GoW Thor vs GoW Zeus

Thor wins. While not as strong as Old Kratos he was obviously narrartively portrated to be close enough to him when both are in the serious realm of fighting mindset. This is not by any mean a easy fight, but Thor raw powers , strength and durability (all being above Zeus as far as I know) wins him the day.

Zeus. Too powerful and haxed. And the weapons stipulation would grant Zeus both the Blade of Olympus and his personal Gauntlet.

What I said two months ago still holds true. Thor is less versatile and crafty but he is massively physically stronger and more powerful. He is also too much of a tank to go down under Zeus assaults before reaching Zeus in physical combat and landing a full hammer blow on his face and shattering his skull in pieces.

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@molt: We eat those

Both are fodders and Saitama still one shot

Raw physical strength might be the only thing Thor has on Zeus.

• Thor withstood strikes from a holding-back Kratos armed with the Leviathan and Blades of Chaos;
• Zeus withstood strikes from a bloodlusted Kratos armed with weapons far more powerful than what Old Man Kratos has.

And Thor hasn't displayed any sort of resistance to power nullification, something Zeus' lightning does. Meanwhile, Zeus can take his own lightning reflected back at him.

In physical combat, Zeus stabs Thor's fat bud with the Blade of Olympus and absorbs his power. Or pummels him to death with his Gauntlet, which on its own grants the wearer strength sufficient to overpower Atlas.

Zeus kept up with a bloodlusted Kratos wearing Boots of Hermes and he can duplicate. Thor isn't landing a hit on Zeus.

Base(d) Zeus is already too much for the poor fatso. Zeus armed with the Blade of Olympus and his Gauntlet? Yeah, no.

Thor stomps

Zeus bfrs Thor with Olympus blade to dietetist

@rajjarsalt said:

Thor stomps

What exactly are you trying to show here?

Taking lore and statements into consideration, Thor would physically be too much for Zeus. His first fight with Jörmungandr the World Serpent shook all Nine Realms. He violently shook and then splinteredYggdrasil, a construct that transcends time and space in all of the realms and contains them within its branches, which themselves stretch out to infinity, in his second fight with the Serpent, hurling the latterbackthrough time. He easily held his own against both Jörmungandr and Surtr, now Ragnarök, with the latter having been stated to burn down Asgard to ash with his sword, destroying both Asgard and its World Tree branch, which he does so, which in turn shakes the entire tree to its core. Kratos admitted that the full force of Thor's blows were as heavy as any he had felt, despite both him and Thor holding back considerably for the duration of their first fight, with Thor mocking him for doing so. Even after fighting the World Serpent and Ragnarök simultaneously, Thor had enough strength to battle Kratos. In their second fight, the two were evenly matched, with Thor going all out and Kratos being more serious than ever before despite still holding back, albeit at considerably lesser levels than before, in a bid to save Thor, with the two matchingeach otherblow-for-blow until Kratos eventually overwhelmed and defeated Thor. Despite having superior physicals (primarily striking and durability), Zeus is faster, more versatile, and has the hax needed to put Thor down. It all depends on how Zeus approaches the fight.

I know, late answer. But I didn't look the thread in the meantime or any other that I engaged in recently for the matter. I was waiting for the notifications to work , it seems this is not bound to happen anytime soon. So anyway.

I say that Thor posses certainly the raw physical strength advantage over Zeus. Almost every canon note and mention of the guy are some emphasis on his strenght and the brute power he brings out in combat. He is known first and foremost for his hammer strikes, not from spamming lightning from a distance. Odin kin is also noted several times by various sources to be originally essentially almost solely pure brute strength based in combat before they gained acces to new ways of learning and using magic (Mimir, Vanir gods) and even after they expanded their craft and knowledge they are still mostly physical fighters (unlike Greek Gods)

From a narrative perspective and portrayal it seems more than bizzare for Zeus to compare to Thor in anything relating to strength at all. The overwhelming majority of Thor feats and reputation relate to how hard he hits with his hammer. Obviously the hammer is a freakin magical super-weapon one of the strongest ever made, but the hammer is only that deathly in battle because it is wield by a worthy warrior. Comparatively , as far as I remember, Zeus does not have something comparable in reputation and portrayal in terms of how strongly he can strike down foes.

You do mention that Kratos was holding back against Thor in their encounters, (unlike Zeus) and while it is true, there is things more than worth of consideration with this argument. First of all in their first fight Kratos basically is saying (or heavily implying so) that even if he had to fight Thor going all out the fight would not be anything but bloody and difficult for both of them.

He chose to end our fight prematurely. It is good for both of us that it did not reach its conclusion.

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Secondly, I am pretty sure that the reasonable interpretation (via most sources and implications) suggest to us that Kratos as of Norse Saga>Spartan Kratos in terms of strength. Kratos issues in Norse saga are centered about being rusty and holding back, but he is actually stronger (but less versatile). There is also a considerable difference between the Kratos who fought Baldur and the Kratos who fought Thor.

The Kratos who fought Baldur was rusty from years or not fighting anyone truly of note, he was also preserving his godly nature from his son. Against Thor (in the second fight) he was willing to kill Thor the whole time until the guy was basically not able to fight back properly anymore Kratos was not going to job considering what was at stakes. Sure he was not all out and merciless like his former self, but he basically told us that even if he was to fight with everything he had, the fight would not be a trivial matter at all.

One must also keep in mind that before engaging Kratos during Ragnarok Thor was not only fighting his nemesis, you know the fight bound by fate which was hyped since 2018 to be one of the most emblematic, epic and titanic confrontation in the entire God of War universe, but he was also engaging their version of the Pantheon Apocalypse itself.

You do mention Zeus power nulifications abilities, but did Zeus ever affected a foe on Thor caliber with it ?

