Golden Frieza vs LSSJ Kale

Kale is 100% bloodlusted. Who wins?

We have yet to see Kale'#s true limits, but my money is on Frieza.

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Frieza

Frieza kills her.

Kale is much stronger and more durable she can slap freiza till his face are no longer golden

@omriamar: what feats does she have he can't replicate? Dealing no damage to Goku despite being bloodlusted?

Freeza

Frieza easily.

@chaos239: her scream was powerful enough to brake the high priest ring + her durability was so high she could walk out a blue goku kamehameha while a single punch from blue goku could ko freiza

@omriamar: Goku was probably holding back a lot. And you are forgetting to mention one punch from Golden Frieza knocked out SSB Goku. You are leaving out crucial details which is a type of fallacy.

Using your logic Kale couldn't knock out ssj2 Goku so Frieza wins because he knocked out SSB Goku in one shot.

Freeza turns Kale into swiss cheese rather easily.

Frieza too soon

It's not LSSJ...<.<

@wolfrazer: Didn't even notice that in the title.

Berzerker! It's a better name too.

Frieza won't play or hold back like Goku, he one shots most likely.

Frieza

She didn't do much damage to Goku, and Freiza's Omega Beam would create a different outcome if she decided to just stand there like she did against Goku SSGSS Kamehameha.

Look at how jiren one shot kale, then remember that goku is going to beat him, and that frieza is the same strength as goku...

@alextheboss: we can't tell if goku was holding back or not but the fact is he was in blue form and just by everyone raction to kale power and the fact she toyed with blue goku is enough to say she can beat freiza that all plan in simple

Goku is rumored to unlock a new form down the road. We know little about Jiren other than the fact he one shotted Kale who no sold Goku's kamehameha.

I'd say Kale wins at the moment but with how inconsistent super is its hard to say.

Hard to say need more info but as of now Frieza

@omriamar: He said, "I'll raise my ki a little more" doesn't sound like he wants to go full power to me, he also didn't even try to fight back.

@jashro44: in the intro it's ssjb goku against jiren, and with ssjb having perfect ki control it's hard to say how much energy goku used against her. the fact kale did no visible damage is good evidence, that points to goku holding back.

The intro doesn't mean much because it also shows goku flying around which isn't allowed in the torunement of power. As for Kale not doing visible damage the fight ends with goku no longer being in his blue form...If anything it was the other way around.

Once again, another battle thread about two characters who we have yet to see their true potential and limits.

Jiren one shotted Kale. Even after that Goku wasn't even a little scared of Jiren and if you go by the dragon ball heroes trailer it is possible Golden Frieza will end up fighting Jiren.

As of now we can't know for sure, but saying Kale is definitely stronger is just flat out wrong.

Frieza. Kale in LSSJ did no damage to Goku and her MLSSJ is even weaker than base LSSJ.

I do t think anyone would say Kale would win against true Gooden Form Frieza with Omega Beam.

I still don't see why people are saying frieza as of now. With how inconsistent super is I agree we need more time but kale was clearly on the winning end against Goku whereas frieza was portrayed as an equal at best with current Goku.

Kale

Frieza easily, its pretty obvious goku was holding back seeing she didn't literally 0 damage to him other then him saying "ouch" and golden frieza been shown ≥ to blue form.

Kale gets's stomped....End of discussion. The only person that would give Frieza a fight from universe 6 is Hit.

this damn kale wank again -_-

"Shall I show you a fate worse than Hell itself?"
-Freeza

@jashro44: the intro was a large part of what started the new form speculation, because of the red aura around what seemed to be base goku, also zeno could always change the rules near the end.

Goku leaving ssjb doesn't mean much, it still takes too much energy, and goku knows he needs to save energy for hit or the remaining pride troopers.

I will acknowledge that jiren could have been holding back in the intro, and the possibility that they just decided not to show goku as damaged, and use him out of ssjb as proof of her strength. I'm just putting high weight on the intro(feats>intro>speculation), and the fact goku knows he needs to conserve energy and didn't have visible damage.

I like how this thread keeps getting bumped, I keep thinking "oh someone arguing for Kale"? "Wait.. nope just more saying Frieza wins"...

We see Berserk Kale walk through a Kamehameha from SSJB Goku, but despite that he acknowledged that he would release a little more power after the initial attempt failed to even stun Berserk Kale. If he said "full power" I'd agree, but given that line and the Kamehameha looking nowhere near as intense as the full powered blasts against say Zamasu or Toppo makes me believe he was releasing nowhere near Blue's full power.

Compare this:

To these:

His beam against Kale was measly in comparison to full powered ones. That and Freeza one punch Koed Blue Goku, while a blood lusted Kale couldn't put down SSJ2 Goku.

