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#1 Edited by dornisim2500 (138 posts) - - Show Bio
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  • Morals ON.

  • Full Knowledge.

  • No BFR

Is He Really This Good?

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#2 Posted by ourmanuel (12272 posts) - - Show Bio

With full knowledge gringelwald might likely win this.

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#3 Posted by Cergic (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont see how HP verse magic touches a literal diety such as Thor. Lesser creatures such as dragons and giants in HP verse are nigh-immune to their magic.

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#5 Posted by StormShadow_X (16784 posts) - - Show Bio

@cergic: He's not some higher deity. He's an Alien. The rules of the HP verse are what's keeping those creatures immune but Thor himself doesn't follow those same rules and unless better reasoning is used would be able to fall by them

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#6 Posted by TheTruthIII (3316 posts) - - Show Bio

@cergic: He's not some higher deity. He's an Alien. The rules of the HP verse are what's keeping those creatures immune but Thor himself doesn't follow those same rules and unless better reasoning is used would be able to fall by them

The thickness and durability of dragonhide is what made them nigh-immune to spells IIRC. Thor's skin with the added layer of Asgardian armor is at the very least as durable, so it should make him largely resistant. And he could easily block any aimed charms with his hammer the same way he deflected Loki's beams or Chitauri blasts. On the other hand, I'm not sure if Grindelwald is reacting to a Mjolnir throw, and he's certainly not reacting to lightning

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#8 Edited by TheTruthIII (3316 posts) - - Show Bio

@xlr87t3 said:

@thetruthiii: TL;DR

Thor rapestomps this guy

Probably. But I haven't seen Crimes of Grindelwald yet, so maybe I'm missing something. Still a little hesitant to arrive at this conclusion

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#9 Edited by BreakOfDawn (2486 posts) - - Show Bio

Please tell me this is a joke. Fiendfyre isn't doing anything to Thor, and Grindelwald's not going to evade him forever. Likewise, I doubt AK will work on him, and even if it does he uses Stormbreaker to block it.

Thor one-shots.

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#10 Edited by ArkhamAsylum3 (3920 posts) - - Show Bio

@breakofdawn said:

Please tell me this is a joke. Fiendfyre isn't doing anything to Thor, and Grindelwald's not going to evade him forever. Likewise, I doubt AK will work on him, and even if it does he uses Stormbreaker to block it.

Thor one-shots.

I'd say AK could work on him if it hit him.

However that is not happening. At least not before Thor one shots him.

Grindelwald dies quickly and brutally.

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#11 Posted by Noone1996 (12041 posts) - - Show Bio

Anybody else think that this was going to be current 616 Thor for a second?

Thor stomps.

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#12 Edited by Cergic (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormshadow_x:

You can be a diety, and an alien. Not exclusive.

And Thor is having them beat in every single category except physical size, pal. You are the one who has to explain why Thor would succumb to spells muuuuuch weaker things than him resists.

Besides, a mothers power of love gave the middle finger to AK spell, and Thor is obviously stronger than Harrys mom by astronomical length, going by scaling.

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#13 Edited by HitTheAssasin (8452 posts) - - Show Bio

Grindelwald could actually win this after the last movie and the buff the verse seems to have gotten in general. Thor probably still takes a majority, but it's in no way a stomp.

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#14 Posted by ourmanuel (12272 posts) - - Show Bio

Imperius should work wonders here

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#15 Posted by CyberpunkCop (3406 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor splatters him on the sidewalk

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#16 Posted by Emperorb777 (11375 posts) - - Show Bio

@cergic said:

@stormshadow_x:

You can be a diety, and an alien. Not exclusive.

And Thor is having them beat in every single category except physical size, pal. You are the one who has to explain why Thor would succumb to spells muuuuuch weaker things than him resists.

Besides, a mothers power of love gave the middle finger to AK spell, and Thor is obviously stronger than Harrys mom by astronomical length, going by scaling.

That's nice but MCU Thor isn't a deity he's just an alien.

