Green Arrow (Arrowverse) vs Black Widow (MCU)

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The Green Arrow/Oliver Queen

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Black Widow/Natasha Romanoff

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Setup:

  • Green Arrow has current standard gear and morals.
  • Black Widow has current standard gear and morals.
  • Fight starts with the opponents facing each other.
  • Opponents start 300 feet away.

Location: The Hive (Resident Evil)

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Green Arrow.

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Ollie takes it in a decent fight.

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Ends in the bedroom

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Does Widow have a gun? If so, she probably wins considering she won't miss her shots like everyone in Arrow does. If she doesn't have one, then Oliver wins due to gear.

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#6  Edited By db_king
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@db_king: Deadshot is a long range sniper type shooter, he never displayed any great short range shooting ability. Oliver can't dodge bullets. Floyd didn't tag him. Conclusion: Floyd just missed.

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I think Widow due to her gear. Without it, Oliver would win.

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I think Widow due to her gear. Without it, Oliver would win.

Agreed

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@allstarsuperman: In all honesty, in terms of H2H skills Widow isn't amazingly impressive. Characters like Mockingbird or May would be a closer match for Ollie in a pure H2H fight (though I think he still would win).

Her gear though is just to good. Hahaha she's packing Stark Tech, it lets her hang.

I can't imagine the threat Oliver would be if he had access to Widow/Hawkeye's gear.

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@allstarsuperman: In all honesty, in terms of H2H skills Widow isn't amazingly impressive.

Well, I just don't agree. She has fodderized soldiers while tied to a chair, that showed great skill. Her best pure H2H feat is beating Hawkeye, which is impressive as hell considering the context. Hawkeye was decked out in gear, while Widow was weaponless, previously took an explosion, a fall, debris crushing her leg, and a smack from the Hulk. Add this to the fact that Hawkeye was bloodlusted and she was pretty massively holding back. Not any live action characters could replicate this feat. Sure, argue all you want about Hawkeye not having many feats, but that doesn't change the fact that he is one of the highest ranking Shield agents and he is skilled enough to tear through superhuman Chitauri and Ultron Bots.

Characters like Mockingbird or May would be a closer match for Ollie in a pure H2H fight (though I think he still would win).

Don't agree at all. There has to be a reason for Black Widow being above them, not to mention she is clearly very respected among Shield Agents. Sure, you can post feats of either of those AoS going toe to toe with superhumans, but it's not like Widow hasn't done the same. Only difference is that Widow has the gear to win the fight, the AoS usually don't. I haven't watched any season 3 AoS yet, so keep that in mind.

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@nfactor1995: Oh is that why he carried two pistols one silenced and hand mounted machine gun. Because he's unskilled at close range? He shot ollies arrows out of the sky plenty skillful to me.

Right batman dodge bullets batman doesn't get shot while using ninja maneuvers conclusion everyone who has ever shot at batman is a worst shot than the people who killes his parents. Gotta love the internet. God bless.

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@db_king: Deadshot never shot arrows out of the air.

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#15  Edited By nickzambuto

@allstarsuperman: Isn't there some AoS character who's famous for "almost" beating Hawkeye once? So even though it's off screen, that goes to show how elite Clint is, and by extension how top tier Black Widow is.

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Black Widow has unique gear, mostly formed to her fitting and style. She's quick and stealthy, and trained since teenage years to be a deadly assassin. But her hand-to-hand skills wasn't the deciding factor as to why she's part of the Avengers, or how high her Level Clearance is. It has to do with everything, especially what she's been through and how she survived.

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Oliver. I think the last episode just turned him back into al-sah-him.

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@nickzambuto: Yeah, I cant recall his name, it was wierd. He was Russian or something and he used a chain blade like Nobu.

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#20  Edited By AllStarSuperman

@nickzambuto: Here it is.

https://youtu.be/dqzWLdlbVwk

8:25, Melinda is practically untouched among her AoS team, so it makes this feat very impressive. Her avoidence makes Daredevil look like a total fool.

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@spector_rand said:

@allstarsuperman: In all honesty, in terms of H2H skills Widow isn't amazingly impressive.

