" @CapitolPunishment: Stomps?A baboon would murder a grizzly,along with Chimps.A gorilla will rip it's head off with it's "pulling muscles" "
Can I have some of what you’re smoking? Full grown silverback Gorillas are routinely preyed upon by leopards. What makes you think a grizzly can’t do what a 200 pound cat does all the time?
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Routinely? My impression was that only sickly ones are ever preyed on, and only when attacked from behind and even then the brachiating anatomy of the gorilla allows it to easily allows them to pull the leopard from its back and snap it's spine unless the leopard kills it with it's first strike.
" @CapitolPunishment: Stomps?A baboon would murder a grizzly,along with Chimps.A gorilla will rip it's head off with it's "pulling muscles" "
Can I have some of what you’re smoking? Full grown silverback Gorillas are routinely preyed upon by leopards. What makes you think a grizzly can’t do what a 200 pound cat does all the time?
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Routinely? My impression was that only sickly ones are ever preyed on, and only when attacked from behind and even then the brachiating anatomy of the gorilla allows it to easily allows them to pull the leopard from its back and snap it's spine unless the leopard kills it with it's first strike. "
Yes, routinely. We are talking about facts here, not animal face-off cgi.
1) Gorillas eat plants and do not aggressivly seak out leopards or any prey for that matter. 2) Gorillas are natural prey for most Leopards that share the same habitat. 3) A 500lb Grizzly is far more dangerous then a leopard.
Read any study done on Gorillas and they will all show you that Leopards are a natural preditor to the Gorillas. If Leopards had such a poor K/D ratio against gorillas they would not hunt them.
(This does not exclude some random bad-a$$ Gorilla that may have a few leopard kills under his belt.)
@CapitolPunishment: Like you said the leopard pray on the gorillas but they dont always win just because the gorillas dont seek them out doesn't mean they wont kill them if they come looking for them
"@MarvelJackAss433: "Guy", no they are not. 1) Gorillas eat plants and do not aggressivly seak out leopards or any prey for that matter.2) Gorillas are natural prey for most Leopards that share the same habitat. 3) A 500lb Grizzly is far more dangerous then a leopard. Read any study done on Gorillas and they will all show you that Leopards are a natural preditor to the Gorillas. If Leopards had such a poor K/D ratio against gorillas they would not hunt them. (This does not exclude some random bad-a$$ Gorilla that may have a few leopard kills under his belt.) Grizzly still wins "
" There is absolutely no way that a Gorilla is going to survive against a Grizzly. "
Actually i can see the Gorilla winning here. The Gorilla is faster and more munuverable than the Bear "
Unless the Gorilla's strategy is to run away, that agility won't help it .. not to mention that a Grizzly can run between 30-40 MPH. They can cover the length of a football field in about 5-6 seconds. If the Gorilla tries to grapple with the Bear in any way its skull will be caved in. If you read the previous posts from "CapitolPunishment" , he is very correct in his statement that Gorilla are prey for predators such as Leopards. If a 100 - 150 lb. cat can kill a Gorilla then a 500 lb. Grizzly is going to destroy a Gorilla. They can snap the neck of a Moose or Bison with a single swipe. Gorillas are formidable, but it doesn't have the power or tools and mindset to take a predator like this.
" There is absolutely no way that a Gorilla is going to survive against a Grizzly. "
Actually i can see the Gorilla winning here. The Gorilla is faster and more munuverable than the Bear "
Unless the Gorilla's strategy is to run away, that agility won't help it .. not to mention that a Grizzly can run between 30-40 MPH. They can cover the length of a football field in about 5-6 seconds. If the Gorilla tries to grapple with the Bear in any way its skull will be caved in. If you read the previous posts from "CapitolPunishment" , he is very correct in his statement that Gorilla are prey for predators such as Leopards. If a 100 - 150 lb. cat can kill a Gorilla then a 500 lb. Grizzly is going to destroy a Gorilla. They can snap the neck of a Moose or Bison with a single swipe.Gorillas are formidable, but it doesn't have the power or tools and mindset to take a predator like this. "
That speed cannont be used in a fight. And they can only run at that speed for a short while =]
Leopards ambush Gorrilas =]
A Bear at 500lbs can weaken he Bear and it's muscle mass =]
Gorilla's are capable of ripping a car door off clean. Having the strength of 8-15 men =]
A Gorilla is capable of breaking The Bears back =]
Just wanted to add that the claw attack is not its only option. A Grizzly Bears' bite force is off the charts at around 1200lbs. on average ... but Brown Bears have even been measured at up to 4500 lbs. or so. Although the Gorilla has respectable and impressive bite force as well, it's jaws are simply not designed in such a way that will give it any advantage in this fight over the canines and muzzle of this predator. Also, the Gorilla is not choking out a Grizzly in some scenario where the Bear is helpless. The condensed and multiple layers of compressed muscle that make up a Grizzly Bears' shoulders and neck are massive and it will find a way to overpower the ape.
