Gotei 13 vs Naruto and Sasuke (gauntlet)

Yama, Soi-Fon, Gin, Unohana, Aizen, Dangai Koma, Tousen (Composite) Byukauya, Kyoraku, Urahara, Kenny, Mayrui, Rukia

• Random Encounter
• Standard gear
• Gotei is bloodlusted. The boys are in-character
• Current/Latest versions
• Win by death or KO

Round 1: War BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke

Round 2: War Arc Rinnegan Sasuke & SPSM Naruto

Round 3: Boruto Era

Round 1 they lose.

They win round 2-3

They get stomped Round 1

Stomp they all at Round 2-3.

InB4 the wank and lowball being.

Inb4 someone bring Aizen's Basic Sharingan Genjutsu Kyoka Suigetsu as something impressive in Narutoverse.

Captains wins round 1

Either Naruto or Sasuke solo round 2 and 3

Yh, no. I think people are really underselling the Gotei here due to certain biases and personal agenda and etc.

The Gotei could potential clear but there would be casualties. There is simply way too much collective firepower, hax and abilities for the duo to effectively deal with all at the same time. Bloodlust is on, so they will start with bankai/most most power techs. Shunsui's Kuramastsu Shinju's hax, Rukia absolute Zero flash freezes(which duo have no defence against), Yama's 15,000,000 degrees bankai, Kenny's island busting + slashes, Tousen's bankai's sense stealing hax and then you have Aizen/Koma, who they have no effective way of dealing with in Rounds 1 and 3 due to immortality (OP doesn't even specify sealing as winnable method, so that could be out). All the while, Unohana will be providing healing in-fight insta healing to her comrades

Gotei godstomp Round 1, Mid diff Round 2 and potentially scrape past Round 3 with casualties. Kyoraku, Yama, Kenny and Aizen MVPS

They win handily Round 1

They could stop, but I bet they'll win Round 2

They definitely stop at Round 3.

This

@programmerseth: Dude, Yama and Aizen are the only ones who can survive a single Bijuu Bomb or Rasenshuriken.

Naruto is in-character, so I highly doubt he is going to open the fight by spamming bijuudama against people whose abilities he knows nothing about. Rasenshuriken couldn't kill Kakuzu and hasn't killed anyone of note either. Kyoraku's shikai allows him to hide himself and anyone close to him in shadows (It's essentially Kamui but in a shadow dimension). He used it to dodge Lille's holy light from nearly point blank range so its activation is quite fast. Tagging him with AOE is going to be hard. Whats more, he can travel between shadows that are not connected with each other so, Yamamoto suddenly appearing in front of Naruto or Sasuke with Zanka no tachi activated or Rukia with her bankai is extremely deadly tactic. Neither of them are surviving ZNT's heat or Haka No tagame's AZ flash freeze or even Kamishini Non Yari's poison, which rips you apart at the molecular level

Also, Bankai Zaraki survived direct hit from Gerard, who was able to match shikai Zaraki that one shotted that meteor. He

Dangai Koma is fully immortal, so he can't be killed

Gotei 13 clears all rounds.

@joviolma: what basic sharingan genjutsu lasts 100 years, costs the user zero energy and can only be broken before its casted

@jatom22: lol it can be broken by touching his zanpakuto just like genjustu nice try

@abyssdarkfire: ya before its casted like I stated

@joviolma: no basic genjutsu last 100 years because they will run out of chakra

edit unless you have feats of a basic genjutsu lasting 100 years

what does not using energy have to do with the argument? imagine itachi could use tsukiyomi without being gassed afterward it would be broken as hell. It's an ability that makes ks superior to basic genjutsu.

no he couldn't release him from it because it that's not how its broken it's not a genjutsu. unless he is touching aizens sword before hand hes not breaking it. you can't have someone touch you or chakra flex your way out of it

madara casting IT on the planet has nothing to do with this argument you said basic genjutsu IT is light years from a basic genjutsu.

yes sharingan can see through illusions but aizen controls 4 other senses.

They get nuked and all die in round 2 or 3.

I disagree with this. Iro-oni completely ignores durability.

@ecoblitz: The shadow sword doesn't ignore durability.

The color sword does extra damage based on the rule, but it doesn't ignore durability. Its also a seperate game, so it can't be used at the same time as the shadow sword, and Naruto, Sasuke, and Shunsui don't really share a lot of colors, so its not really useful. its not like Shunsui is running around in yellow and purple, and the chakra constructs are the thing she's going to need to be cutting.