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#17 Edited by Cergic (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorb777:

Depends. Widow disagrees with you. So does a few others in the MCU.

Not that i give a shit in the end, it's just a label, not the main point i am making. Semantics is uninteresting here.

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#18 Posted by RanaProGamer (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely Thor, pretty sure he Gellert has nothing that can hurt Thor.

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#19 Posted by Daisy_Johnson (1332 posts) - - Show Bio

Grindelwald could actually win this after the last movie and the buff the verse seems to have gotten in general. Thor probably still takes a majority, but it's in no way a stomp.

Pretty much this. He's pretty much a glass canon to Thor but there's a lot he can do to keep Thor busy or down. Also he could kill Thor through dissipating him, Grindelwald dusted a lot of Wizards like nothing. It's it's a close match depending how much Grindelwald can block Thor's lightening. In that case Thor needs to physically strike him and Grindelwald's reaction time is shown to be quite high by HPverse standards. Without BFR it might be more in Thor's favor, with BFR Grindelwald wins easily. This one goes either way, I'm almost hesitant of saying slight majority for Thor but it likely is, but LOL to anyone who thinks it's a stomp.

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#20 Posted by Eredin12 (580 posts) - - Show Bio

Grindelwald

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#21 Posted by Lan_Fan (15886 posts) - - Show Bio

Full knowledge should be an advantage for Thor, because Grindelwald is by far more versatile while Thor is very one dimensional. I'm going with Thor, because while Grindelwald's magic/skill is batshit insane in terms of power (compared to other HP characters), he hasn't shown hax spells that Thor wouldn't be able to avoid/block, and his raw power means nothing against Thor.

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#22 Posted by AlphaQ (6467 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor should be able to block The Killing Curse with Mjolnir and use his flight, lightning and winds to tag Grindelwald. He isn't going to be able to make this a physical fight considering Grindelwald can Apparate at will. Grindelwald can probably win a minority in an encounter if he opts for using subtlety and diversion against Thor. He'll probably end up winning against this Thor by the end of the new movies, can't wait for the Dumbledore fight, which I have a feeling he will actually win.

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#23 Posted by AlphaQ (6467 posts) - - Show Bio

Although if you scale Grindelwald from Voldemort, who busted a shield that enveloped all of Hogwarts and disintegrated people on contact, he can hurt Thor.

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#24 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (3047 posts) - - Show Bio

Imperious curse solos

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#25 Posted by destinyman75 (15116 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol Thor spite STOMPS

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#26 Edited by Buckwheat (2395 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor FTW

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#27 Edited by Richubs (5681 posts) - - Show Bio

If Avada Kedavara works he wins. Crucify, Imperio and other spells like these will also be useful.

However Thor would one shot if it doesn't work.

Wizards have excellent teleportation so it's great.

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#28 Posted by Rajjar (2335 posts) - - Show Bio

HP Wizards are actually glass cannons whose spells have no answer to durability.

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#29 Edited by Eredin12 (580 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs: well it should work, Avada Kadavra does not damage the body but kills soul, thor has no resistance to that, and spells like Crucio imperio can disable thor so that Avada kadavra tags him and kills him and Grindwald is very fast himself and can use his speed and teleportation to avoid being tagged , he should win

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#30 Edited by Eredin12 (580 posts) - - Show Bio

@alphaq: Well Thor can try to block it with a hammer but Grindwald can use Crucio and Imperio to disable Thor, he cannot block that and one shoot him with Avada kadavra, Grindwald is very fast himself and that in combination with his teleportation should prevent him from being tagged, not to mention that he can be scaled from Voldemort since Grindeland is the most powerful dark wizard that ever lived and that applies to Tom as well .

He should win

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#31 Posted by Eredin12 (580 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: Avada kadvara ignores physical durability since it does not damage the body at all but kills and spells like Curcio and imperio should disable thor long enaugh that Avada kadavra tags him and kills him and Grindwald is very fast himself and that with his teleportation should prevent him from being tagged.

