Since this fight might be happening soon I figured it could be fun to speculate...
Who wins and why?
@jashro44: With out the Mental powers the Grendel takes this from what I've seen of the Shadow. The Grendel's speed is insane and his agility is superhuman. He killed 20+ men before they could draw their guns. He fights a supernaturally fast and stronger were-wolf on a regular basis and embarrasses him.
Shadow also guns down up to 10 men at a time before they can react. However they may do to his Precog and Soul Reading.
But it's one thing to gun down 10 guys before they react, another to kill 20 with a hand weapon before they react.
I don't know much about the Shadow in terms of feats so I'm not judging though. I'll take a look at his respect thread tomorrow and chime back in then.
By no means is Shadow Super Human fast. He does kill men, who are war harden veterans and know how to react and shoot, before they make a move.
He also has fought foes like The Light and Black Sparrow on even terms even though his pwers were not working. Both of them are insane fast in reaction and combat speed.
He is pretty good.
Grendel volley's bullets with ease and has done so. How does the shadow deal with Melee? Let it be said that the Grendel is not only willing to kill but prefers it.
Thats cool. The Light also deflects hails of bullets with her swords.
The Shadow face The Light. The Light is a highly train from a young age woman in the ways of God and Divine Justice. She is extremely fast and a master swordsman.
The Shadow second fight against the light. This time with a plan.
Both Examples of the super reaction, skill, and speed of Light. Shadow handles her pretty well and knows enough to stay away. This is all raw skill as well since Light is immune to Shadows
Add to this how can Grendel counter Shadow's Cloud Minds, Soul Reading, and Precog? This would add to Shadows ability to Misdirect Grendel and predict the entire battle, staying one step ahead.
This is a form of precognition. Simple as that. He is a servant of Justice, but this Justice is all due to Fate. Fate grants him visions of key events, and the ability after looking into someones heart the glimpses of their futures. Sometimes for Plot, Fate grants nothing, which The Shadow searches out why, and always never grants him the full story or info to accomplish a task. However he does use this to see others futures and predict people's action in a fight. This ability is use as a Line of sight power, like Reading the Hearts of Men. It also may tell him of a opponents next action, but it is up to the Shadow to react to said action.
1) Key explanation on the Shadow's precog abilities. He cannot fathom all possible endings, only the key ones that matter in his fights.
2) Starts speaking of Margo's future in casual talk.
3-6) Shadow uses his Precog to see the fate of one of his worst enemies, knowing Justice was served.
7) Uses Precog to predict the mans actions and intent.
8-9) Uses his power to glimpse what had happen already rather than what will happen. He can see what has happen as well it seems.
10) Shadow foresees World War 2 and the Nazi Regime.
All this is instant. He can look at Grendel and see what Fate has for this match up.
This is a very confusing and unique power. Sort of like Telepathy, however has nothing to do with Mind Control or Reading. It is more Soul Reading and Control. Its a mystic power that The Shadow uses to deal out justice. This power seems to require Line of Sight to work. Add to that some people remain immune to it if they are Mystics, Souless, or protected by Fate. This power also seems to manipulate the Dead and dying into carrying out orders or stay alive till he is through with them.
1) Explains how this power works. Its like a Road Map with all the tour spots listed. In this scan the Black Sparrow is immune to his Mystic powers for unexplained reasons.
2) Spots the evil soul of a target. He had no clue who he was looking for till he spot the Soul which revealed all it needed for Shadow to find who he was looking for.
3) Uses this power to know if man is lying or telling truth. He does this alot in other scans as well.
4-5) Mentally suggests to Nazi to see the evil had had done.
He can tell what Grendel will do before he does it as long he can see Grendel.
The Shadow uses his ability to Mystically Misdirect foes to accomplish goals. Only the Mystically powered, or those protected by Fate are immune. Extreme Will foes can resist it to a degree, but they are still shown to be affected by it in some way, including other Heroes like the Green Hornet and his side kick Kato.
1) Misdirects Assassins to think he was a painting.