@comicdude23: You truly think that Gorilla is going to even get a chance, in the first place, or be capable of breaking that Bears back? It doesn't matter if they can maintain that speed at short distances, because they can maintain it for far longer than the Gorilla would be able to avoid it. Even if he were to attempt to avoid it, that would only prove that the Gorilla wants NO PART of this fight with a Bear.
In fact, that is actually the scenario I imagine would most likely play out. Once that Bear rises up and lets out that thunderous roar, the ape is going to be chilled to the bone with paralyzing fear when faced with such a predator. It will either attempt escape, maybe to the trees if there are any. If on open ground it will be ran down and killed. If it is cornered or stays around out of desperation in defense of some family it may have ... then it will be doing so while on the defensive but will eventually be torn apart.
"@comicdude23: You truly think that Gorilla is going to even get a chance, in the first place, or be capable of breaking that Bears back? It doesn't matter if they can maintain that speed at short distances, because they can maintain it for far longer than the Gorilla would be able to avoid it.Even if he were to attempt to avoid it, that would only prove that the Gorilla wants NO PART of this fight with a Bear. In fact, that is actually the scenario I imagine would most likely play out. Once that Bear rises up and lets out that thunderous roar, the ape is going to be chilled to the bone with paralyzing fear when faced with such a predator.It will either attempt escape, maybe to the trees if there are any. If on open ground it will be ran down and killed. If it is cornered or stays around out of desperation in defense of some family it may have ... then it will be doing so while on the defensive but will eventually be torn apart. "
Gorillas aren't scared =]
They can attack if taunted =]
A Gorilla is more manuverable than a Bear....it can move around the Bear and get it =]
The Bear at 500lbs isn't right. A Bear can weight up to 800lbs. Making it 500lbs can weaken it.....i'm not joking. =]
"@comicdude23: You truly think that Gorilla is going to even get a chance, in the first place, or be capable of breaking that Bears back? It doesn't matter if they can maintain that speed at short distances, because they can maintain it for far longer than the Gorilla would be able to avoid it.Even if he were to attempt to avoid it, that would only prove that the Gorilla wants NO PART of this fight with a Bear. In fact, that is actually the scenario I imagine would most likely play out. Once that Bear rises up and lets out that thunderous roar, the ape is going to be chilled to the bone with paralyzing fear when faced with such a predator.It will either attempt escape, maybe to the trees if there are any. If on open ground it will be ran down and killed. If it is cornered or stays around out of desperation in defense of some family it may have ... then it will be doing so while on the defensive but will eventually be torn apart. "
Gorillas aren't scared =] They can attack if taunted =] A Gorilla is more manuverable than a Bear....it can move around the Bear and get it =] The Bear at 500lbs isn't right. A Bear can weight up to 800lbs. Making it 500lbs can weaken it.....i'm not joking. =] A Gorilla could give the Bear a vital blow =] "
I have to disagree that it wouldn't be scared. Gorillas freak out when a large cat is in the area and they are aware of it. They will try to avoid that confrontation if at all possible. There is a huge psychological advantage for the Bear in this fight. The only scenario in which this could work out for the Gorilla is in a stalemate. Perhaps if he puts up enough of a front that the Bear decides he is a challenge that it isn't worth the risk of injury, considering the bear will have to be healthy to hunt again, he may walk away. If the Bear comes after the Gorilla with intent to kill, the Gorilla will be mauled. It won't work the other way around. The Gorilla is not going to go on the offensive or put some killing blow on this Bear.
Round 1. Bear Round 2. stalemate if Bear loses interest Round 3. NOT the Gorilla Round 4. (or any other situation) BEAR BEAR BEAR BEAR BEAR ...