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#32 Posted by Lan_Fan (15886 posts) - - Show Bio

@alphaq said:

Although if you scale Grindelwald from Voldemort, who busted a shield that enveloped all of Hogwarts and disintegrated people on contact, he can hurt Thor.

Well, Grindelwald's own blue fire (Protego Diabolica) was insane as well.

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#33 Posted by Richubs (5681 posts) - - Show Bio
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#34 Posted by Wrathofthebrad (1055 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor stomps.

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#35 Edited by Zuriel-el (3382 posts) - - Show Bio

can't grindelwald teleport behind him and Avada Kedavra

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#36 Edited by Rajjar (2335 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs honestly, I'd ask for durability anti-feats when it comes to bypass arguments like these, and AFAIK more durable giants (and Hagrid as he's half) have no-sold single spell effects, and tanked repeated attempts.

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@rajjar: Avada kadvara ignores physical durability since it does not damage the body at all but kills and spells like Curcio and imperio should disable thor long enaugh that Avada kadavra tags him and kills him and Grindwald is very fast himself and that with his teleportation should prevent him from being tagged.

Seems like an NLF to me. Grindelwald can't overcome Mjolnir's enchantment, and Thor could use it to deflect the spells even if AK doesn't follow the same rules as Stupefy.

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#37 Edited by Eredin12 (580 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: I can say for example Fox professor x cannot control DCEU superman mind because he never controlled anyone as durable as Superman, so it is NFL, but that is just stupid, again telepathy and magic are not same as physical durability. It has nothing to do with that

"AFAIK more durable giants (and Hagrid as he's half) have no-sold single spell effects, and tanked repeated attempts."

That is becase of them having magical resistance since they are magical creatures, we have seen arrow cut giant like paper, he is not more durable than human, at least not much on another hand we have see wizards destroy very thick concrete-like paper with spells, destroy entire street, mountain( much more durable thing than any Gaiant ) , concrete is much more durable than skin of giants, but again they have magical resistance since they are magical creatures, and still no giant or large creature tanked Avada kadavra ever, only some low-level stunning curse , so Avada Kadavra works against them but most wizards don't use Unforgivable Curses, Agin Thor cannot block Avada Kadavra with hammer , Avada Kadavra can be blocked by objects that are true but only if it hits something like a statue, table but if it hammer that you hold it will kill you, for example your cloths do not protect you from spell it spredy over your entire body and kills you, if it hit mjolnir it would spread over and touch Thor's arm and he would be dead, and Grindwald can just use crucio and imperio to disable thor so that he cannot deflect it with Hammer, and Thor would not be able to tagg him becase of his speed and teleprotation

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#38 Posted by noah_ouellette (3786 posts) - - Show Bio

@arkhamasylum3: Why? It can’t pierce dragon hide. Why would it pierce an asgardian? That makes no sense.

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#40 Posted by destinyman75 (15116 posts) - - Show Bio

Look I like HP too but lol Thor is way more durable then anything in the HP U and can one shot failry easily

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#41 Edited by Rajjar (2335 posts) - - Show Bio

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@rajjar: I can say for example Fox professor x cannot control DCEU superman mind because he never controlled anyone as durable as Superman, so it is NFL, but that is just stupid, again telepathy and magic are not same as physical durability. It has nothing to do with that

"AFAIK more durable giants (and Hagrid as he's half) have no-sold single spell effects, and tanked repeated attempts."

