@jashro44: Wouldn't Karnak stand a chance had he a shot? And I think that Moon Knight can at least give him some problems with access to all of his gear. But again, I don't know how powerful Gorgon at his peak truly is, but if he is within the limits of Spider-Man level characters physical wise, Moon Knight can find a way.
As far as I know neither moon knight or Karnak are within the same tier as spider-man. Gorgon in his prime defeated elektra, wolverine, and a bunch of shield agents when they had prep and the element of surprise. He was having conversations at speeds greater than thought and was perceiving the world as if it was standing still, was casually blocking machine gun fire by spinning his sword around as well. He's to fast and powerful for them.
They're not on the same tier as him when we consider all of his abilities, but they surely can make up with other things. Karnak for instance has been known to react to bullets even when facing point-blank shots, he even did that in his new series:
I know that Spider have way more impressive feats than that, but as far as reaction time goes, I don't see Karnak far behind Peter, we also have to put the spider-sense in the account. And with a proper shot, he could take down bunkers in the past, so had the the chance to focus and close the gap for a sneak attack, I think that he could hurt Gorgon to some extent.
But I think that I will wait for more feats for him in his new series. Moon Knight also can casually evade bullet barrages and even evaded Venom's attacks in a brief fight and even won against Hobgoblin in the past. He have gas, flash bangs and a lot of things in his regular gear. Also, If I'm not wrong, one of his most current armours were made of carbonadium, so that would probably give Gorgon some trouble.
Not to mention that he can call his vehycles for aerial support (Standard Gear), in this case, Angelwing, which was shown to be used offensively.
They're not on the same tier as him when we consider all of his abilities, but they surely can make up with other things. Karnak for instance has been known to react to bullets even when facing point-blank shots, he even did that in his new series:
Compared to Gorgons bullet timing feats this isn't impressive:
Elektra also has better bullet timing feats and Gorgon humiliated her so badly. Like I think spider-man with no morals could stomp elektra but not in the manner Gorgon did it....He literally caught her sword with his teeth. And in addition to Gorgon being fast enough to have feats which surpass Karnaks bullet timing feat, he also has TP on top of that.
I know that Spider have way more impressive feats than that, but as far as reaction time goes, I don't see Karnak far behind Peter, we also have to put the spider-sense in the account. And with a proper shot, he could take down bunkers in the past, so had the the chance to focus and close the gap for a sneak attack, I think that he could hurt Gorgon to some extent.
Hurt him? Sure but he is getting his head chopped off before that happens. Comparing there combative feats Gorgons are just better.
But I think that I will wait for more feats for him in his new series. Moon Knight also can casually evade bullet barrages
Evading bullets is pretty far off from Gorgons level. That is maybe wolverine level and Gorgon is far above wolverine. It isn't elektra level who as I said was totally humiliated by Gorgon.
and even evaded Venom's attacks in a brief fight
This was Mac Gargan Venom who wasn't very competent IIRC.
and even won against Hobgoblin in the past.
I don't remember moon knight beating hob goblin in there fight, IIRC that fight was inconclusive. He did show good accuracy but that wont help against gorgon. Plus Gorgon is a lot faster and more skilled than Hob Goblin.
He have gas, flash bangs and a lot of things in his regular gear.
Gorgon fights with a blind fold and relies on his TP in combat so flash bangs are useless. I don't know how gas would affect Gorgon. His healing factor is pretty powerful, Wolverine stated it didn't seem to matter what they hit him with. Also another thing is that Gorgon after his resurrection no longer possess a heart beat, so I don't even know if his anatomy functions the same way as a normal human (at least not entirely the same way).
There are no definitive showings of him fending off poisons but I don't think there is enough evidence to say it would work either. Its pretty unknown how toxins would affect him IMO. So while it is something to consider I think we need to consider the possibility of knock out gas failing at least.
Also, If I'm not wrong, one of his most current armours were made of carbonadium, so that would probably give Gorgon some trouble.
I believe only certain areas are covered.
Not to mention that he can call his vehycles for aerial support (Standard Gear), in this case, Angelwing, which was shown to be used offensively.
Well I usually assume this isn't allowed but I guess that's up to @nimamindtricks to decide. Regardless if it is, is that really in character for moon knight to do?
@nimamindtricks: There's really no difference, it's an earned reputation that equates to more than performance. Slade has a similar reputation as Gorgon, and has had issues fighting Cassie Cain an Grayson.
As for his less impressive showings he wasn't exactly having a stellar showing against Iron Fist and even though he beat Shang Chi (which he should have) Shang held his own far better than one would expect even against a Gorgon that was holding back. It doesn't delude much of what Gorgon has achieved but when you consider that Gorgon will be fighting multiple threats at various ranges all of which are high skilled and whom he is regularly unfamiliar with and that his TP (from what I recall) isn't so powerful as to separate and monitor 4 minds at once I can see him struggling. Winning, sure, but struggling. Which is all I've said from the beginning.
His healing factor will win it for him more than anything else in my opinion.
The Iron Fist fight is literally the same fight that Daredevil interrupted. A poorly written fight and weird dialogue by Bendis. In the fight itself, Gorgon says he's "saving my fight for Logan" and continuing "you are just an obstacle." Iron Fist replies with, "Hey, your call." and hits him a couple times. Later Fist says "Don't look behind you" and Gorgon replies "Oh please." then gets wacked by Daredevil.
Fight here:
I mean really? Slap schitck comedies couldn't write worse than that. Gorgon is an intelligent, competent fighter with TP. a) Why didn't he sense Daredevil? b) Why would he save himself for the "real fight" against Logan when he stomped Logan the first time? c) Following point b, is he implying Iron Fist (even with chi being used during their fight) is less skilled/less of an opponent than Logan? d) The whole "don't look behind you" thing followed with "pfft oh plz" dialogue turned it into an absolute slap-schitck badly written fight. So Gorgon...with heightened senses...TP...and a warning from Iron Fist still got rocked in that manner? Just crappy. In addition, stating that he finds Iron Fist to be an obstacle and that he's saving himself for Iron Fist, would imply that he isn't try and/or holding back skill & power wise. Plus Fist said it's up to him if he wants to treat the fight that way. Why the hell would he? That banter makes no sense. Totally made Gorgon look like an incompetent bafoon. And quit honestly, I feel it wasn't that great of a showing for Iron Fist. It was a fight that deserved an issue onto itself from a competent writer. (Hopefully we'll get a rematch soon)
I just re-read the fight. Shang Chi used everything he had, which you do admit. He even went beyond that and summoned the powers of his ancestors (or however he phrased it). Gorgon literally did not try that entire fight, and once he fought back, Shang was destroyed. I highly doubt his attacks on Shang were him even going all out. He smacked him around a bit with some kung fu and a nice slice and it was done in a single page.
The purpose of this post was to A) Omit that entire Gorgon appearance in Bendis' Dark Avengers run due to how Gorgon was written from a character standpoint (dialogue, ways of thinking, etc.) and how he carried himself in the fight. and B) To show that an all-out Shang Chi's fight against a Gorgon who was not really fighting back, was truly a high end feat for Shang Chi (well I guess, I mean...once Gorgon actually started hitting him back he destroyed him) - not making it a low showing for Gorgon IMO.
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