=] LOL in all seriousness, it was fun debating this for a change of pace. Something different from the comic posts. Thanks comicdude23
"@comicdude23: You truly think that Gorilla is going to even get a chance, in the first place, or be capable of breaking that Bears back? It doesn't matter if they can maintain that speed at short distances, because they can maintain it for far longer than the Gorilla would be able to avoid it.Even if he were to attempt to avoid it, that would only prove that the Gorilla wants NO PART of this fight with a Bear. In fact, that is actually the scenario I imagine would most likely play out. Once that Bear rises up and lets out that thunderous roar, the ape is going to be chilled to the bone with paralyzing fear when faced with such a predator.It will either attempt escape, maybe to the trees if there are any. If on open ground it will be ran down and killed. If it is cornered or stays around out of desperation in defense of some family it may have ... then it will be doing so while on the defensive but will eventually be torn apart. "
Gorillas aren't scared =] They can attack if taunted =] A Gorilla is more manuverable than a Bear....it can move around the Bear and get it =] The Bear at 500lbs isn't right. A Bear can weight up to 800lbs. Making it 500lbs can weaken it.....i'm not joking. =] A Gorilla could give the Bear a vital blow =] "
I have to disagree that it wouldn't be scared. Gorillas freak out when a large cat is in the area and they are aware of it. They will try to avoid that confrontation if at all possible. There is a huge psychological advantage for the Bear in this fight. The only scenario in which this could work out for the Gorilla is in a stalemate. Perhaps if he puts up enough of a front that the Bear decides he is a challenge that it isn't worth the risk of injury, considering the bear will have to be healthy to hunt again, he may walk away. If the Bear comes after the Gorilla with intent to kill, the Gorilla will be mauled. It won't work the other way around. The Gorilla is not going to go on the offensive or put some killing blow on this Bear. Round 1. Bear Round 2. stalemate if Bear loses interest Round 3. NOT the Gorilla Round 4. (or any other situation) BEAR BEAR BEAR BEAR BEAR ... =] LOL in all seriousness, it was fun debating this for a change of pace. Something different from the comic posts. Thanks comicdude23 "
Gorilla's want peace when they are in their habitat. They can attack at times. IF the Gorilla did try it would stalemate then...mabye win...now i think a Bear at it's average weight would win. But since it's 500lbs it'll be weaker than it usually is. The Gorilla can deliver some vital blows. And since the Bear is weaker than it usually is the Bear could be having some trouble from taking blows. They have alot of punching powers =]
But this has been fun. LOL. I always get mixed up in debates about Comics and usually lose. Though in this area i feel like i can debate better. Thanks MzombieX =]
A Grizzly would absolutely destroy the Ape at parity. The Grizzly actually HAS weapons. Claws, Teeth and brute strength (and Fur as protection) against teeth and brute strength.
" A Grizzly would absolutely destroy the Ape at parity. The Grizzly actually HAS weapons. Claws, Teeth and brute strength (and Fur as protection) against teeth and brute strength.
Gorilla's are the strength of 8-15 men. Gorrilla's can rip a car door off clean. Gorrila's are more munvulreble than a Bear, and can move around more. The Bear has been brought down to 500lbs. They should weigh 800lbs. The Gorilla has the strength advantage. Since the Bear weighs 500lbs it will be weaker than it is. Far weaker. A Gorilla can delvier a vital blow that will finish the fight.
LOL dude a door? hahaha...plz dont compare animals to humans, cuz humans suck. What can the Gorilla do when the Bear opens the Apes belly with his claws? Bears are known grapplers. Gorillas are not. Dude Leopards kill/consume Gorillas all the time. And they are tiny compared to the Apes. The gorilla is a poor fighter. Its not some mma fighter with super strength. But its an Ape that likes to scare, and bluff NOT fight.
Grizzly takes this fight. Im not saying it will be easy, but the Bear gets the kill.
"LOL dude a door? hahaha...plz dont compare animals to humans, cuz humans suck. What can the Gorilla do when the Bear opens the Apes belly with his claws? Bears are known grapplers. Gorillas are not. Dude Leopards kill/consume Gorillas all the time. And they are tiny compared to the Apes. The gorilla is a poor fighter. Its not some mma fighter with super strength. But its an Ape that likes to scare, and bluff NOT fight. Grizzly takes this fight. Im not saying it will be easy, but the Bear gets the kill. "
Leapoards ambush Gorrials. Gorrila's have killed Leapoards in the past. The Bear has been toned down to weigh 300lbs less than it should do. Do you how much that will weaken The Bear? The Bears durability won't be good enough. A Gorilla can deliver a vital blow. Gorrila's can fight if taunted.
