Gon vs Deku vs Naruto

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- recent Deku

- Chimera Arc Gon without Adult Gon

- Sasuke Rescue Arc Naruto with 1 tail

- win by K.O.

Round 1: Chuunin Exam Arena. 50 meters from eachother. Direct combat

Round 2: Hero training Building A. CQC combat

Round 3: Chuunin Exam Forest. Tactical combat.

Bonus Round: Greed Island open area fight. Deku allies with Todoroki and Bakugo. Gon allies with Killua and Kurapika and Naruto allies with Sasuke 2 tomoe Sharingan with CS and Neji.

RULES:

-BASE SPEED EQUALIZED

-NO BFR

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#2 Posted by Kratosx64x (1292 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump?

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#3 Edited by HigherPower (12414 posts) - - Show Bio

No need to restrict genjutsu when Naruto can't use it, and Sasuke couldn't use it either at that time

Deku wins. Stronger than Gon without adult form, and arguably more powerful than Naruto at this time. Though with shadow clone spam he can turn the tables, but I'm not sure if that would happen here since speed is equalized

Midora wins round 1 and 2, Naruto takes round 3

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#4 Edited by HigherPower (12414 posts) - - Show Bio

Bonus round is hella interesting, it's a good matchup and I have no idea who'd win

But I'm inclined to say HxH team takes that one, but it's super close and could go anyway. Tossup

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#6 Posted by Fabricolage (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

hxh in bonus round might win with Killua's lightning and speed, but the naruto team are good in that area, too so it might be a tossup between those two.

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#7 Posted by Kratosx64x (1292 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: oh and base speed is equalized. But if Naruto goes 1 tailed he gets the boost when Gon uses Nen he gets the boost and Deku when using his quirk gets a boost aswell.

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Why is Deku even in this fight?Isn't he only at large building level.He's a non-factor.He doesn't stand a chance against these two.Anyway Naruto takes this.He has low level regen,chakra arms,clones and a rasengan should be able to critically wound Gon but the same can be said for a jagenken. But i still think Naruto wins with high difficulty.

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@shadowshock: Deku is not just large building level. But the others are not that far ahead even if he would be.

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@kratosx64x said:

@shadowshock: Deku is not just large building level. But the others are not that far ahead even if he would be.

I'm pretty sure he is.I don't remember him doing anything impressive other destroy that robot. Naruto is atleast small town level in one tail and Gon is a casual multi city block buster.Deku's out of his league here

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#11 Posted by Kratosx64x (1292 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowshock: Part 1 Naruto is small town level??? Where? How?

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#12 Edited by Raziel2014 (1573 posts) - - Show Bio

Gon should win due to better balance between Durability, power, speed.

sasuke/naruto dont even belong here as they were only Chunin Tier at the end of Naruto, they have no durability to speak of and would get one shotted by either deku or gon

Deku is in fact stronger in power due to his ability but his body if not up to par with Gon thus his bones, flesh and everything is much weaker and even his own power can break his arms/legs.

the fact is Gon can lift several Tons if not more in just Base form without the use of Nen thus his body is already superhuman his bones and muscle are very powerfull thus using nen would not harm him, naruto cannot lift anything a normal human cant without charkra as ninjas do not train their bodies they just rely on charkra for everything and this is why they have no durability and can be hurt by almost anything that would hurt a normal human, this is a weakness that all ninjas besides gai and lee have.

deku is strong is base form but his body is not even remotely close to Gons as his own power are too strong for his own body to handle and causes backlashes everytime he uses more than what he is capable of, while deku did go through training is not enough to put him on the same tier.

in the end Gon wins due to Experience, Balance and overall better fighter, gon has killed before and has been in life and death battles more than i can count, he almost died several times and this is why gon wins, while deku is stronger in power, but power is not everything, deku cannot use his powers without causing injuries to himself and the power he uses that he can control wont Ko or kill Gon while one punch from gon can kill or KO deku due to the difference in physique.

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#14 Posted by Skrskr (4009 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this manga deku or current anime deku?

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@raziel2014: @kratosx64x:

Ohh shit!!my bad.I refreshed my memory and it seems that he's also large building level.

Deku isn't oneshotting anyone here.1-tail Naruto and him are equal in stats.But Naruto has the edge since he has far more tools to work with.Deku without his quirk Is basically a peak athlete.

Anyway Gon takes this relatively easy

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@skrskr: Manga Deku. Anime Deku can't tangle with them i would say.

