GoW Thor vs 616 Thor

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Lmao, GoW Thor

@chives_qte said:

How ?

616 Thor stomps if we're scaling both to their maximum.

Maximum?

Is this like... current 616 Thor? The one with the Odin/Thor Force? He wins

@aganrin: If we use the highest scaling for both then 616 Thor goes much higher. Marvel and DC characters don't fall into a single tier, they have different ranges of feats from different authors and storylines so it would be best to specify which Thor we're talking about. If Thor gets his absolute most powerful feats and scaling he stomps all of God of War, but most viners would say Thor is planet level and really slow and anything else is outliers or headcanon. The truth is that you can't pin Thor down to a single power level because of the nature of Marvel comics. There's low end Thor, high end Thor, and the space between them is outrageous.

Since when is a regular 616 Thor so strong?

Unless we're talking about downplaying GoW Thor and throwing away everything we have for him right away. Then Marvel Thor stomps.

@lord_vine: agree

regular 616 Thor lifted 21 planets with arm

You are downplaying Marvel Thor and throwing away everything we have for him right away for GoW Thor to stomp him

Party Thor is enough to one shot.

@laiks stake: what ? Party Thor is basically MCU pre Worthy Thor before being banished

So you're saying the powers of both Marvel and DC characters change from authors ? Or is it just Marvel

You mean these guys?

Or do you not know that Thor holds back most of the time?

@aganrin: Now convince me it's consistent, lmfao. A much more powerful version of Thor has something like this:

It doesn't matter how hard you try. Don't even start pulling out GoW anti-feats because Marvel has a few of their own for every GoW anti-feat.

No matter how much you may not believe in the multiversal GoW Thor, it does not change the fact that GoW Thor has a lot of contexts that prove and confirm that it is at this level. Also, even the worst stunt in the series far outweighs any anti-feat, which makes any anti-feat invalid because (again) even with the maximum possible lowball, the worst (edit) feat far outweighs any anti-feat.

@chives_qte said:

@aganrin: Now convince me it's consistent, lmfao. A much more powerful version of Thor has something like this:

It doesn't matter how hard you try. Don't even start pulling out GoW anti-feats because Marvel has a few of their own for every GoW anti-feat.

No matter how much you may not believe in the multiversal GoW Thor, it does not change the fact that GoW Thor has a lot of contexts that prove and confirm that it is at this level. Also, even the worst stunt in the series far outweighs any anti-feat, which makes any anti-feat invalid because (again) even with the maximum possible lowball, the worst (edit) feat far outweighs any anti-feat.

nonsense double standard you ignore all of Marvel Thor's feats and only include his Anti feats all the while ignoring all of GoW Thor's anti feats and only include his feats

This isn't the one with Odin/Thor Force

@aganrin said:

It does not work like that. Even the soldiers, who are less than fodder for almost anyone in the GoW series, have easily building-level feats. I don't buy that the god tier characters in the verse were supposed to be at street level. It's not my reasoning that anti-feats in GoW are mostly irrelevant. Logic literally says so. Why would the god of the verse be weaker than a mere soldier?

Now I would like you to prove that Marvel Thor's anti-feats are invalid, just as I proved that GoW Thor's anti-feats are invalid. I'll wait, good luck.

@aganrin said:

@bootyman5000 said:

Is this like... current 616 Thor? The one with the Odin/Thor Force? He wins

This isn't the one with Odin/Thor Force

@aganrin said:

Okay then, in that case I think GoW wins

@bootyman5000: how ?

Double standard again

What you said above about GoW series can be applied Marvel as well and you have no luck with that

@chives_qte said:

@aganrin: Now convince me it's consistent, lmfao. A much more powerful version of Thor has something like this:

It doesn't matter how hard you try. Don't even start pulling out GoW anti-feats because Marvel has a few of their own for every GoW anti-feat.

No matter how much you may not believe in the multiversal GoW Thor, it does not change the fact that GoW Thor has a lot of contexts that prove and confirm that it is at this level. Also, even the worst stunt in the series far outweighs any anti-feat, which makes any anti-feat invalid because (again) even with the maximum possible lowball, the worst (edit) feat far outweighs any anti-feat.

The funny thing is, this anti-feat is immediately followed by Thor no-selling the home planet of those creatures exploding in his face.