Gorilla wins
Though i think a 800lbs Bear could win. But not a 500lbs Bear.
Doubt it. The Bear will be very weak....it weighs 300lbs less than it should do "
I know we've already discussed it the other day comic, and I kinda see your argument about the bear weighing less than it normally should. Yet even a 500 grizzly is still 4 times heavier than a leopard that seems to be able to take down a gorilla. You don't think it should still be quite fine in the area of raw power? A 500 lb. grizzly is still quite tall and has the size and reach advantage and still will have excessive strength and weaponry. A 500 lb. grizzly could be simply, a grizzly that is lean and mean after hibernation and now he's very very HUNGRY and given the opportunity of ape meat.
It may seem like a small grizzly at 500 lbs. and appear to you it would be underpowered, but the truth is that the average grizzly or brown bear male in the U.S. is around 500 lbs. He isn't going to be underpowered, that is a solid typical male. They also average in height around 8 feet tall. Of course their weight fluctuates throughout the changing seasons, but doesn't take away from killing ability or power.
Granted there are more extreme cases and the potential that some reach weights between 900 - even 1200 ... 1400 lbs and measure up to 11 feet tall. Yet that isn't always the norm, with those extreme upper weights usually being reserved for Alaskan or Kodiak brown bears.
On the other hand, the gorilla will stand around 4.5 - 5 feet tall. The weight given here at 500 for the male is on the extreme end at 500. They usually tend to be lighter at around 350 - 400 lbs. but even with the added weight he is still facing a very powerful and well conditioned (not underpowered) bear.
@comicdude23: Just thought I'd mention that my friend Mike and I have always gone back and forth on this same topic from time to time. He also would back you that a gorilla could win. But I wouldn't feel so confident about that ! As a child, Mike's father had a coffee mug with a picture of himself superimposed on it (to make it look like he was standing with King Kong) When he questioned the picture, his father told him that King Kong was his Uncle. Needless to say ... all throughout early gradeschool Mike not only believed in Santa, but that King Kong was his Uncle. =]
"@comicdude23: Just thought I'd mention that my friend Mike and I have always gone back and forth on this same topic from time to time. He also would back you that a gorilla could win. But I wouldn't feel so confident about that !As a child, Mike's father had a coffee mug with a picture of himself superimposed on it (to make it look like he was standing with King Kong)When he questioned the picture, his father told him that King Kong was his Uncle.Needless to say ... all throughout early gradeschool Mike not only believed in Santa, but that King Kong was his Uncle. =] "
He believed King Kong was his uncle? LOL =P
@MzombieX said:
"@comicdude23 said:
"@EpitomeofCool said:
"good battle....grizzly bear takes it......."
Doubt it. The Bear will be very weak....it weighs 300lbs less than it should do "
I know we've already discussed it the other day comic, and I kinda see your argument about the bear weighing less than it normally should. Yet even a 500 grizzly is still 4 times heavier than a leopard that seems to be able to take down a gorilla. You don't think it should still be quite fine in the area of raw power?A 500 lb. grizzly is still quite tall and has the size and reach advantage and still will have excessive strength and weaponry. A 500 lb. grizzly could be simply, a grizzly that is lean and mean after hibernation and now he's very very HUNGRY and given the opportunity of ape meat. It may seem like a small grizzly at 500 lbs. and appear to you it would be underpowered, but the truth is that the average grizzly or brown bear male in the U.S. is around 500 lbs. He isn't going to be underpowered, that is a solid typical male. They also average in height around 8 feet tall. Of course their weight fluctuates throughout the changing seasons, but doesn't take away from killing ability or power. Granted there are more extreme cases and the potential that some reach weights between 900 - even 1200 ... 1400 lbs and measure up to 11 feet tall.Yet that isn't always the norm, with those extreme upper weights usually being reserved for Alaskan or Kodiak brown bears. On the other hand, the gorilla will stand around 4.5 - 5 feet tall. The weight given here at 500 for the male is on the extreme end at 500. They usually tend to be lighter at around 350 - 400 lbs. but even with the added weight he is still facing a very powerful and well conditioned (not underpowered) bear. "
But the Leopard ambush's Gorrila's....Gorrila's do not know that Leopards are coming at them. A 500lbs Bear will be extremley unhealthy. Bears are know to weigh atleast 800lbs at average. Hibernation is a good point. But i don't think it's at 300lbs less level. The Grizzly shouldn't be very powerful at this stage...The Grizzly can overpower other animals with it's size+it's weight....But the Gorilla should be faster in combat as it smaller. I know that Bears can run faster than Gorilla's. But i don't see them using that speed in a fight. A Gorilla at it'a average weight (500lbs) should be strong, healthy and munuvlreble. It can move around more than the Bear. And the Grizzly is unhealthy here. A Gorilla can take this to an advantage. The Bear's durability won't be as good as it would be. So i can see the Gorrila delivering powerful blows to the Bear and eventually finishing it off
Gorilla takes it. The bear is way less than it should weigh and the Gorilla is good. Plus the Gorilla is built tough and Bears are thick cause they are hibernation animals. Bears are fast yes but unless they start off like a 400ft away on a plain(with no tress,rocks or hills of some sort-jungle or forest) the bear will not be able to get the rush speed. Gorilla will be more agile and smarter knowing its a fight for its life(the bear would to but not as smart). Bears have claws but are no that sharp from digging in ice and such. Gorilla has a stronger bite but the bear will be able to use bit more. Gorilla is also stronger.
