Goku vs Naruto vs Luffy

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#1 Posted by Trololololol (865 posts) - - Show Bio

Pure H2H . No equipment , no cheating , no special abilities (Devil fruit , Ki , Chakra etc) .

Stats that of a normal human .

Who wins ?

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#2 Posted by deactivated-5d065fa72d466 (2222 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku > Naruto > Luffy

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#3 Posted by ShuraGam (438 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto > Goku > Luffy IMO

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#4 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (4379 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto>Goku>Luffy.

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#5 Posted by FaradaySloth (12212 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku>Naruto>Luffy

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#6 Posted by N7Elite (112 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku. People tend to forget that early dragon ball not Z, GT, or Super etc was about the martial art spirit of fighting. It's why Dragon Ball is a classic before Z even started since it heavily relied on the folk lore of Martial arts. Goku's hand to hand combat just as a young boi was fighting in pure 2h2 against Master Roshi after a long drawn out fight. Though more recently Goku has become more of a slugger fighter, his martial arts is still there, and has a vivid memory of copying someone's martial art skills. So reality is Goku if he sees Naruto perform a new form of hand to hand combat he can more than likely replicate it in their fight. Luffy is a none factor here for his devil fruit more times than not is the only reason he ever stands a chance at his fights. Take that away and luffy is just a nobody wannabe pirate. Naruto and Goku have real hand to hand combat experiences though luffy could do some slug punches he will be outgunned in every other category.

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#7 Posted by Gaoron (10114 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku >> Naruto > Luffy

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#8 Posted by Trololololol (865 posts) - - Show Bio

@n7elite: What feats does Goku really have in H2H ? IIRC , even in the original DB , Goku's fights had something to do with superior speed , strength or ki blasts. Goku is usually a very smart fighter and can hang with people much stronger than he is , but that is because he can techniques which aren't allowed here.

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#9 Posted by Eobard21 (6435 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto=Goku>Luffy

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#10 Edited by Gaoron (10114 posts) - - Show Bio

@trololololol: Predicting opponents move before they attempt it (e.g. Beerus, Hit), adapting and countering/coping opponents fighting style (e.g. Roshi, Tien), besting opponents with superior stats with skill (e.g. Caulifa), all feats way superior to Naruto who has next to zero real skill feats. Add to that way more experience/training, more teachers/masters and ability to master techniques that millions of old gods fail to learn (UI).

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#11 Posted by Gaoron (10114 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto>Goku>Luffy.

@eobard21 said:

Naruto=Goku>Luffy

Any arguments that aren't clear fanboyism?

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#14 Edited by N7Elite (112 posts) - - Show Bio
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In OG Dragon Ball speed didn't become more of a theme until the end. for in every battle even against a stronger foe speed wasn't on a large scale and was more infused with their fights. sure they could move faster than the eye could see later but that is why Roshi vs Goku is a good one for this is before loads of ki techniques, and just pure fighting and styles.

That is also like saying a lot of Luffy's and Naruto fights are about speed, and using their charkra/haki to boot.

: Goku and Roshi above were out of Ki energy so we know for a fact there was no speed or any enhancements just pure 2h2 combat

When he fights Krillien to before hand they show good fighting style without much of a speed differences per say or anything big.|

There are brief parts of him just fighting in 2h2 combat that show him with nice reaction time

I'd also argue as far as I can recall I don;t remember weighted clothing to have anything to do with Ki energy so Goku feats during the final arc of Dragon Ball has to be taken into account for in 2h2 hand combat he restricted himself with the weight of about 200 pounds extra. hence the Tien fight was quite a good one since yes speed was the deciding factor, but pure hand to hand combat they were equal.

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#15 Posted by MattyBoi (2895 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku>Naruto>Luffy

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#16 Edited by TakenStew22 (5960 posts) - - Show Bio

@n7elite: Wow even in OG DB Goku's speed was impressive. That thing he did to Krillin to knock him out of the ring, how fast was that? Supersonic, hypersonic?

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#17 Posted by N7Elite (112 posts) - - Show Bio

@takenstew22 it was the illusion technique I think, but yes he had to move very fast to do that and probably hypersonic in that moment. They were moving at FTE speeds later on and soon lightning time to near light speed.:

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#18 Posted by Wot_m8 (2392 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku>>Naruto>>> Luffy since he has shown nearly next to no skill without his DF.

