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#1 Posted by vasu12360 (348 posts) - - Show Bio

both have 2 week prep

no outside help

both having standard gear

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#2 Edited by FirestormFate1919 (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow wins. He is a FAR better combatant, and has more impressive marksmenship feats. The trick Arrows are about even.

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#3 Posted by kfabz-23 (6135 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow beats him H2H and archery.

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#4 Posted by Toy13 (187 posts) - - Show Bio

Ask again in a couple months. Right now I have to give it to Arrow simply because Hawkeye doesn't have enough feats.

You also need more details. In character? Hawkeye gains an edge for indifference to taking random lives. Location? Close quarters or lots of cover helps Arrow who actually has stealth and h2h feats, wide open range may help Hawkeye. Etc, etc.

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#5 Posted by Stormdriven (17978 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver isn't a better archer

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#6 Edited by deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d (3679 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye made an arrow go round the Shield HQ by measuring the air resistance/pressure. He shot an arrow that went right through a plug as well. He's the better archer. As an overall fighter, I'd give it to Ollie though.

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#7 Posted by RisingBean (9821 posts) - - Show Bio

Ollie would have to either use his prep to be able to lure Clint into an ambush or hand to hand range, otherwise he fails his city.

Ollie wins a hand to hand encounter, Clint devastates Ollie in ranged combat.

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#8 Posted by Heatblaze (10400 posts) - - Show Bio

BUMP!

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#9 Posted by nfactor1995 (13003 posts) - - Show Bio

If they stay ranged, Hawkeye stomps. Close quarters Arrow stomps.

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#10 Posted by deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d (3679 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow wins.

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#11 Posted by RBT (29312 posts) - - Show Bio

If they stay ranged, Hawkeye stomps. Close quarters Arrow stomps.

How exactly does Hawkeye stomp? Oliver casually dodges arrows.

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#12 Posted by Toy13 (187 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: does he casually dodge 30+ foot diameter explosions? How about bullets, does he casually dodge those as well? At range Hawkeye absolutely takes it.

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#13 Edited by RBT (29312 posts) - - Show Bio

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@rbt: does he casually dodge 30+ foot diameter explosions? How about bullets, does he casually dodge those as well? At range Hawkeye absolutely takes it.

So, you're assuming that Clint would open the fight with an explosive arrow? There are two problems with this. If they do decide to kill just as fight begins, Clint would have an arrow in his eyes before he can even take out an arrow and load it. Oliver's draw speed is ridiculous. This should give you an idea-

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They were standing barely standing 25ft away and Oliver was able to load an arrow and shoot the grenade out of air before it was halfway through.

That was first. Second, Clint is not a very tactical fighter. Or a very good observer. He aimed Loki's eye with an explosive arrow. Know what would happen if he did same to Oliver? Oliver would simply dodge it and the explosive arrow would explode harmlessly a few hundred feet behind him. Oliver does not go for catching arrows. He dodges it. Heck, he has pulled the same move Clint pulled on Loki, on Merlyn. He's not falling for that. Or he can simply shoot the explosive arrow out of the air with an arrow of his own. Also, Oliver does aim dodge bullets. Not sure why its relevant in this fight though.

Oliver is not loosing to Clint, no matter what the starting distance is.

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#14 Posted by Terminator2938 (329 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never found either particularly impressive but I'll give it to arrow on feats.

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#15 Posted by nfactor1995 (13003 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Hawkeye has pretty perfect aim long distance so why not just shoot four explosive arrows surrounding Oliver so he is surrounded by explosions that he can't avoid?

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#16 Posted by RBT (29312 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Hawkeye has pretty perfect aim long distance so why not just shoot four explosive arrows surrounding Oliver so he is surrounded by explosions that he can't avoid?

And he'll do all that before Ollie shoots one in his eyes or just one through his arm? Read my last post. Clint's draw speed is no where near Oliver's. He won't be able to shoot one arrow before Oliver, let alone four.

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#17 Posted by nfactor1995 (13003 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: I'm assuming there is cover in between them? The OP does not state a starting distance so I'm assuming they are least maybe 30-40 yards away from each other with cover in between considering this is a fight between two characters with range weapons.

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#18 Posted by RBT (29312 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: I'm assuming there is cover in between them? The OP does not state a starting distance so I'm assuming they are least maybe 30-40 yards away from each other with cover in between considering this is a fight between two characters with range weapons.

They start 20ft away according to official rules.

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#19 Posted by nfactor1995 (13003 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Oh. Well in that case Arrow wins. I wish they showcased Hawkeye a bit more to make this a better fight because I think he can do more than everyone here thinks, he just hasn't had the opportunity to do anything of note.

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#20 Posted by RBT (29312 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Oh. Well in that case Arrow wins. I wish they showcased Hawkeye a bit more to make this a better fight because I think he can do more than everyone here thinks, he just hasn't had the opportunity to do anything of note.

I actually liked that they focused on Hawkeye in AoU. Maybe if he ever gets a solo or team up movie with Widow.