That is becase of them having magical resistance since they are magical creatures, we have seen arrow cut giant like paper, he is not more durable than human, at least not much on another hand we have see wizards destroy very thick concrete-like paper with spells, destroy entire street, mountain( much more durable thing than any Gaiant ) , concrete is much more durable than skin of giants, but again they have magical resistance since they are magical creatures, and still no giant or large creature tanked Avada kadavra ever, only some low-level stunning curse , so Avada Kadavra works against them but most wizards don't use Unforgivable Curses, Agin Thor cannot block Avada Kadavra with hammer , Avada Kadavra can be blocked by objects that are true but only if it hits something like a statue, table but if it hammer that you hold it will kill you, for example your cloths do not protect you from spell it spredy over your entire body and kills you, if it hit mjolnir it would spread over and touch Thor's arm and he would be dead, and Grindwald can just use crucio and imperio to disable thor so that he cannot deflect it with Hammer, and Thor would not be able to tagg him becase of his speed and teleprotation

That's the thing. How is Stupefy low-level? And how does that matter? Expelliarmus was able to match Avada Kedavra, even though that might have been due to Priori Incantatem.

The reason I said NLF is because there's no proof that there is a distinction, since by your logic there is no limit to who Avada Kedavra can one-shot in any verse, b/c of slippery slope. Can it kill Galactus and LT? Mxy? TOAA? The problem with that, is that from the movies TDW to IW, Thor's uru weapons, along with his power, have no-sold, resisted, and disrupted the warping effects of something that >>>>>>>> all cinematic magic, which is the MCU Reality Stone.

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#42 Posted by CocaColaMan (524 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor throws Mjolnir at him and one shots him.

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#43 Edited by Eredin12 (580 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: "Stupefy is low level compared spell compared to Avada kadavra because Avada kadavra deals very different type of damage then Stupefy, no Giant or Dragon ever tanked Avada Kadavra and survived, only Love magic can protect you, like you said that was because of Priori Incantatem, we have seen magical shields from much weaker wizards than Voldemort and Greenwald no soled building busting attacks like nothing , those shields can easily stop Stupefy but cannot stop Avada Kadavra .

Now Avda kadavra is like telepathy if you have proof that you can tank magic like that, then you can tank it, it would not work on MXY but it would easily work on beings like MCU Thor and Hulk since they have no evidence to prove they can resist it , it is HAX, did Thanos ever snap out of existence someone as fast as DCEU superman? probably not, but can he? Yes.

"Thor's uru weapons, along with his power, have no-sold, resisted, and disrupted the warping effects of something that >>>>>>>> all cinematic magic, which is the MCU Reality Stone".

Thor's hammer never tanked any reality warping, if you mean thanos energy beam, that is just energy beam, and Like I said one Avada kadavra would easily one shoot him that is why Grindwald beats him, he does not need to destroy hammer, he only needs to kill Thor .

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#44 Edited by Eredin12 (580 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocacolaman: Grindelwald would easily react to that dodge it, block it, and one shoot him with Curse then, Hell hulk easily reacted to hammer, Somone as fast as Grindwald would easily react to that.

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#45 Posted by CocaColaMan (524 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: Grindelwald might react to it, but he couldn’t block it if he tried, Mjolnir has feats far above anything Grindelwald could pull up in the time he’d have to react to the hammer. His curse would get dodged too, as Thor would have full knowledge on him. And once Thor has Mjolnir back, he can hit Grindelwald with lightning, which GW can’t tank or dodge on his life. I’d also argue that Thor could tank anything short of the Killing Curse casually.

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@cocacolaman: Once he reacts to it he can dodge it with teleportation or block it with shield charm, shield charm from much much weaker wizards than Grindelwald easily no soled building busting attacks like nothing, Mjolnir would not break it, and he can just dodge it and cast killing curse as for dodging Grindelwald would shoot more than just one curse and overwhelm him and he would use crucio, imperio( mind manipulation already worked on thor) that would disable thor long enaugh for him to get tagged by killing curse , Grindwald can also turn him into ant and step on him once he is disabled. And thor cannot tag him with lighting because of Grindelwald insane speed and teleportation he would be to fast for Thor to tag him , like Voldemort when he fought Dumbledore he used his great speed and teleportation to constantly teleport and overwhelm Dumbledore with killing curses.