Genjustsu and Aizen's zanpakuto are inherently different, in both their process and the way they're dispelled. The way they dispel genjutsu only works because of the way it's caused - by sending their chakra into the enemy. It can be disrupted by outside interference or that flow of chakra being interrupted. That's not the case for Aizen's zanpakuto.

A better analogy would be Koga Kuchiki's ability to control the senses - his functions almost exactly like Naruto genjutsu, yet it can be blocked by those who know about it unlike Aizen's.

KS doesn't last for 100 years either...that's only the amount of time people remain vulnerable to it. KS has never been active for all that time. Genjutsu also affects all 4 other senses...lol. The sharingan sees past them regardless, what makes KS so different? What are you talking about?

@azureus: if someone stops using genjutsu on someone then they see them 100 year later they will have to re apply the genjutsu. Once aizen shows someone his release it's over they are under it for life and whenever he releases it he controls their five senses. it's like when aizen says to shinji how long did you think i wasnt using kyoka suigestsu (not the actual quote) shinji has literally no idea he was being controlled because he saw the release once a hundred or so years ago and now is under whenever aizen wants

That's not the same as KS lasting 100 years. And there is no difference between "re-applying" genjutsu and Aizen releasing KS. KS requires a victim to see the release of the Shikai, so they can be affected over and over again. Genjutsu requires no such condition.

Anyone who thinks naruto or sasuke can overcome all that firepower and hax must have some wank juice in their eyes.

Yama alone could solo(unlikely)

Aizen solos(if it’s the immortal one)

If it were 1v1, then Naru and sasu would win 80%

I feel like a lot of bankai's are being ignored honestly. The first round is a matter of "who can get their ultimate move off first" (Even tho Nachos and Sauce arent bloodlusted lol). I feel that Round 1 could be a toss up imo.

Other two rounds Gotei lose tho

@azureus: It requires the victims to see its release once them they are under it for 100+ years or proabably even life. This can be seem on the FKT arc when the captains fight aizen.

The first scan shows that toshiro hasn't seen aizen use the KS released because if he had seen it released he wouldn't have said to aizen I wont let you release it then the second scan is after he makes the captains cut hinamori. They had absolutely no idea they were under it if they saw him realise the sword and eye contact was necessary a second time toshiro wouldn't say I wont allow you to release it and shinji wouldn't ask when he did it. He doesnt even take his sword out till he fights shinji the first time.

unless you can provide a scan of aizen releasing KS in front of all the captains at once during the fkt arc

@azureus: @jatom22:

Seriously, you guys should do a CaV.

BSM Naruto solos Gotei 13, most if not all the Gotei 13 can't dodge Gin's mach 500 Bankai, BSM is way way faster than Kirin which is atleast mach 3000.

They arent beating round 1 tbh, Yama and Aizen are the only ones who can survive Rasenshuriken and Yamas flames make him a hazard to basically his entire team once it detonates.

@joviolma: you sad we dont know I was pointing out its not that you dont know it's that they cant.

lol I wrote edit to show that I was editing my post not that you need to edit lol

what naruto characters do to release themselves from a genjutus has nothing to do with aizens illusion. That's blatant ABC logic. They release themselves from genjutsu so they can release themselves from KS becaus it had similar effects, ignoring that one of the abilities of KS is that there is ONE was to break it.

@joviolma: there is no need for a cav. Azien states it right here

he states it needs be seen once and that after that all he needs to do is release KS and the hypsosis returns.

@joviolma: agree to disagree is fine with me lol. If you want to resume I'll be happy to do so

ps I like that sasuke picture it really captures his personality. Yeah sorry with a straight face and no emotion lol

Shunsui and Kenpachi are more than enough to win, Adding in Byakuya and Aizen also Mayuri is a stomp in gotei favor and this is Shinigami Aizen, if its Transcendent then there is no point in this fight as Transcendent Aizen > Yamamoto and Ichibei and only 2nd to Yhwach, Shinigami aizen is only weaker than Yamamoto but still slightly stronger than Shunsui

Kenpachi= Stronger than both of them combined x1000 physically, can do what SPSM naruto can do with a rasenshuriken in shikai form and effortlessly also a common slash.