i think most of you are smoking pot..dont u guys no anything about history??? these have all been done before over in japan the used to pit lions,tigers,gorillas,and bears together on 1 on 1 fights to the death in minni arenas..the grizzlys would win every documented fight that they actually had to exclude them and get the black bear which is smaller to make it more eve...grizzly wins every time and thats not an opinion its a fact go do some research
"Gorilla takes it. The bear is way less than it should weigh and the Gorilla is good. Plus the Gorilla is built tough and Bears are thick cause they are hibernation animals. Bears are fast yes but unless they start off like a 400ft away on a plain(with no tress,rocks or hills of some sort-jungle or forest) the bear will not be able to get the rush speed. Gorilla will be more agile and smarter knowing its a fight for its life(the bear would to but not as smart). Bears have claws but are no that sharp from digging in ice and such. Gorilla has a stronger bite but the bear will be able to use bit more. Gorilla is also stronger. "
Gorilla does not have a stronger bite ... Grizzly bears have been measured at 4500 PSI granted, some average measurements have been lower for a bear, but when performing those tests it is impossible to explain to the bear it is being tested. You can't always get an accurate gauge of what the animal is fully potential of putting out in terms of force. Though they have been measured at higher extremes such as the measurement I gave, so you would have to think that they are capable of such if needed and exerting such force in a life or death situation.
@comicdude23: I understand the leopard usually ambushes the gorilla to apply the death blow and get the kill. The difference is that this Grizzly doesn't have to ambush the gorilla since it is the world's largest land predator. It has no reason to fear a 5 foot tall gorilla. Even at 500 lbs. it is the equivalent of 4 leopards, yet it is built to destroy its prey head on instead of needing to ambush. The shoulder design is like nature's wrecking ball. It can charge straight into that gorilla without a care in the world.
If you've ever seen bears in combat with each other, they can maneuver quite well and grapple with each other ... often raising up on their hind legs and tearing into each other. That gorilla is going to look like a borderline midget and see nothing but a dark shadow blocking out the sun as it is overwhelmed.
I disagree that the Grizzly is unhealthy here. This was never stated. It just isn't at the record proportions in this thread, or weights it achieves while preparing for winter hibernation. If you were to research into "average grizzly bear weight" you would find that 500lbs. is not uncommon.
As far as your comment about the bear not being able to get ahold of the grizzly ... The bear is not trying to win an opposable thumb contest. It will use striking force and crush the gorilla. When it does grapple, it will clamp down on the gorilla's face or head and neck or shoulders etc. and tear into it and disembowel it or tear the ape's arms off. It isn't going to have to treat the animal like it does when sparring for territory with another bear, or avoiding as much injury as possible from another equally powerful predator. Assuming the two animals in this thread are fighting to the death with neither backing down ... The ape is the prey, and he isn't walking away from this.
A grizzly is not the worlds largest land predator...its the polar bear my friend. However I do agree with you statement about the opposable thumb contest. Here is an analogy to support your arguement on that; humans have opposable thumbs but yet practically ever animal in the world is a threat against us when we dont have our precious technology with us to save us.
However the Grizzly takes this anyways. Ive spent time searching this up before I posted and Ive found opinion from scientists stating the same. There isnt much in the animal kingdom on land that can actually take out a grizzly.
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