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#21 Posted by poeticwarrior (3526 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye got beat by a woman in a catsuit. Green Arrow wins effortlessly.

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#22 Posted by AbramDaAwesome (246 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow effortlessly

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#23 Posted by tremble_in_fear (238 posts) - - Show Bio

Clint wins because his trick arrows are better.

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#24 Posted by jayc1324 (26432 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Oliver is not infallible. He has actually been shot with arrows before. He should still win, but I'm saying that its not impossible for Hawkeye to hit him.

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#25 Posted by RBT (29312 posts) - - Show Bio

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@rbt: Oliver is not infallible. He has actually been shot with arrows before. He should still win, but I'm saying that its not impossible for Hawkeye to hit him.

Rarely. And most of the time(if not all) he's been shot from his blind side. Merlyn tagged him from behind. Thea tagged him from his side. Komodo tagged him because Oliver was on bike and couldn't dodge properly. I don't remember him ever getting tagged when he has had room to move. I might be forgetting an instance or two, but that wouldn't change the fact that Oliver dodges over 90% of arrows shot at him. Hawkeye has never faced someone with such reflexes. Heck, Natasha was able to aim dodge him, means his aim is not as good as people make it out to be. At least not in a close combat.

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#26 Posted by Jueix (2562 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow wins.

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#27 Posted by gokuss4z (3423 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver medium to low difficulty.

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#28 Posted by Heatblaze (10400 posts) - - Show Bio

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#30 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

green arrow wins easily .

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#31 Posted by blackpantherisb (7340 posts) - - Show Bio

If it was long range Clint but because it is so close up I give it to Ollie

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#32 Posted by jashro44 (53880 posts) - - Show Bio

Green arrow regardless of distance.

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#33 Posted by TheSuperor (6944 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver is way superior in CQC and a by now he is a better archer as well. Oliver takes it regardless of distance

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#34 Posted by Subline (8805 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver is way superior in CQC and a by now he is a better archer as well. Oliver takes it regardless of distance

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#35 Posted by TheSuperor (6944 posts) - - Show Bio

@subline: Cool gif and I'm sure most are aware of the feats in the videos. Don't get why you responded to my message with them though. Clint didn't do anything there Oliver can't do or already has outdone

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#36 Posted by BladeOfFury (3312 posts) - - Show Bio
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#37 Posted by deactivated-5c6891767abb2 (1820 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow wrecks not even funny

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#38 Edited by deactivated-5c15205dbdcac (503 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow fan boy ^^^^^^^^^^

Clint is a better marksman but oliver is a little bit better in h2h

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#39 Posted by RBT (29312 posts) - - Show Bio

Green arrow regardless of distance.

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#40 Posted by deactivated-5bf470b432518 (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

@bpg said:

Arrow fan boy ^^^^^^^^^^

Clint is a better marksman but oliver is a little bit better in h2h

Can he draw before getting an Arrow in his eyes though.

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#41 Posted by ANTHP2000 (28769 posts) - - Show Bio

Clint, comfortably. Superior in just about every way.

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#42 Posted by deactivated-5bf470b432518 (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

Clint, comfortably. Superior in just about every way.

Clint isn't faster than Oliver. Clint's a better marksman for sure but Oliver can catch his Arrow's and hit Clint with one before the guy can draw.

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#43 Posted by IndomitableRegal (16601 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver wins. In terms of archery/marksmanship, I believe Clint has the better array of arrows (not by much), but 2 weeks prep is probably gonna negate that advantage, and at this point I would argue Ollie is quicker on the draw and just as accurate (if not moreso). Plus he's shown many feats of catching, dodging, and deflecting arrows. If it comes down to H2H, Ollie wrecks.

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#44 Edited by pastepotpete1 (3456 posts) - - Show Bio

i think the cw green arrow wins because he fights guys with guns on a daily basis and there is a old saying dont bring a knife to a gun fight well brining a bow and arrow to a gun fight is very silly even if its a cross bow that fires mutiple rounds

even if clint is a better archer cw arrow will close the distance and beat clint up

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#45 Edited by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't think of any advantage Clint has on Olliver

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#46 Edited by ANTHP2000 (28769 posts) - - Show Bio

Clint is, again, superior in every way.

edit: KOL's bait is GOAT.

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#47 Posted by deactivated-5c6891767abb2 (1820 posts) - - Show Bio

Clint, comfortably. Superior in just about every way.

Are u serious ?

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#48 Posted by deactivated-5c6891767abb2 (1820 posts) - - Show Bio

Ollie would have to either use his prep to be able to lure Clint into an ambush or hand to hand range, otherwise he fails his city.

Ollie wins a hand to hand encounter, Clint devastates Ollie in ranged combat.

now Ollie is good at range and has great arrow too.

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#49 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio
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#50 Posted by maestromage (1489 posts) - - Show Bio

With prep, Ollie just uses stealth, rolls up on Clint and drops him in h2h.