Shunsui= Can kill anyone in naruto non immortal due to his ability Rules/Law.

Mayuri= can find a way to kill you with science also Bankai Poison and numerous Drugs.

Urahara= just as bad as Mayuri but has his own hax, everything within his field would be reconstructed via Bankai making sasuke susanoo completely useless same for naruto.

Rukia= Shikai and Bankai are both absolute Zero, both naruto and sasuke had hard time getting out of a common ice from kaguya without using Fire, absolute zero kills both of them if they get hit, since they do have crap bodies, their brains would be frozen thus they would die they dont have the luxury of being Souls.

and lastly Yamamoto, he goes bankai and both sasuke and naruto get roasted, simple as that, the moment they breathe they die, the moment they get too close they die, the moment they get hit they die.

@raziel2014: Dont forget old man yama

N&S all rounds.

@jatom22:

It requires the victims to see its release once them they are under it for 100+ years or proabably even life. This can be seem on the FKT arc when the captains fight Aizen.

They're not under it for life, they're only continuously vulnerable to it and will be affected by it whenever he releases it. That's what I'm saying here, there's no need for instances where genjutsu works for decades, when KS doesn't either...

The first scan shows that toshiro hasn't seen aizen use the KS released because if he had seen it released he wouldn't have said to aizen I wont let you release it then the second scan is after he makes the captains cut hinamori. They had absolutely no idea they were under it if they saw him realise the sword and eye contact was necessary a second time toshiro wouldn't say I wont allow you to release it and shinji wouldn't ask when he did it. He doesnt even take his sword out till he fights shinji the first time.

unless you can provide a scan of aizen releasing KS in front of all the captains at once during the fkt arc

What are you even saying in the second part, I don't understand your point. Could you summarize it? Proof doesn't need to come now, your claim first, then proof later, not in the same sentences.

@azureus: see post #34 it is simpler. He states in that scan it needs to be seen once

What does that have to do with anything? I never denied what is pointed out in that post.

@azureus: I'm saying that once your under it your under it for life. Eye contact needs to be made once. If that's the case than it does not need to be reapplied like a genjutsu. If you agree with that than I misread what you wrote and I apologize.

Fair enough I guess. Wording wise, I disagree, but if we go beyond that to look at meaning rather than literal words, sure.

I don't want to be rude but what you are arguing is plain stupid. No body in Naruto live for hundreds of years, except maybe Kaguya (who can trap people in genjutsu for eternity) who again was sealed off.

So asking to provide proof of applying genjutsu longer than one can leave is ridiculous and non-sensical. For the record Obito put Yagura under genjutsu for 3 years and it didn't exhaust his chakra. And Itachi also put his anbu teammate under genjutsu the entire since their first meeting till he made them kill each other.

I will see what other argument you are going to make.

@great_black_star: the point really isn't how long it's more that it never goes away and based on what we've seen in bleach has zero energy requirement.

Edit also consider how many people are under it for those 100 years. He had all of the 13 Squads (or most) and the vizards. even if you compare obitos feat it pales in comparison

I regards to yagura. I know obito was controlling him but where does it say three years from what I've read its very vague

Na, it's EOS Aizen. Latest versions for all the Gotei

1. There are many types of Genjutsu. And unless you think Obito and Itachi doesn't sleep at all and remain concious 24/7 those entire years to maintain genjutsu, the genjutsu they put also didn't fade off and didn't require chakra to maintain. They can make them activate anytime they wanted.

2. It was stated both in Manga and anime. Ao detected it with his byakugan.

@great_black_star: so what your saying is it's not active 24/7 which would mean they're not constantly using Chakra while it isnt active and if it isn't active then yagura isnt being controlled. alsobThe very fact it uses chakra would be a knock against it when comparing it to KS. Not to mention the whole thing is extremely vague.

Also that doesnt sound like a basic genjutus which is what is being debated here.

Round 1; Gotei winn

Round 2; Either solostomps Bverse.

Round 3; Either solostomps.

The Gotei can actually clear. Why? Because they are bloodlusted...and have Shunsui. The moment the fight start Shunsui goes bankai and destroy Naruto & Sasuke with his reality warping.

A case can be made for Yama's bankai too.

Edit:

Actually, after reading the replies here, I'm out. I really should stop commenting on post involving Bleach on this forum. Only tag me if you have something worth talking about on this post. Peace!