@mainjp:

We see Berserk Kale walk through a Kamehameha from SSJB Goku, but despite that he acknowledged that he would release a little more power after the initial attempt failed to even stun Berserk Kale. If he said "full power" I'd agree, but given that line and the Kamehameha looking nowhere near as intense as the full powered blasts against say Zamasu or Toppo makes me believe he was releasing nowhere near Blue's full power.

Actually Goku said he was going to "let out more power" when he powered up to blue.

As for the kamehameha not looking that big I would be hesitant to say that is an indication of power since DBZ characters have always been able to contain there blasts since the android saga at the very least. Even if it wasn't a full power kamehameha I don't see why it wouldn't be a notable feat. Even ignoring Kale walking through the beam when she is holding Goku with one hand he seemed pretty powerless against her.

His beam against Kale was measly in comparison to full powered ones. That and Freeza one punch Koed Blue Goku, while a blood lusted Kale couldn't put down SSJ2 Goku.

Frieza and Goku one punched each other and Beerus than stated they were equals.

@jashro44: tbh he was just fighting her in ssj2 it seems like if anything he meant going from ssj2 into SSB was him letting out more power considering it was at the transformations point.

An to be fair Goku is always holding the guys default is holding back on weaker people, that and he only ever uses what's needed or thinks is needed.

Kale easily. Golden Frieza is just as featless, but there's a HUGE difference in their durability, G Frieza was one-shot by SSJB Goku punch recently and SSJB Goku couldn't do anything to Kale. Stomp.

Alextheboss, can you show him the reaction Freeza had when Kale transformed?

Freeza was laughing while everyone except Jiren was worried/scared. And Freeza isn't the type to laugh if he's outclassed.

Freeza one-punched SSB Goku out of blue. Kale couldn't even hurt a SS2 Goku with full blown hulk smash.

And I believe Herms's translations confirmed that Goku said about releasing "a little more ki".

Also, Goku said wanted to fight Kale after she gets a lot stronger, and that's when their "serious fight" would happen. That confirms Goku was just kidding around.

Freezer

Toppo and Mystic Gohan against Goku where the same. Doing no damage in DBS pure bullshit, their wasn't even a scratch on Kale even after Jiren one-shot her, not even a scratch on the trio brothers even after the final kamehameha hit them.

As for this match, Kale stomps easily

@u_wot_m8:

Toppo and Mystic Gohan against Goku where the same. Doing no damage in DBS pure bullshit, their wasn't even a scratch on Kale even after Jiren one-shot her, not even a scratch on the trio brothers even after the final kamehameha hit them.

We have conformation that Golden Frieza equals SSB Goku, while Goku pretty much said he wasn't using his full power on Kale. He said "I'll release some more power now". To me that means he isn't going all out. Same thing Beerus did to Goku in the BoG arc and movie. In the BoG movie Goku himself even said he started at 80%, and that was against a GoD. I doubt Goku would go right to 100% against Kale. It's out of character.

As for this match, Kale stomps easily

I disagree. I feel like we will find out Frieza is stronger. He will most likely be one of the last fighters standing. I also feel like he may be the one to eliminate all of the U6 siayans.

Frieza with mid difficulty. He knocked out SSB Goku cold with one punch. Despite Kale's onslaught, she didn't hurt him. We've seen Frieza, Black, Hit and Zamasu all manage to harm Goku in blue. Kale couldn't. She has potential but she is not in the same class as the top tiers in the tournament like Jiren (who one shotted her), Frieza, Toppo, Goku, Hit, and Vegeta.

@jashro44:

Actually Goku said he was going to "let out more power" when he powered up to blue.

No, this was a translation error from Crunchyroll itself. ( not surprising considering they use incorrect dub terms.)

A member from Kanzenshuu asked a user who knows Japanese there and Herms, and they confirmed that Goku said '' choto reki ireteikuzo, " meaning '' to release A LITTLE more power.

Herms Answer:

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/889710976848732161

Frieza and Goku one punched each other and Beerus than stated they were equals.

The point is he knocked out Goku with one punch, did he not? Something a raging, rampaging Kale could not.

She couldn't even hurt SSJ2 Goku (or damage his clothes, for that matter), and he came out of that like nothing happened.

In a situation where he's trying to conserve his energy as much as possible, it makes sense why he wouldn't go full power on Kale. I think that if we see SSJB Goku do well against Jiren like the op implies then that'll prove he was holding back immensely.

Even ignoring Kale walking through the beam when she is holding Goku with one hand he seemed pretty powerless against her.

Goku seemed pretty powerless against Tenshinhan during the 22nd Budokai before he revealed he was holding back.