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#19 Posted by N7Elite (112 posts) - - Show Bio

@wot_m8 should just be Goku, and Nartuo rather than Luffy for he is just here for no reason. Unless the wank force is strong.:

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#20 Edited by Laskt (547 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku > Naruto > Luffy

Goku is by far and away the superior martial artist when you take every special ability out of the account. Before he was busting planets Dragon Ball was about martial skill, and Goku was very skilled in this category. Naruto is a pretty good at hand to hand, but it never was a specific regiment of training for him such as training KCM or Sage Mode. He just fought in a ton of battles using it, and kinda learned as he went along.

In comparison, Goku has literally invented a martial arts style on the fly to counter an opponent's (https://imgur.com/a/2e91PS1) and has fought completely blind and only using air currents to judge an opponent's movements (https://imgur.com/a/0wM9Gbx). Goku is just better in this field, pure and simple.

TLDR: Goku has more experience and better showings in pure martial arts, and if Naruto somehow gets ahead Goku can just copy his style/invent a new one to counter it.

Luffy is a non factor considering all of his hand to hand is reliant upon his Devil Fruit/Haki

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#21 Posted by Overwarrior2 (1320 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku>>>>>>>>>Luffy>Naruto.

Goku is a master martial artist by nature. Saiyan's in particular have an innate ability to automatically view and understand a fighting technique. An advance move such as the Kamehameha wave was learned by Goku instantly. Goku is so skilled he can fight with his eyes closed by knowing hearing his opponents footsteps, and feeling shifts in the air. He is just leagues above not just these 2, but 99.99% of any characters in any source in pure H2H skill. Things like Ultra instinct or lesser versions of it demonstrated by Roshi are literally just such extreme martial arts skill that they have trained their bodies to react independent of their thoughts through pure instinct and martial arts experience. I can pull scans from OG DB, and even DB super where Roshi was fighting that really explain this if needed.

Luffy is slightly above Naruto as his fighting style is completely H2H and has way more experience in it unarmed then Naruto. Luffy also is extremely skilled in H2H. His style revolves on his DF, but he has extreme combat instincts. Even before he acquired Observation Haki his instinct for fighting and ability to adapt to H2H combat was incredible.

Naruto is a bit behind Luffy, mainly because he does not really utilize H2H ever in the show from a skill perspective. Frog Kata in sage mode was something he was very proficient in, but that martial arts style not applicable here. Most times he shows basic Taijutsu skills to point even in guidebooks he is only listed as a 3.5/5 at end of series, and a 2 and 1.5 before that. Show me any clips of Naruto using any advanced martial arts techniques at any point outside of basic punches or kicks, let alone combos. Naruto verse as a whole outside of taijutsu specialists prefer to fight with weapons.

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#22 Posted by Laskt (547 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku>>>>>>>>>Luffy>Naruto.

Goku is a master martial artist by nature. Saiyan's in particular have an innate ability to automatically view and understand a fighting technique. An advance move such as the Kamehameha wave was learned by Goku instantly. Goku is so skilled he can fight with his eyes closed by knowing hearing his opponents footsteps, and feeling shifts in the air. He is just leagues above not just these 2, but 99.99% of any characters in any source in pure H2H skill. Things like Ultra instinct or lesser versions of it demonstrated by Roshi are literally just such extreme martial arts skill that they have trained their bodies to react independent of their thoughts through pure instinct and martial arts experience. I can pull scans from OG DB, and even DB super where Roshi was fighting that really explain this if needed.

Luffy is slightly above Naruto as his fighting style is completely H2H and has way more experience in it unarmed then Naruto. Luffy also is extremely skilled in H2H. His style revolves on his DF, but he has extreme combat instincts. Even before he acquired Observation Haki his instinct for fighting and ability to adapt to H2H combat was incredible.

Naruto is a bit behind Luffy, mainly because he does not really utilize H2H ever in the show from a skill perspective. Frog Kata in sage mode was something he was very proficient in, but that martial arts style not applicable here. Most times he shows basic Taijutsu skills to point even in guidebooks he is only listed as a 3.5/5 at end of series, and a 2 and 1.5 before that. Show me any clips of Naruto using any advanced martial arts techniques at any point outside of basic punches or kicks, let alone combos. Naruto verse as a whole outside of taijutsu specialists prefer to fight with weapons.

Fair enough putting Luffy above Naruto, haven't read too deeply into One Piece so I wasn't aware of Luffy having any decent H2H showings

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#23 Posted by Dadpool (616 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku>>>>>Naruto>>Luffy.

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#24 Edited by Overwarrior2 (1320 posts) - - Show Bio

@laskt: I mean he only fights using H2H, and essentially trained in it every day his entire life. His style is extremely unconventional, but what puts him above Naruto is his H2H instincts and experience fighting H2H.

But neither are even close to Goku. He is the elite of the elite in H2H skill.