Well, I just don't agree. She has fodderized soldiers while tied to a chair, that showed great skill. Her best pure H2H feat is beating Hawkeye, which is impressive as hell considering the context. Hawkeye was decked out in gear, while Widow was weaponless, previously took an explosion, a fall, debris crushing her leg, and a smack from the Hulk. Add this to the fact that Hawkeye was bloodlusted and she was pretty massively holding back. Not any live action characters could replicate this feat. Sure, argue all you want about Hawkeye not having many feats, but that doesn't change the fact that he is one of the highest ranking Shield agents and he is skilled enough to tear through superhuman Chitauri and Ultron Bots.

Characters like Mockingbird or May would be a closer match for Ollie in a pure H2H fight (though I think he still would win).

Don't agree at all. There has to be a reason for Black Widow being above them, not to mention she is clearly very respected among Shield Agents. Sure, you can post feats of either of those AoS going toe to toe with superhumans, but it's not like Widow hasn't done the same. Only difference is that Widow has the gear to win the fight, the AoS usually don't. I haven't watched any season 3 AoS yet, so keep that in mind.

Possibly.

However, you can't think character A would beat character B based on their place in the organisation.

Widow and Hawkeye could have the clearance levels they do due to a number of reasons (who brought them up, how they handle sensitive issues, morals etc). It's not a a guarantee of their skill. Based on feats, which are comparable between the shield characters, Mockingbird at least would beat her, especially with her new gear.

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@db_king: He is featless there. Up close, he's just another guy. From distance he's practically perfect, but that does not necessarily translate to his up close gun skills. Though I don't know the point of your post...are you trying to insinuate that Oliver can dodge bullets? 'Cause that's just not the case.

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Oliver stomps. Not even close.

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Oliver should win after a decent fight

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Oliver should win after a decent fight

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Ollie wins more often then not, but Widow does take a win or two.

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She shoots him

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Ollie wins pretty handily.

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It wouldn't matter if she can crochet an afghan with her tongue. Oliver Queen could do it better, I'm quite sure.

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@nickzambuto: Is that sarcasm or were you being serious?

About Hawkeye? No I was serious. People are always downplaying Widow because her only victory against non-canon fodder is Hawkeye, and he's featless in H2H. However if I'm understanding things correctly (as you know I don't watch AoS) one of the main characters in that show is famous in the organization for almost beating Hawkeye... but failing anyway. So that right there is a feat for Clint.

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Oliver after a good fight.

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I'll concede to Arrow outskilling Widow as of now but Widow is still more physically impressive.

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@nickzambuto: That's not a main character, that was a one episode villain in Season 2 who "almost killed Clint a few years back"

May kicked his ass later on in that episode, and I'd say Mockingbird is a better fighter then May, so that's two I think could beat Widow in H2H

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Going for Widow due to gear, H2H Ollie.

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@nickzambuto: That's not a main character, that was a one episode villain in Season 2 who "almost killed Clint a few years back"

May kicked his ass later on in that episode, and I'd say Mockingbird is a better fighter then May, so that's two I think could beat Widow in H2H

Damn, looks like Hawkeye can't catch a break.

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@lvenger said:

I'll concede to Arrow outskilling Widow as of now but Widow is still more physically impressive.

What makes you say she is more impressive physically?

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@jashro44 said:
@lvenger said:

I'll concede to Arrow outskilling Widow as of now but Widow is still more physically impressive.

What makes you say she is more impressive physically?

She fodderized ultron bots /sarcasm

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Bump. The civil war is over.

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I doubt she even did anything in CW.....probably just the typical fight fodder.

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I doubt she even did anything in CW.....probably just the typical fight fodder.

Basically. She got a cool ranged ability with her stingers though.

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@allstarsuperman: She fodderized Black Panther and threatened to murder his family

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#45  Edited By Spector_Rand

@allstarsuperman: She fodderized Black Panther and threatened to murder his family

It was also revealed she physically overpowered and dominated the Hulk.

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@spector_rand: If it's just electric blasts she had that in the mcu tie in comics.

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@allstarsuperman: She didn't do anything out of the norm. Hawkeye however held his own against Panther. Most of it was off panel but there was a moment where Clint had T'Challa in a choke hold from behind. Window was also about to stomp Clint until Wanda the bitch interfered.

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Pretty close fight, no one's stomping. Unarmed I'd probably lean towards Ollie. But there have gear, so it could go either way. Widow's carried a greater variety of weapons as standard gear, could help her take a win. Depends on what gear she has here

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Widow's got some nice feats from the tie in comics