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#1 Posted by lubub55 (12982 posts) - - Show Bio

John Wick

John Wick
John Wick

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Grant Ward

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Rules:

  • Random encounter
  • No prior knowledge
  • In character
  • Standard equipment
  • Winner is by death, KO or incapacitation
  • Canon versions

Location:

Fighters start on opposite sides of this location
Fighters start on opposite sides of this location

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#3 Posted by AngelJax (11815 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward

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#4 Posted by TonyMartial (9894 posts) - - Show Bio

John Wick

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#5 Posted by assemblesquad (3043 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward beats him in h2h and Wick shoots him in a gunfight.

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#6 Posted by rogueshadow (29434 posts) - - Show Bio

Wick's cooler. Ward tries to put his head through a table but disintegrates in Wick's presence.

Deal with it @the_magister

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#7 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1133 posts) - - Show Bio

Wick probably wins this

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#8 Edited by The_Magister (14487 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward.

I think Wick's method is a bit reckless, which might work against mafiosos but will get him killed against a top-tier HYDRA operative.

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#9 Posted by geekryan (5125 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward.

I think Wick's method is a bit reckless, which might work against mafiosos but will get him killed against a top-tier HYDRA operative.

@rogueshadow But the table is omnipotent, man

Interesting outlook.

I'd give this to Wick for a majority in a straight up gun fight. But Ward dominates in CQC.

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#10 Edited by The_Magister (14487 posts) - - Show Bio

@geekryan said:
@the_magister said:

Ward.

I think Wick's method is a bit reckless, which might work against mafiosos but will get him killed against a top-tier HYDRA operative.

@rogueshadow But the table is omnipotent, man

Interesting outlook.

I'd give this to Wick for a majority in a straight up gun fight. But Ward dominates in CQC.

Yeah I think Wick is just as quick thinking in a gunfight, really skilled at using his environment, etc. But if you actually look at how he goes about it, it is extremely reckless and basically relies on him beating his adversaries to the draw on the spot. I'm not sure that would hold up well against Ward, who is extremely polished and disciplined.

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#11 Edited by AllStarSuperman (43458 posts) - - Show Bio

If anyone is the man it’s Lubub. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve searched for this battle, and just have been to lazy to make it.

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#12 Edited by The_Magister (14487 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

If anyone is the man it’s Lubub. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve searched for this battle, and just have been to lazy to make it.

Lol I've had that moment so many times. Like "eh do I really wanna go through the trouble of typing out a scenario? Ugggh..."

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#13 Posted by AllStarSuperman (43458 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_magister: and then get shit for posting in your own thread? Yeah I know the feeling, and a certain mod likes to lock my threads any chance he gets.

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#14 Posted by IndomitableRegal (16645 posts) - - Show Bio

Wick might win in a firefight, but Ward definitely takes a H2H encounter.

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#16 Posted by CRUSHYOURENEMIES (2588 posts) - - Show Bio
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#20 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5678 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward, he has a more versatile skill set and better stats except for maybe pain tolerance.

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#21 Posted by lubub55 (12982 posts) - - Show Bio

@crushyourenemies: How is this spite in any way?

That user is just salty about being thoroughly beaten by me here and now just tries to get every thread I make locked rather than responding on the thread. Bare in mind that this is the same person who made both "John Wick vs Black Widow & Hawkeye" and "John Wick vs Three Punishers" so it's no surprise they think it's a mismatch.

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#22 Edited by AngelJax (11815 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_magister: Not the biggest expert on Wick. I remember him having inhuman endurance. But as for his other stats, I can't tell you off the top of my head unfortunately.

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#23 Posted by ANTHP2000 (28830 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward and easily.

He's better in every way.

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#25 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward and easily.

He's better in every way.

He's better in almost every way*, he isn't beating Wick in accuracy.

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#26 Posted by lubub55 (12982 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#27 Posted by dami24434 (4471 posts) - - Show Bio

ward fodderises wick. different tier here

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#28 Edited by Daisy_Johnson (1344 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward is waaaaay cooler, but lets face it. It's John fucking Wick. One shot, one kill. BANG into the cranium. A clean 360 no scope headshot with his eyes closed. Also "Standard equipment" means Wick has his semi-auto AR going click-click-click for a cap in the knee, the chest, and the head with no aiming.