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#25 Posted by Wot_m8 (2392 posts) - - Show Bio

@overwarrior2: Luffy has no feats without DF. This fight restricts DF. He is literally featless in that regard.

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#26 Posted by deactivated-5d5d8c614fa9a (4113 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku>>naruto>>rubber

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#27 Posted by TheDeathstar (4489 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku erases both of them out of existence and doesn't bother even fighting knowing how noob they are in H2H.

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#28 Posted by Overwarrior2 (1320 posts) - - Show Bio

@laskt Also, Luffy is a combat genius similar to Goku. He instinctively understands H2H fighting styles and adapts to them. He is also very adept at learning new techniques, learning future sight while fighting Katakuri, or learning how to use extremely advanced martial arts techniques such as Soru from observation. This is definitely the aspect of Luffy that is undermined the most because his martial art style is based on his devil fruit, but his martial arts knowledge and skill truly is as good.

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#29 Posted by Overwarrior2 (1320 posts) - - Show Bio

@wot_m8: Like his style uses his DF, but that doesn't change anything I said about him being a natural H2H combat genius either, so he isn't fearless. Like he can't use his DF based techniques, but it doesn't change the fact he is extremely experienced in H2H combat, adapting to opponents H2H, and even without his DF his ability to dodge and read body movements is far superior to that of Naruto who really has no notable H2H skill. Like he isn't Guy or Lee who practice H2H combat regularly.

Now Goku is literally leagues above even Luffy, but i would argue in pure H2H skill there isn't anyone who could beat Goku consistently. This is a guy whose muscle memory is so adept at combat his body reacts automatically without thinking, can read opponents by shifts in air pressure, and completely analyze their fighting style and anticipate their movements within seconds.

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#30 Posted by NarutoUzumakiMedakaKurokami (661 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku > Naruto >>>>>>> Luffy.

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#31 Edited by Overwarrior2 (1320 posts) - - Show Bio

Question for everyone saying Naruto> Luffy.

When has Naruto ever won a single fight through H2H skill? Only real H2H fights he fought were against Neji where he got clowned. Like Naruto wins fights through combos and powerful jutsu. Even in his vs his H2H skill is very average.

Luffy on the other hand is top tier H2H combatant in skill in a more H2H oriented universe. CP9 and Rob Lucci in particular are some of the most adapt martial artists ever, mastering extremely advanced Rokushiki which takes years to learn and is described as the skills that surpass average humans. Luffy learned this , and how to counter it from watching.

I mean really just watch the way Luffy fights, his whole method is about H2H dodging, and countering, his style is unconventional, but theres no doubt he is more experienced in H2H combat then Naruto. Even without Haki he predicts movements and how to counter, and often trades regular punches/ kicks.

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#33 Posted by ThisIsAUsername (315 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku

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#34 Posted by silentNightz (1213 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like I'm not understanding something here....so they're all HUMAN? Same stats for the whole lot, right? Comfortably Goku, better trained in martial arts than Naruto and Luffy. Naruto takes an easy second, and Luffy is naturally last.

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#35 Edited by Laskt (547 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku >>> Luffy >> Naruto with my new info

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#36 Posted by NarutoUzumakiMedakaKurokami (661 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Goku > Naruto >>>> Luffy.

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#37 Edited by Pantheon-slayer (113 posts) - - Show Bio

so.......no one remembering that they are humans in this scenario?, or are narutards, luffytards, gokutards forgetting this?.

anyways. naruto has the most impressive H2H combat feats. so he takes it. followed by goku. then luffy.

i saw someone saying kid goku had lightspeed. this thread is great

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#38 Posted by CaoCao (2558 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku > Naruto >>>> Luffy:

Goku is a highskilled mixed martial arts fighter, even as a human. Naruto is a shinobi, so even he is a highskilled fighter.

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#39 Edited by Pantheon-slayer (113 posts) - - Show Bio

@n7elite: none of those techniques can be replicated with a normal human body = no ki.

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#40 Edited by Pantheon-slayer (113 posts) - - Show Bio

@caocao said:

Goku > Naruto >>>> Luffy:

Goku is a highskilled mixed martial arts fighter, even as a human. Naruto is a shinobi, so even he is a highskilled fighter.

reasons why Goku > naruto?. naruto has actual martial art feats while goku's one relay in his ki power, so.......and they are impossible to replicate with a normal human body. so they are as good as no existing.

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#41 Posted by Pantheon-slayer (113 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like I'm not understanding something here....so they're all HUMAN? Same stats for the whole lot, right? Comfortably Goku, better trained in martial arts than Naruto and Luffy. Naruto takes an easy second, and Luffy is naturally last.

all of them are normal humans in this setting. goku never showed any kind of martial art that can be replicated with a normal human body.

while naruto did.