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#17 Posted by oblivion360 (1023 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto

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@shadowshock said:

@raziel2014: @kratosx64x:

Ohh shit!!my bad.I refreshed my memory and it seems that he's also large building level.

Deku isn't oneshotting anyone here.1-tail Naruto and him are equal in stats.But Naruto has the edge since he has far more tools to work with.Deku without his quirk Is basically a peak athlete.

Anyway Gon takes this relatively easy

speed is equalized but power and physique is not, so deku or gon could easily kill naruto 1 tail very easily, naruto does not have Gai nor Lee physique and because he had never train his body he would easily get killed, he also does not have Cloak or Sage Mode to help him with these weakness, naruto bones, muscle and basically his entire body is normal/human level, what allows ninjas to jump several meters and run fast is charkra but charkra does not change the physique of the user is a energy source that is located in the stomach and runs through meridians/charkra network, once a ninja losses these network/charkra they become normal humans telling you that ninjas do not have a external/physique cultivating system, this is why they dont have durability to speak of and most of the taijutsu in the series is completely fodder tier even the last fight with sasuke and naruto was not good at close combat, naruto is all about jutsus once they start fighting close range they are very low tier and child naruto/sasuke do not have anything that can really hurt Gon or Deku is long range as both of them only have Chidori or Rasengan which is a close range jutsu and they wont hit Gon with that as the difference between them is huge when it coems to actual Taijutsu/close combat, think of Gon as a huge mountain.

HxH = Has nen as a Source of power but even fighters without nen are superhuman like Killua, he had enough power and speed to easily take someones heart and enough strength to lift several dozen tons, so even if the fighter somehow losses nen they would still be superhuman, nen and the body is both trained in Hxh to keep balance.

Academia= Abilities/super powers/quarks, MC had to train his body so the ability would not completely destroy his body everytime he wanted to use the ability, similar to the 8 Gates from naruto

Naruto= Charkra, ninjas are not required to train their bodies because most of them use ninjutsu or genjutsu and even with taijutsu, charkra can be used to compress charkra in the fist them explode it on touch like Sakura, charkra is very versatile but because of this ninjas have no physique to speak of, and it brings instability with the fighters, like a Genin can hurt a Kage tier or even God Tier ninja if they land a hit like Boruto on Momoshiki or Sakura on Kaguya etc, watch naruto and you will see many of these instances and because if this weakness ninjas cannot stand Gravity or anything that directly hits the body, of course they are ninjas that train the body like Lee, gai and Raikages, even EOS, kakashi who was many times weaker than naruto and sasuke had a better physique than them because he also train with Gai to open 1 Gate.

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#20 Posted by oblivion360 (1023 posts) - - Show Bio

@raziel2014: Chakra boosts durability and physical strength

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#21 Posted by Skrskr (4009 posts) - - Show Bio

@kratosx64x: well chimera arc gon punched someone to another country, and is a casual multi toner through the testing gates.

Naruto doesn't have the physical durability to handle this level of striking, especially with base speed equal.

Even deku has physical feats that are well above this naruto tbh.

I give it to gon

Bonus round is a little tricky for me killua would be the MVP for team HXH but then you have todorki with the flash freeze, I guess it all depends on how the fights break down like if it divulges into 3 1v1v1s. Could go any way tbh

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@raziel2014: Chakra boosts durability and physical strength

yes charkra can be used to boost but it does not change the bones, muscle, and stuff, if not Gai and lee would not need to train their bodies now would they :). have you ever heard of the term a Glass container with Water this is what ninjas are, they can use water to temporary enhance the container but it does not change the fact that the container is Glass.

tsunade created a technique that compresses charkra in the fist and then explode on contact, this is what gives sakura her power but in fact is sakura does not exactly posses superhuman strength her punches do not posses Force is just a normal punch that has exploding charkra this is why her punches cause so much damage on structures liek buildings or the floor when compare to gai and his Gates, is because gai is carrying actual physical force and physical force is a compressed Punch in 1 point the energy does not spread like charkra, so in reality it might look like sakura is stronger but she is not.