2) Misdirects a whole Dock Yard to board a ship.
3) Misdirects a small Japanese and Chinese army to get to the Buffalo.
4) Misdirects multiple people firing at him.
@indiecomicsftw: OK, here's some scans of Hunter Rose. Unless I say otherwise, assume they're in backwards order, sorry.
First is the Batman/Grendel crossover, which is usually considered to be canon for Grendel and not for Batman for various complicated reasons...basically the episode has been referenced in later Grendel comics.
Grendel sneaks up on Batman without Batman realizing it, and kicks him off a balcony. "Didn't hear a thing until it was too late. My foe is sleek." (Images are in order!):
Grendel cuts down a dozen cops who are encircling him at point blank range before they can fire (reverse order)
Their first encounter (in order!). He reacts to Batman's surprise silent attack from behind by rolling and kicking Batman out of the way before Batman can get him. Batman remarks that "He's lightning fast." Then Grendel leaves to further his overall strategy of playing tricks on Batman.
Their second encounter (in order!). Once again Batman tries a surprise, silent attack from behind, and again it doesn't work--Grendel slashes him seriously in the side. After some running around (Grendel is playing some characters off each other in a hostage game at this point), they melee. Both get in several hits, and although you don't see it, Batman breaks Grendel's arm (this is confirmed later). Batman finally knocks him down and takes off his mask, but he's got make-up underneath. With Batman surprised, Grendel manages to burn Batman's hand, but they separate and the fight is unresolved.
A few random shots from a fight with his werewolf nemesis, Argent. Note that even while facing him--the enemy who gives him his greatest challenge--he has the wherewithal to casually throw a knife at a cop off to his side. Unfortunately, most Grendel stories are told as short stories, so most of his many fights with Argent (who is superhumanly fast to the degree that others can only see a blur of movement when he runs, and is also probably around a 1-tonner) are not shown from beginning to end, they're sort of just vignettes.
Dodging bullets (reverse order)
Fighting Argent on two more occasions, note agility (reverse order)
He's almost always perfect at anything...but at one point when he's being invisibly stalked by a demon who creates a sort of supernatural fear in him, he is unusually off his game, to the degree that when he casually throws 3 darts at once, he's stunned that only 2 hit the bullseye.
Fighting zombies, which is so easy that he calls it boring and self-indulgent. (Images in order!)
various "jumping amongst the skyline" scenes
Slaughtering some Korean martial arts expert mobsters, note that he breaks a guy's sword with his fork then uses the fork to throw the sword at another guy (reverse order)
deflects a bullet back at the shooter, intentionally hitting her in the eye to make a mark similar to his mask (reverse order)
the front and back of his fork (which can be electrically charged) can be shot out on a cable and later retracted (these are especially out of order--read the first scene as image 4, then image 1; read the second scene as image 3, then image 2)
Even as a child, he could hit a fencing ball without missing, for hours, using either hand:
Got second place in the world fencing championships at 15, only because he realized he was so much better than his opponent that he threw the match
Dodging bullets, then killing the mob's top hitman (reverse order)
Intentionally cuts only the fingers off the hand of a guy who's holding a gun, so he drops it
lifts a fat guy with one arm (this is pointed out as a feat of strength by a cop later on)
Spears a falling cigarette before it hits the ground in one instance, and spears a cigarette out of a guy's mouth in another
This is just a couple pages from a detailed description of how he has his minions kill all the other crime bosses on the east coast coast in one day. It's not totally pertinent here, but I saw the Shadow did something similar, although the Shadow killed all his guys himself. Just an amusing symmetry. (reverse order)
Careening around on a speeding car
Cuts off a guy's head, which doesn't fall off until later (he does this to a few people)
Another scene of dodging bullets. Everyone dodges bullets in comics, I mostly want to get across his graceful, agile fighting style
And this is where he kills a room of mobsters before they can barely move, as described in detail. This is pieced together from multiple pages, so you may want to zoom in. (reverse order)
Anyway I don't see any of this changing my breakdown from a few posts ago, I just wanted to back up my statements.
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