@riddlerfan77:
Based off accolades, yes they are as skilled as the shield agents. Neither have significant feats, just statements. Both are high tier fodder well above regular street thugs. The problem with the start of your argument is that it starts with assuming that shield agents must be more skilled because they come from the MCU, the ninjas come from the Nolanverse. The ninjas too were wearing protection from head to toe but unlike the shield agents, were armed with weapons suitable for close range killing yet Bruce still took them down in CQC.
No, there's no such problem with my argument - that's the problem with your argument. Show me the ninjas executing spin kicks like the ones the agents were performing, show me them wearing military helmets and kelvar suits, show me them ragdolling grown men. Looking at individual feats, Ward is better, and that's a better way than just comparing their fodder-wrecking feats with blind assumptions.
It's very clear to me that they are wearing body armour. Ninjas have snapped the necks of grown men with absolutely no strain whatsoever and are part of a highly skilled criminal organization that specializes in combat. It's not blind assumptions to say that to high tier fodder with decent feats/accolades are comparable. Based off scaling as well the ninjas are above multiple thugs.
Didn't he lose all of those fights.
What does it matter? He gave May much better fights than Bruce would ever be able to.
An assumption.
Did she win though because holding your own against somebody is very different from beating them. In any case Bruce beat Bane someone with high amounts of skill and someone strong enough to dent concrete with his bare hands.
She didn't win, again what does it matter? Bruce wouldn't perform anywhere near as efficiently. Bane barely even qualifies as a superhuman, if at all, you're comparing a guy with decent skill and decent strength to a master of precognition who can litteraly read your mind and counter every single thing you do, armed with blades.
Master of precognition hardly makes you infallible and I've yet to see feats for this guy beyond beating a wrecked May. Bane has skill, speed and strength comparable to that of someone like Bruce, even being superior in strength by a considerable margin.
Matched the grip of a low level superhuman who can shatter concrete with his bare hands.
Bane is 10 times weaker than Centipede Soldiers, and he likely isn't as skilled either - that's who May parried hits from. May herself can shatter concrete more efficiently, so Bane's output is not particularly impressive by AoS standards. Ward straight up overpowered her.
Big difference between simply blocking hits and actually matching their strength. Also the centipede soldier gif won't load so what exactly happens. As for May, Putting a large dent in a thick concrete pillar>breaking a thin concrete slab.
Beat somebody who effortlessly stomped a high tier fodder wrecker.
You're going to have to be more specific here.
Ra's.
Denting concrete>sending someone flying. Skill feats for this guy.
Bane cannot do that. He doesn't send people flying by hitting them. Sinara, who May faught, is much better than the random Kree who can pull this off, and she's described as Kassius' best fighter.
My point is that breaking concrete with your bare hands is more impressive than simply throwing someone like a ragdoll. Also considering Bruce can lift Ra's with the use of only one arm and Bane was outmatching his strength I think it's fair to say he can ragdoll a human.
The idea that Bruce is Ward's inferior in every single way is laughable.
worthy counterarguent: The idea that he isn't is laughable.
I'll concede here, you've got me totally outgunned.
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Bruce has tanked gunshots and still managed to run a great distance.
Like when Two-Face shot him out of a window through his suit? Because that's not tanking, Ward took 3 gunshots, was still standing and faught a trained combatant afterwards.
He got up two seconds later, wasn't bleeding and ran a great distance. Yeah he did tank it.
Bruce matched the grip of a concrete cracking Bane, shattered brick with a kick, knocked out armoured swat officers with single hits,
May has replicated all that, possibly on a higher level too, and Ward can downright overpower her.
Proof.
tanked a barrage of pillar cracking punches,
and Ward tanked gunshots straight up.
So has Bruce.
shrugged off a fall from a skyscraper ect.
Bruce never fell off anything that qualifies as a skyscraper.
Really.
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