Ninjas can still be hurt by Normal weapons like Shurikens and Kunais if they dont use Jutsu to block it, Lightning armor, Steel etc, charkra can boost defense but does not affect the internal Organs nor actual physical qualities of the ninja, and because of this charkra is an active source, the user must be aware of the attack to be able to block, for example lets take a character that has 100tons of force due to training with weights and stuff his body would be harder than steel and completely makes any shuriken and normal weapon useless he could be sleeping or even unaware of the strikes but his body would block it anyway because the body is passive defense it defends regardless or thinking or not, higher physique also brings the ability to withstand cold, fire and other envirements that a normal body cannot on the other hand charkra needs to be controlled. ninjas start extracting charkra by the age of 4-6, but these kids are normal they dont have superhuman strength, once they extract charkra they can jump several meters and use techniques to become faster and do various other stuff, think of it as Qi or Chi from Chinese wuxia/xinxia because that is exactly what charkra is based on in a sense, since the author did include the Charkra network which is exactly like meridians and charkra works almost identical to every xinxia novel that uses internal energy, this crap is very hard to explain if you rewatch naruto and analyze you can somehow come to a conclusion.

as for the bonus round it can either go to Deku or Gons team 50/50 since they both have versatility and instant kill moves, as for naruto team they would get stomped even harder, for example, Neji he would be completely useless here because his 64 palms and how it works, this techniques strikes the charkra points or meridians that carry the energy thus making the fighter useless, but this would be useless as Nen has a completely different system than charkra and even if it does have the same network gon is still superhuman even without Nen, when naruto fought neji and lost charkra he became fodder because as i said ninjas do not have a physical training system, 64 palms would be useless against anyone that does not have internal energy or a person who has both a strong body and internal energy like Gon.

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#23 Posted by Skrskr (4009 posts) - - Show Bio

@raziel2014: what you are saying only applies to low level ninjas though, eos naruto tanked an explosion that put a massive hole in the moon with no chakra left in him at all.

There are many eos characters or later arc characters that have incredible durability without defensive amps.

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@raziel2014: what you are saying only applies to low level ninjas though, eos naruto tanked an explosion that put a massive hole in the moon with no chakra left in him at all.

There are many eos characters or later arc characters that have incredible durability without defensive amps.

no they do not, sasuke almost died in the movie against momoshiki due to an explosions heat, naruto could not tank magma while fighting kaguya, naruto nor sasuke could stand up against gravity while kakashi could and as said in the start kakashi had train his body to handle 1 gate and the gravity scene showed it, momoshiki got hurt by a rasengan from boruto because he let his guard down but then any raikage would completely shrug of rasengan without even knowing if it hit or not if coming from a genin.

naruto got stab by sasuke sword without charkra thus naruto has a normal body, if he had anything that could remoetely come close to anything you just said then his body would be harder than steel blocking weapons would be as easy as breathing, naruto has never ever trained his body, what gives him defense is charkra/cloak and sage mode, you cant just give naruto physical qualities stronger than gai and lee when he has never even done anything, naruto and sasuke power ups during the series was never due to physique but just Charkra, there is no such thing as a physique power boost because that will make no sense, physical training is slow and can not be given like charkra. a ninjas power comes from Jutsus and charkra not physiques and anyone saying otherwise has clearly no idea. naruto since the start of shippuuden has had the same physique all the way through the end, the only reason kishi never explained it was because it would just be Hxh all over again with Nen explanation, and the people watching naruto are kids, but kishi has alreayd given us exactly what charkra is and how it works, and explain why lee and gai train their bodies.

kakashi vs obito= Fodder close combat

Naruto vs Sasuke EOS= Fodder close combat

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#26 Posted by oblivion360 (1023 posts) - - Show Bio

@raziel2014: yeah I didn't read all of that

But you do know that gain and Lee uses Chakra to increase their stars as well right? They train their body in order to increase their Chakra and stamina

Wonder woman isn't bullet proof and can be cut, does that mean she doesn't have super strength or durability? The ninjas have shown that they have super human stats with or without Chakra already

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@raziel2014: sasuke almost got cooked by the heat, it had nothing to do with the tiny explosion. He was also operating on basically 0 chakra from opening the portal to that dimension which is why he only put up the sussano ribcage.

Borutos rasengan didn't hurt him, it just surprised them mess out of him because it looked like it dissipated.

Naruto face tanked an explosion without any chakra you carefully don't talk about that, what does stabbing have to do with anything? Characters in one piece are stupid durable yet can be stabbed and hurt by bullets.

I'm not giving him any feats, I'm literally telling you what already happened in the show... naruto was tanking gaara sand bullets as a child which tore though large trees.