As for the Hermes argument, Thor was more than confident to take down Heimdall (and Heimdall actually backed down, though he was still kind of mocking in doing so) someone Kratos needed a special and specific kind of weapon to actually touch in combat. Kratos made clear he was fighting Heimdall with full killing intent originally, he only choose to spare him when he got the opportunity.

As far as feats goes, what Thor did against Jörmungandr and the consequences of it (affecting all the realms related to the pantheon and splintering Yggdrasil itself) outstrip anything Zeus did in terms of magnitude or effects if we are making a power comparative here.

Hard fight, but I stick to my claim for now.

None of that actually proves that Thor is stronger than Zeus, though.

Mjolnir might be a super-weapon by Norse standards, but in Greece it would be considered a fodder-tier weapon.

Indeed, there's a considerable difference between the Kratos who fought Baldur and the Kratos who fought Thor:

Against Baldur, Kratos:

• was fighting to kill, only being persuaded otherwise at the very end by Freya and Atreus;
• had the Blades with him;
• was "rusty".

Against Thor, Kratos:

• was holding back for most of the fight,
• didn't have the Blades,
• wasn't "rusty" anymore, however, both his ax and himself were weakened by Fimbulwinter.

All of that resulted in Kratos performing for most of the fight at a sub-Magni&Modi level, per Thor:

You spit on my sons' memories. I can't believe they lost to you.

[...]

Was it luck? Did my sons die to blind, fucking luck?!

God of War: Ragnarok

I trust I don't have to explain why Thor maybe beating this version of Kratos isn't really much to write home about.

As for their second fight, there's nothing to discuss there. A holding back Kratos beat a bloodlusted Thor. On several occasions, Kratos tried to talk Thor down.

In short, you suggest that Thor was not at 100% during his final fight with Kratos. Despite the fact we've never seen him getting tagged even once.

I don't see why Thor treating Jormungandr as a punching bag, and maybe (as this part of the game seems to be randomized) dodging some attacks from Ragnarok (who, at the same time, was being actively distracted by Freya and Freyr), would negatively impact Thor's performance against Kratos.

Why should Thor's "caliber" matter? Raw power isn't a counter to hax. You either have resistance, or not.

Zeus depowered Kratos at the begining of GoW II with a tap. His lightning also depowered BoGoW III Kratos to the point he was affected by the River Styx, something he was unaffected by way back in Chains of Olympus. And in this battle, he also has the Blade of Olympus.

Did Thor ever resist power null of Zeus' caliber? Did Thor ever resist any power null for that matter?

What does Heimdall have to do with Hermes?

And then a holding back Kratos beats a bloodlusted Thor...

1. The splintering of Yggdrasil was the result of the fight between Thor and Jormungandr. Thor didn't do this by himself.
2. Zeus' anger alone shook the foundations of the world a.k.a. the Underworld which is a separate dimension from Greek's Earth. So you can imagine what he would do with an actual attack, especially while wielding the Blade of Olympus, something that makes Mjolnir look like a child toy hammer.
3. His Gauntlet alone grants enough physical strength to overpower Atlas, someone who carries all of the Greek verse (minus the Underworld) on his back, making him the Greek equivalent of Yggdrasil. Zeus' own strength is, obviously, superior to that of his Gauntlet, as seen in GoW II.
4. He scales laughably above Helios, whose power keeps in check Morpheus, who in turn can merge two infinite realms.
5. Prove that what Thor did is actually beyond Zeus' capability.

This is all without taking into account Zeus' absolutely retarded power growth rate. He goes from being more or less equal with EoGoW II Kratos to one-shotting BoGoW III Kratos&Gaia. Even at the end of GoWIII, he goes from being bullied by Kratos in round 1, to fighting him near evenly in round 2. He literally grows stronger as the fight continues, as stated in the GoW III Guide, and in Ascension.

Thor dies.

This shouldn't even been a question, Zeus is far more powerful. Kratos needed several power ups, primordial energy and so on to beat an old zeus. kratos stated he lost all his magic powers when he came to the norse realm so he is much weaker and could still beat thor.

Zeus is way to versatile and haxed, has a handful of ways to win.

Zeus stomps. Kratos wasn’t going all out vs Thor in both fights. He needed damn near every Greek weapon to beat Zeus. Not to mention the Greek Pantheon has way stronger Magic the the Nordic gods.

Zeus steps on him. This is not even a Fight

I still believe Thor and Old Kratos are overrated as hell on here. Zeus wins, but he ain't stompin.

Thor stomps GOW 1/2 Zeus

GOW 3 Peak Summit of Sacrifice Zeus stomps Thor

Glad to see the recency-hype has died out

Zeus wins due to hax

Zeus, but Thor would no doubt make him work for it.

Thor folds any version of Zeus except Fear mode

Zeus banishes him to the darkest pits of Tartarus… are we forgetting Zeus single handedly ended the Great War with a single attack after he created the blade of Olympus? The titans were the previous pantheon of “gods” in the greek world and Zeus with the blade essentially one shot them all at once. Kratos needed the most powerful power in the entire Greek saga to win against Zeus, the manifestation of hope while Zeus was in possession/infected with the power of fear. And hope Kratos is immeasurably above even his peak GOW3 self before having the power of hope awakened, given that he was completely annihilated by fear ghost Zeus and had all his magic, weapons and items destroyed in an instant. Thor is a beast but he was still taken out by new “sane” Kratios who wasn’t bloodlusted and fought him with the intention of sparing him from the start. While to kill Zeus he literally needed a plot device. Not to mention that Athena in GOW3 says that extinguishing the Flame of Olympus is necessary in order to kill Zeus, Thor has no way of killing him.

Zeus mid diff, Thor is not on his level

I always said Zeus would come out on top here