So it's probably not the best example to use while trying to prove his inconsistency. I'm not saying that Thor, or Marvel characters in general don't have anti-feats. They do, and much more than many people realise, but the thing is, those anti-feats get kinda balanced by good feats for most of the characters. Thor, for instance, has probably as much planetary and above level feats and statements as he has anti-feats. The same cannot be said about GOW characters, who don't have feats on this level to begin with

You keep talking about double standards like it means anything. Finally say something that makes sense.

If what I said is so easily applicable to Marvel as well, go ahead and show it. So far you haven't proven anything, you just keep repeating yourself.

Prove Marvel Thor anti-feats are unimportant, just like GoW Thor. Then prove that Marvel Thor is consistent in terms of feats. Good luck.

If we high-end the two, then comic Thor stomps! Otherwise he'd win anyway, but that's a more interesting encounter. I don't know what everyone else is talking about above though, it doesn't sound good.

@sonofsparda1366 said:

@chives_qte said:

@aganrin: Now convince me it's consistent, lmfao. A much more powerful version of Thor has something like this:

It doesn't matter how hard you try. Don't even start pulling out GoW anti-feats because Marvel has a few of their own for every GoW anti-feat.

No matter how much you may not believe in the multiversal GoW Thor, it does not change the fact that GoW Thor has a lot of contexts that prove and confirm that it is at this level. Also, even the worst stunt in the series far outweighs any anti-feat, which makes any anti-feat invalid because (again) even with the maximum possible lowball, the worst (edit) feat far outweighs any anti-feat.

The funny thing is, this anti-feat is immediately followed by Thor no-selling the home planet of those creatures exploding in his face.

So it's probably not the best example to use while trying to prove his inconsistency. I'm not saying that Thor, or Marvel characters in general don't have anti-feats. They do, and much more than many people realise, but the thing is, those anti-feats get kinda balanced by good feats for most of the characters. Thor, for instance, has probably as much planetary and above level feats and statements as he has anti-feats. The same cannot be said about GOW characters, who don't have feats on this level to begin with

It's literally on the panel how the two Premodeals created the universe in battle. Then we get a lot of statements, feats and so on that the Titans are more powerful than the Premordeals . However, despite this, the Titans are weaker than the Gods through feats, and Kratos describes Thor's punch as the strongest he has encountered to date.

We also see (again on the panel) Thor hitting the World Serpent sends him back in time. We have context for this event in the form of Mimir, who in GoW4 talks about why it happened that the Serpent was sent through time. Thor splits Yggdrasil with a blow.

If anything, GoW has far more consistent feats at this level than Marvel.

Marvel thor wins

Didn't the gow creative director clarify that nothing is actually universal

It's funny how they wanked GoW to multiversal just until a few months ago, heck, some guys still do it lol

He also explained that mythologies are like galaxies in a larger universe.

@crapser: why people don't mind wanking GoW Thor but hate Marvel Thor ?

Based Professor!

@aganrin: @professorrespect: @crapser:

Not to mention the lore debate is a no-brainer, 616 trumps GoW so hard lol

Sad part is, GoW Thor doesn't have any anti feats that don't have context debunking them

can you give me a low end , or even a mid end for the GoW one because he has like 3 feats.

Retarded, Marvel fans wanting to downplay GoW is very active, they even make 10+ alts to do it specefically

so much for the talk of feats, I'm gonna post one and explain the cosmology while being at it

the nine realms are not the same places or planets or countries or whatever fanfiction some imgur or reddit posts may want to spread, they've different space and different different time, the universe at the end of the day is an interplay of both these dimensions together and the very dimensions are seprate, this is furthur confirmed as the realms exist as different planes of existence but the same physical space, which is just a reference to the transcendantal structure called Yggdrasil. though, I would like to mention that all the realms are the same size as they're treated as reflections of each other.