Naruto also face tanked momoshikis beast bomb that was going to wipe out the surrounding countries, and it only knocked him out.

Sasuke casually destroyed the bigger half of the meteor that lee who you are praising for his durability failed to destroy with multiple other gate users, he would have to be in the same class of durability to be at the focal point of the explosion which was bigger than what lee did.

You are right on Alot of shinobi abusing defensive techniques, but your notion that they are just human without chakra is baseless.

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@raziel2014: yeah I didn't read all of that

But you do know that gain and Lee uses Chakra to increase their stars as well right? They train their body in order to increase their Chakra and stamina

Wonder woman isn't bullet proof and can be cut, does that mean she doesn't have super strength or durability? The ninjas have shown that they have super human stats with or without Chakra already

sigh, lee and gai train their bodies because they need to be able to survive the load that comes from opening the gates, they need their bones and muscle to become stronger so when they release the restriction from the gates there bones wont break due to the force and power that they are releasing, this is what makes the gates fordidden and why no one trains in it because the time and effort required is too much, a ninja can just extract charkra normally and be strong why take the effort to train the body to surpass the human limit.

ninjas not once had showed superhuman feats without charkra/jutsu, kishi had alreayd made it clear that without charkra ninjas are nothing, what makes a ninja a ninja is charkra without it they are nothing but slightly stronger human beings.

1, Gon wins round 1

2. 50/50 for bonus round with Gon team or Deku Team wining

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#30 Posted by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

@raziel2014: Sasuke straight up piledrivered Naruto from the top of a mountain.No normal human would survive that.

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#31 Posted by oblivion360 (1023 posts) - - Show Bio

@raziel2014: the reason the gates are forbidden is because it kills you. The gates increase the users Chakra far beyond what their body can handle, training their body isn't negating the effects

And in all honesty I don't see your point with this conversation. Naruto will have chakra, so the physical boosts that come with Chakra will be available, and since only base speed is equal naruto out speeds and out guns the gon and deku

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#32 Posted by Sy8000 (36013 posts) - - Show Bio

With equal speed Gon would win all rounds. KN1 Naruto was a raging beast without much intellect.

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@oblivion360: But you said Naruto already starts transformed. So they're equal to Naruto's base speed while Naruto starts with a speed amp? Not really fair.

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#35 Posted by oblivion360 (1023 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: the OP says this in post #7

"oh and base speed is equalized. But if Naruto goes 1 tailed he gets the boost when Gon uses Nen he gets the boost and Deku when using his quirk gets a boost aswell"

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#36 Posted by ChromeDisaster (719 posts) - - Show Bio

Gon and Izuku literally one shots Naruto, he aint got the destructive output nor the durability to last. Gon beats out Izuku only because of One for All's drawbacks on his body. He can only stay Full Cowl for a while and even then when he uses it, he breaks something. Gon 7/10 (Giving young Midoriya the benefit of the doubt). Bonus round is a stomp in HXH favor. Killua's Godspeed Whirlwind and Speed of Lightning blitzes literally everyone here with ease.

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#38 Edited by ChromeDisaster (719 posts) - - Show Bio

@americanspeeddemon: Didn't mean break using full cowl, using One for All period. Sorry for the misleading statement.

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#39 Edited by Mooty_Pass (10681 posts) - - Show Bio

Gon and Deku are the best.....bump Naruto LOL

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#40 Posted by crackshotboi (649 posts) - - Show Bio

round 1: mydoriya/gon

round 2: gon

round 3: gon/naruto

bonus round: Team HxH

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#41 Posted by Kratosx64x (1292 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump to see what others think.

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#42 Edited by Oreo6 (1210 posts) - - Show Bio

I hear ppl saying deku has better stats then 1 tailed Narutp yet 1 tailed Naruto is faster than sound, has been punched ad slammed through multiple stone cliffs and took a sage enhanced chidori punch to the gut and survived.....anyways pretty sure Deku gets oneshot by this Naruto. Deku cant even bypass the cloak thats around Naruto.

This fight is really against gon and Naruto in which case idk but id say Naruto due to better showings.

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#43 Edited by Oreo6 (1210 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont evwn think all might is strong enough to hande 1-tailed Naruto.

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#44 Posted by InfinteGod12 (286 posts) - - Show Bio

Smh to people who think Deku can beat this Naruto, lmao.

Idk why everyone thought he could a couple of years ago.