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#29 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (17198 posts) - - Show Bio

H2H Ward stomps but this is gun play.....Wick has more consistent feats of pure badassery with a pistol than Ward has with any firearm he's ever used

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#31 Posted by ANTHP2000 (28830 posts) - - Show Bio

@all-father: @the_magister:

Just saw those tags for whatever reason.

Ward has made shots from thousands of yards away (by statements) IIRC. He's definitely more accurate/the better sniper.

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#32 Edited by The_Magister (14487 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Ward's the better sniper and sharpshooter, yes...for sure.

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#33 Edited by ANTHP2000 (28830 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_magister:

Ward shot 2 guys with 1 gun in less than a second and it litteraly looked as if he was wielding 2 guns - it was as simultnaeous as one can possibly get.

Most of Wick's feats are basically identical to Ward's hallway showing with the ICERs, but Ward has even better showings than that.

And by direct statements as well as Rosalind's assassination, I don't think I've seen anyone as good of a sniper in live action besides DCEU Deadshot and Hawkeye.

EDIT: And it's worth noting that Ward has vastly superior reflex/reaction showings, which is crucial in a marksmanship battle.

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#34 Posted by buildhare (8761 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward would wreck him in a fist fight but Wick is about as no bullshit as it gets, unless Ward has some absolutely amazing speed feats I'm missing I see no reason Wick can't win in the initial exchange.

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#35 Posted by GeorgeWBush (12512 posts) - - Show Bio

Grants a better fighter but I feel like Wick gets underrated. He did well against Cassian and Ares I. A fight, and he’s durable enough to take a ton of punishment before he loses.

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#36 Edited by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (12149 posts) - - Show Bio

Standard Gear? Ward gets three holes in his face, eventually. Though, Ward isn't like those fodders Wick took down, he's a highly trained Shield operative, presumably one of the best (prior to the whole Hydra situation). Pure H2H? Wick goes down hard, in a mismatch.

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#37 Posted by HeroUp2112 (18375 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward goes down before long. Wick's aim is almost super human, even while ducking and THROUGH cover. Yeah, if it was hand to hand Wick loses.

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#38 Edited by Paytience (5160 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol...Ward has 2 shots that were a mile and a half or more. Wick is not more accurate than Ward. Ward took a bullet without flinching amd continued talking. Wick is not tougher than him. Ward took a direct hit from a multi tonner and stayed standing. Wick is not more durable. Ward dropped 7 people in 2 seconds with pistols and a dozen on under 4...Wick is not faster than him. Ward has legot beat superhumans h2h and has demonstrated comparable or better grappling than Wick...at this point, you could honestly call this spite.

We could shoot through scenarios where Wick wins...but under most scenarios, Ward is taking a majority.

I love Wick. Hes ridiculously good...Ward however, is ridiculously unreal.

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#39 Edited by Paytience (5160 posts) - - Show Bio

@heroup2112: Ward has literally shot trigger fingers off while under fire and ducking around cover.

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#41 Posted by lubub55 (12982 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#43 Edited by The_Magister (14487 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: @paytience: You guys are right. Ward is more accurate and quicker on the draw.

I don't see a way for Wick to win this. And he'd better pray to every god there is that this doesn't get to CQC range.

That being said, Wick is cool as hell. Super badass.

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#44 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward wins.

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#45 Posted by Jack_Hart (959 posts) - - Show Bio

Ward. Given the location and their respective starting points, this is going to end being more of a search-and-destroy scenario rather a pure shootout, which plays more to Ward's strengths. He uses stealth and cover to get the drop on Wick, who has rather poor situational awareness. Even if Wick does see Ward coming he's not going to be gunning him down quite as easily as he does the mooks in his films, and it's eventually going to end up in CQC just like any encounter he has with anyone decently skilled, and Ward will stomp his ass there.

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#46 Posted by Sawed_Off_It (13428 posts) - - Show Bio

This is tough.

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#48 Posted by Jack_Hart (959 posts) - - Show Bio

@jack_hart said:

He uses stealth and cover to get the drop on Wick, who has rather poor situational awareness.

You think so?

Dude gets ambushed and caught off guard multiple times over the course of two films.

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#49 Posted by Avatar_of_Gaea (573 posts) - - Show Bio

Standard equipment means Wick has his bulletproof suit, so if it comes down to a shoot out Wick should take the W mid difficulty. If it's gets to CQC then Ward high difficulty.