• Midgard - The Mortal universe equivalent of the Norse pantheon, Midgard is exactly like the normal universe, the mortal universe is consistently full of stars as shown in all the games, its been reffered to as an universe countless times, The first example and the second example. Midgard was created by the All Father, Odin when he multilad and used the corpse of Ymir to create realms.
• Asgard - The home of the Aesir Gods, the realm was created by Odin after Odin murdered and mutilated the corpse of Ymir, the first giant and created the realms. and there is direct and blatant confirmation that Asgard is indeed an universe.
• Vanaheim - Vanaheim is the home of the Vanir gods and it was formed by Odin after he had murdered and used Ymir's corpse to form all the realms.
• Svartalfheim - Svartalfheim is the home of the dwarven race and is another one of the realms formed by Odin after the betrayal and murder of Ymir, I think I've posted the link enough times now.
• Niflheim - Niflheim is one of the Primordial realms that were created seemingly by either Ymir or Sinmara and predate even Odin, the realm is a world completely full of ice and nothing else.
• Helheim - Heimheim is the realm of the dead from a God of War standpoint and it seems to be specefically formed by Odin to only accept certain souls who died cowardly from Aesir perspective.
• Muspelheim - Muspelheim is the realm that preceded even Odin and is seemingly created by Either Ymir or Surtr, the realm itself is pure fire and rock.
• Jotunheim - the realm of the giants, it seems like the Jotunheim is not created by the primordial giants or Odin but is a byproduct of the creation destroying flood caused via Ymir's death.
• Alfheim - Alfheim is a realm that is home to the elven race and is one of the most important realms as it seems like Odin carved and formed the realm difectly around the light of alfheim, the realm itself is a beautiful world but its inhabitants are always in war for the possession of the light of alfheim.
• The Light of Alfheim - The Light of Alfheim is a Primordial power source that predates Odin, all souls eventually return to the light of alfheim, the giants, the elves e.t.c. do but anyone trying to enter it gets his soul deconstructed and dissolved into the light itself its not just a massive spiritual storage but also the construct that keeps the nine realms seprated and it is also something that transcends the nine realms all together.
• The Well of Urd - The Well of Urd is a Metaphysical centre of creation, the Well of Urd is a structure holding an infinite number of timelines inside it, all playing out in different ways and there being virtually a timeline for every possible outcome.
• The Yggdrasil - Yggdrasil is the everything of the norse pantheon, it is the construct that encompasses and contains all of creation on its mere boughs as well as the realms, and the endless timelines, all complex space times at the end of the day..., well every single strand of the Yggdrasil transcend time, transcend space and it doesn't just end there but there are an infinite number of such strands on the branches that extend to infinity.

so just like the greek pantheon one, a short summarization of everything that has been explained about the norse pantheon cosmology so far.

Thor and World serpant's feat

Thor and Jormungandr are two of most iconic part of the Nordic pantheon, the brave thunder god that battles a giant serpant so giant that it encompassess the whole world, the same battle happens twice in God of War, the first time when they were younger and Jormungandr was new to Midgard, the battle between young Thor and Jormungandr was so violent that it could be felt accross the entire nine realms at once, shaking them in the process but ultimately it ended in a stalemate. The stalemate caused Thor to return to Odin empty handed and this battle sowed seeds of hatred between the two, destined to kill each other at Ragnarok, and the battle did happen at Ragnarok, but this time it was even more and more destructive,The battle at Ragnarok shook the Yggdrasil so violently that the very construct started splintering apart and in retalliation, it hurled Jormungandr hundreds of years back in time and the event is reaffirmed multiple times in Ragnarok, we getting to see it playout and the characters repeatedly confirming that it was indeed true so what this means is that attacks from Thor can so violently shake the very construct that contains infinite timelines, nine realms e.t.c., to the point where the Yggdrasil itself started splintering and had to make a conscious decision to end the battle somehow.

so, the feat is there now, explained, and if anyone has a problem feel free to debate me on it, No alts, no dickeating and no insults though, Adios Amigo!

@rajjarsalt: how ? They seem to be on par with each other

GoW Thor has the win here.

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Norns (Fates) (Earth-616) | Marvel Database | Fandom

@rajjarsalt said:

@aganrin said:

@rajjarsalt: how ? They seem to be on par with each other

left middle panel

Norns (Fates) (Earth-616) | Marvel Database | Fandom

This isn't rune King Thor. This Thor was under the control of the norns

@aganrin said:

This has been debated to death already with no signs of ever getting better and the OP seems to be arguing in his thread too much.

Also, base Thor is not FTL.