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#42 Edited by CaoCao (2558 posts) - - Show Bio

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@caocao said:

Goku > Naruto >>>> Luffy:

Goku is a highskilled mixed martial arts fighter, even as a human. Naruto is a shinobi, so even he is a highskilled fighter.

reasons why Goku > naruto?. naruto has actual martial art feats while goku's one relay in his ki power, so.......and they are impossible to replicate with a normal human body. so they are as good as no existing.

Because he trained nearly his whole life and was trained from martial arts masters not only using his Ki powers. He absolved tournaments and fight against skilled fighters. Of course we all can say those martial arts only works with Ki, since it is relevant in DB, but by that logic Naruto can´t use his martial art feats without chakra.

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#43 Posted by Gaoron (10114 posts) - - Show Bio

@pantheon-slayer: Goku is an actual martial artist and has skill feats, Naruto doesn't, all of his fighting styles depend on clones and chakra which he doesn't have here. The only debate here is Luffy vs Naruto but Naruto as adult should edge the fight out.

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#44 Posted by CaoCao (2558 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron said:

@pantheon-slayer: Goku is an actual martial artist and has skill feats, Naruto doesn't, all of his fighting styles depend on clones and chakra which he doesn't have here. The only debate here is Luffy vs Naruto but Naruto as adult should edge the fight out.

Well, Luffy is more a brawler, right? Don´t see how he could beat Naruto.

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#45 Posted by ArranVid (2860 posts) - - Show Bio

@n7elite said:

Goku. People tend to forget that early dragon ball not Z, GT, or Super etc was about the martial art spirit of fighting. It's why Dragon Ball is a classic before Z even started since it heavily relied on the folk lore of Martial arts. Goku's hand to hand combat just as a young boi was fighting in pure 2h2 against Master Roshi after a long drawn out fight. Though more recently Goku has become more of a slugger fighter, his martial arts is still there, and has a vivid memory of copying someone's martial art skills. So reality is Goku if he sees Naruto perform a new form of hand to hand combat he can more than likely replicate it in their fight. Luffy is a none factor here for his devil fruit more times than not is the only reason he ever stands a chance at his fights. Take that away and luffy is just a nobody wannabe pirate. Naruto and Goku have real hand to hand combat experiences though luffy could do some slug punches he will be outgunned in every other category.

Meh classic is a stretch, Journey To The West is a true classic, not the Dragonball series imo. The Dragonball series is great fun and its exciting but maybe not a classic.

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#46 Posted by Gaoron (10114 posts) - - Show Bio

@caocao: Ye, more or less. That's why I think Naruro would win. But skill gap between Naruto and Luffy is smaller than gap between Goku and Naruto imo.

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#47 Posted by CaoCao (2558 posts) - - Show Bio

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@caocao: Ye, more or less. That's why I think Naruro would win. But skill gap between Naruto and Luffy is smaller than gap between Goku and Naruto imo.

Yes, i see it the same way

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#48 Posted by BaldorTheSlow (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku stomps

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#49 Edited by Pantheon-slayer (113 posts) - - Show Bio

@caocao said:
@pantheon-slayer said:
@caocao said:

Goku > Naruto >>>> Luffy:

Goku is a highskilled mixed martial arts fighter, even as a human. Naruto is a shinobi, so even he is a highskilled fighter.

reasons why Goku > naruto?. naruto has actual martial art feats while goku's one relay in his ki power, so.......and they are impossible to replicate with a normal human body. so they are as good as no existing.

Because he trained nearly his whole life and was trained from martial arts masters not only using his Ki powers. He absolved tournaments and fight against skilled fighters. Off course we all can say those martial arts only works with Ki, since it is relevant in D B, but by that logic Naruto can´t use his martial art feats without chakra.

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i still don't see any feats of a martial art that can be replicated with a normal human body for goku.

sorry to burst your bubble, but the stuff in naruto are actual martial arts

gentle fist = Baguazhang

Konoha's martial art = jeet kune doo and etc, naruto has the feats that are humanly replicable, goku does not

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naruto > goku > luffy

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#50 Edited by Pantheon-slayer (113 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron said:

@pantheon-slayer: Goku is an actual martial artist and has skill feats, Naruto doesn't, all of his fighting styles depend on clones and chakra which he doesn't have here. The only debate here is Luffy vs Naruto but Naruto as adult should edge the fight out.

feats or get out.

must be humanly replicable, your claim of naruto not having the feats was addressed above.