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#47 Posted by Nervedamage (862 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: I don't see why people like to lowball HP they have pretty crazy hax compared recent showings Grindwald literally sandboxes thor around until he gets bored. I don't see a contest since Thor says it himself that their magic is just insanely advance technology. If Doctor strange would have been added to the mix of all this there would be a different story but due to the sentence, Thor stated I mentioned. I'm giving it to Grindelwald. Grindelwald has the arsenal and magic to deal with Thor. He's a threat, the fact that he's given Dumbledore trouble should give people insight on how powerful and versatile he really is. He'll be able to dodge anything if he can react to it, he's good with quick casting.

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#48 Posted by CocaColaMan (524 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: Apparation was shown to be catchable bye throwing knife. Even if Grindelwald is faster than Dobby, Thor is faster than Bellatrix, so Grindelwald can’t apparate away. Please give me a single point of reference for anyone below Grindelwald even being a building buster.

Mjolnir would definitely break it. Mjolnir sent Malekith flying over a hundred feet through two stone pillars. Nothing shown by anyone less than The Big 3 compares to that.

Consider Thor’s feats. He tanked getting hit multiple times by Ultron, a robot made of vibranium. Afterwards, he survived an explosion that vaporized hundreds of thousands of tons of Sokovia and a massive fall, at least multiple miles.

Thor could block the spells with Mjolnir or just keep dodging them. They have no feats saying they are too fast for Thor.

The rest of that is just OOC, Grindelwald, nor any Wizard, would do things like this consistently.

Grindelwald cannot dodge Lightning. That is a simple fact. Lightning moves at 61 miles per second, which is enough to cross the distance between Thor and Grindelwald in a hundredth of a millisecond. Grindelwald’s less-than-bullet-timing reactions couldn’t even perceive the lightning before he was dead. Also, please tell me when Grindelwald used teleportation like Voldemort did.

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@rajjar: "Stupefy is low level compared spell compared to Avada kadavra because Avada kadavra deals very different type of damage then Stupefy, no Giant or Dragon ever tanked Avada Kadavra and survived, only Love magic can protect you, like you said that was because of Priori Incantatem, we have seen magical shields from much weaker wizards than Voldemort and Greenwald no soled building busting attacks like nothing , those shields can easily stop Stupefy but cannot stop Avada Kadavra .

Now Avda kadavra is like telepathy if you have proof that you can tank magic like that, then you can tank it, it would not work on MXY but it would easily work on beings like MCU Thor and Hulk since they have no evidence to prove they can resist it , it is HAX, did Thanos ever snap out of existence someone as fast as DCEU superman? probably not, but can he? Yes.

"Thor's uru weapons, along with his power, have no-sold, resisted, and disrupted the warping effects of something that >>>>>>>> all cinematic magic, which is the MCU Reality Stone".

Thor's hammer never tanked any reality warping, if you mean thanos energy beam, that is just energy beam, and Like I said one Avada kadavra would easily one shoot him that is why Grindwald beats him, he does not need to destroy hammer, he only needs to kill Thor .

Reality stone is reality warping bro. If Thor can disrupt the Aether, which is near galaxy level in destructive output given that Yggdrasil is literally a galaxy sized cosmic nimbus he can disrupt any magic or magic source in the HP verse. None of that magic is more powerful than any of the Infinity Stones, and uru has been resistant to the Stone's warping since it failed to work against Stormbreaker.

HP magic doesn't earn the hax bypass on this vine, especially when even giants are durable enough to resist it. Sure, giants don't have good piercing durability, but their blunt force durability is much greater than a wizard. The crux of your argument is that giants have hax durability, which isn't the case since even Hagrid has that durability from physicals alone due to his giant genes. Unless you are trying to claim hax resistance can be genetically passed on, which is the only way your argument can fit in the canon of the HP verse if you include Hagrid's feats.

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@cocacolaman: "Apparation was shown to be catchable bye throwing knife. Even if Grindelwald is faster than Dobby, Thor is faster than Bellatrix, so Grindelwald can’t apparate away. Please give me a single point of reference for anyone below Grindelwald even being a building buster."

