to prove he is actually so over-the-top fast that he could replicate what Ocelot did there. In fact, this scene seems to confirm the opposite. All characters have limits, but this means that Ocelot's are higher than Roland's.
1) "Too quick to see," and that reference was toward his Ka Tet of Susannah and Jake, both which are too quick to see for normal soldiers. Yet Roland is faster than them.
2) Roland draws his gun, and fires faster than a already aimed shotgun hidden in a basket can have the trigger pulled. Stated as "Blindingly fast as ever."
3) Here Roland quick draws in his pants, hidden from Randal Flagg who also has super human speeds. "His speed blinding."
Consistent statements but Ocelot seems to physically move at the speeds described more regularly than Roland actually does. You're taking the narration a bit out of context, Roland is described as being "blindingly fast" and the like, but it is not specifically in relation to Susannah, Jake, or Randal. He is just blindingly fast in general.
Roland again described as fast at reloading a six shooter, each shell by hand. "With ghastly, supernatural speed." Wizard and Glass
Ocelot's weakness is actually reloading, so Roland has him beat there, I admit.
Flathearty and his gang of 17 soldiers that consisted of of Type 3 Vampires, Low Men, and Taheen. All are killed before they could fire their own guns back. Flathearty himself is killed while halfway drawing his gun by Roland who still had his hand up to his mouth. In this Roland with the super speed compared to Flathearty, fires off two shots. In a split second as stated, Eddie fire 6 shots, then Roland reloading his two fired another 6, then Eddie who reloaded again fired another 5 shots. All in the time that these train soliders could bring up there own weapons. Dark Tower
Alright now THIS is what I'm talking about, although more so for Eddie than Roland. The way I'm reading it, Eddie killed six men, reloaded his gun, then killed an unspecified number more but presumably emptied his revolver, and the narration specifically states that nobody had the chance to fire a single round. Meanwhile Roland beat Flathearty despite his hand being farther away, which isn't half bad although certainly nothing to put him on Ocelot's level, but he then goes on to kill five more men before they can react.
I think we can agree Eddie performed better in this situation, although that just speaks higher of Roland since he is way faster than Eddie (unless you're taking a few of these excerpts out of context, eh?)
I mean emptying his chamber, reloading, then emptying his chamber again all before anybody can react? That is insane. And he's STILL nothing compared to Roland? Jeez.
I'm not really sure what's faster, this scene, or Ocelot drawing and heart shotting Fortune before she could pull her trigger. I think I would have to go with Ocelot vs Fortune since Fortune had superhuman reaction time, to the extent of keeping up with dozens of mach 2 missiles and expertly guiding each of them through and around Snake, Raiden, Solidus, and herself without any of them being exposed, while bleeding out extensively, whereas Ocelot humiliated her when she was at 100% and already had her weapon aimed and finger on the trigger. Fortune has extremely, extremely superhuman reaction time, which in my opinion would make outreacting her a bit harder than outreacting about 10 men, even if Eddie reloaded in the midst of it.
But that's still extremely over the top speed for Eddie. If he and Roland have more feats like that, I might reconsider things. But at the moment, I think anybody being sensible can see that Ocelot really is capable of a lot more than Roland is when it comes to trickshots and quickdraw, but Roland likely has the advantage in accuracy and reloading speed. Unlike Roland, Ocelot is a complete super soldier all around with bullet timing speed, and gunslinging just happens to be his specialty. But he's fast all around; senses, reflexes, and movement. He proves that in this scene when he draws his revolver to Raiden's face to execute him, but immediately senses the Cyborg Ninja coming down to ambush him and recoils his hand just as her sword comes down.
Ocelot had no warning or indication that the Ninja was coming; she made no sound, she just fell from the sky, and he wasn't looking in that direction. Ocelot was saved through sheer instincts, and despite being ambushed, his reflexes were sharp enough to move faster than the Ninja. This is incredibly impressive considering the Ninja immediately follows up by using her sword to deflect an entire hailstorm of assault rifle fire from close range, without ricocheting any bullets into Raiden or the hostages. So Ocelot basically moved his hand faster than mach 2. This is basically the same as his outreacting Fortune, Ocelot is consistently drawing at this speed.
This is also an example of Ocelot's sixth sense for danger, an ability that only the top tiers in Metal Gear possess, including Solid Snake, Big Boss, Venom Snake, and Liquid Snake, as well as Ocelot, evidently.
Liquid Snake (disguised as Master Miller): People who have been through war and survived develop a kind of sixth sense to warn them of danger. Trust your instincts as a soldier...
That inner voice that warns you when danger is nearby... You can't learn that in training. You've got to have survived a few firefights...seen a few friends blown away...before you learn that trick.
These strong senses are obviously a big advantage in a firefight.
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