That is stupid PIS, and it was not just some throwing knife, it was thrown by someone as fast as Bellatrix ( that proves her insane speed) and Grindwald is much faster than Dobby it is not even funny, he is speedster compared to him, and as for how fast is teleportation, well fast enough to easily dodge spells which are much faster than Thor Mjolnir Throws , fast enaugh to easily dodge Bloodlusted Obscura at full speed after attacks start and that was like at meter range, same obscure that is as fast as explosion here is link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoiDp5echjg&feature=youtu.be same Obscura that was attacking at insane speeds, faster than any Thors hammer throw, much much faster.

"Please give me a single point of reference for anyone below Grindelwald even being a building buster"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSWZ824SE1w

Here Credicne destroys large part of moutnian with ease, this was his first spell done without any training and improving, so this is much above building busting, he is weaker then Grindelwald, Grindelwald is most powerful dark wizard ever with Voldemort, JKR herself said that and Credence was dark wizard so that applies to him as well and he destroyed building like nothing on this scene shield that some no-name wizard created( who is much much weaker than Greenwald) easily no sold those attacks.

Peter Pettigrew used the expression to easily destroy the entire street and turn 12 muggles to ashes with an explosion, he is much much weaker than both of them and this was much above building level

"Mjolnir would definitely break it. Mjolnir sent Malekith flying over a hundred feet through two stone pillars. Nothing shown by anyone less than The Big 3 compares to that."

No selling building busting attacks ( that was done by much much weaker wizard) is easily better than that so no Mjolnir cannot break it

"Thor could block the spells with Mjolnir or just keep dodging them. They have no feats saying they are too fast for Thor."

Oh, you will play this game in character, I can do that too, when did Thor doge in character anything? When did Thor attack instantly, he only blocked things with a hammer. Again one Avada kadavra and it is over, he tries to block it with hammer spell hit hammer and spreads over his entire body and kills him , Thor can feel pain crucio and is over, Thor was proved to be weak against mind control, Imperio and it is over he can not dodge or deflect crucio and Imperio since they are invisible and have no projectile so they cannot be dodged, thor cannot dodge them they are also to fast for him, we have seen Credence spell move kilometers in seconds that prove how fast they are, and spells easily blitzed Umbridge, same Umbridge that is effortless arrow timer, so that proves spells are much faster than that since they blitzed her. Thor was blitzed by bullets he is not dodging this

"the rest of that is just OOC, Grindelwald, nor any Wizard, would do things like this consistently."

I don't see Thor killing a human being in character, we assume he will. Yes they would do this in character, Greenwald used teleportation and shield charm in character all the time so did Voldemort and Gridnwadl never fought anyone like Thor so you don't know how would he act, he would not treat him like some low-level wizard and he has full knowledge."

"Grindelwald cannot dodge Lightning. That is a simple fact. Lightning moves at 61 miles per second, which is enough to cross the distance between Thor and Grindelwald in a hundredth of a millisecond. Grindelwald’s less-than-bullet-timing reactions couldn’t even perceive the lightning before he was dead. Also, please tell me when Grindelwald used teleportation like Voldemort did."

Grindelwald is easy a bullet timer, he was just never attacked with a bullet specifically but with spells, but my point is he does not need to dodge lighting, he needs to use his teleportation and speed to make it impossible for Thor to hit him, He needs to be to fast for Thor to hit him not faster than lighting.

"Also, please tell me when Grindelwald used teleportation like Voldemort did."

He used it in combat to dodge fast attacks but he never fought anyone like Thor so he will sue it here and he has full knowledge so yes he will use it he is not an idiot but genius, and for now there will be much more moves, for now, he never needed to do it like Voldemort , he sure as hell did that against Dumbledore because Dumbledore used teleportation and speed very often in his duels so Grindwald needed to do that to match him, but for now in films he just fought some low-level duelist compared to him, he stomped them with one curse or he held back and did not want to hurt them so there was no need for him to do that, he never fought someone like Thor and Thor does not dodge in character either.

So again Grindelwald wins