Goku VS Naruto VS Ichigo VS Meliodas VS Luffy H2H

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#201  Edited By Dmnb2wavy

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“I woud like to see any feat from goku to being able to destroy more than a mountain or an island.

Entire dbz scaling stand on the only planet lv feat in the series , thats happend nearly at the begining.

The planet busting thing coud be an outlier if we consider that that was the only one feat on planet lv , and as i remember there was only one moon lv feat.

1 planet lv and 1 moon lv feat coud considered as outliers , since there are only statemants after them , and both of the feats happend at the begining of the series.“

this does not make much sense.

the planet lvl feat that Frieza did is a huge plot point in the series ( aka the whole reason why their is a few saiyans left and why goku is even on earth in the first place) to call it outlier would be ignoring a huge part of dbz lore. Plus we see the feat again in the broly movie

also there are 2 moon feats actually and 3 or 2 planet feats if you count filler. Anyway the fact that there are statements shows it’s not a outlier

“Their feats show otherwise.

While two star lv character fight at full power , the minimum after effect is the destruction of a planet , tho i didnt saw anything like that while reading dbz.”

oh yeah the classic area of effect argument. Okay so let’s get two more characters who we consider star lvl or above mainly super boy prime and ion. These two characters are at least considered solar system lvl or galaxy lvl and yet their fight didn’t even shake a planet so I guess they are what moon lvl? This is why area of effect fails it’s not a good argument.

also hello the fight on namek? Goku and Frieza fight destroyed a planet

“The first time we saw a character destroying a planet by physical , is in dbs , beerus and champa.”

you do realize physicals scale to Their energy right? Otherwise they would not be able to damage each other. unless you think namek Frieza can hurt ss3 goku with a punch.

“Also goku never destroyed anything like a planet with physical , neither villains , in dbz.”

really doesn’t matter honestly. Their energy scales to their physical power otherwise no matter the ki lvl they would always get damaged by a punch from someone

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@el_mago: Those are anime only, aren't they?

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#205  Edited By El_mago
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@sagathelegend: only the galaxy one

the planet feat appears on the manga as well

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@madrus17: @epichotflame: @sagathelegend:

Just ignore Mwarren, this guy is has done literally nothing but troll and insult people since he made his account

Just ignore him and call the mods

That's my advice to you guys

hmm i was just ignoring him but if he utters an insult again, then ill will tag a mod

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@madrus17: he is a bigger troll than me.

no u r more troll than him, trolls r annoying just like u r

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"Frieza could survive the explosion of a large planet while completely drained of Ki, missing multiple parts of his body, and on his last legs (at the very least a small planet durability in blunt but really is large planet in blunt force durability) and goku strikes we’re wrecking him. That scaling puts goku far ahead anyone here in AP with his strikes."

This, I don't know how many times I have to say this.

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#211  Edited By El_mago

@sagathelegend: ok but even if the galaxy one is filler of the anime is still impressive considering the previous incarnation of buu

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#212  Edited By SagaTheLegend

@el_mago: Not sure why we are bringing that feats thought. This is just Namek Goku hehe

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@sagathelegend: still that version possibly clears the only real menace in this is meliodas

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i thought super finaly shut down the AoE freaks.

no matter how strong db characters get, you still will rarely get feats.

champa and beerus casualy destroyed planet while fighting , yet 12 GoDs didnt destroy a tiny arena.

I thought the broly movie completely destroyed the AoE freaks?

> first form frieza casualy destroys planet vegeta while chilling.

> bloodlusted broly who shits on ssb destroyed rocks with countless ki blasts.

the funny thing is , you dont need super or the broly movie to realize this.

its literaly been like that since start of dbz lmao.

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@oreo6 said:

@epichotflame: Couldnt have said it better myself. DBZ fans love asking for feats when 90% of there characters don't have any. Hell, the only reason cell is regarded as solar system is cause of a statement, not a feat. Even raditz who people love to say solos this or that verse doesn't have a feat of blowing up a planet. Or even a mouantin if i recall. Grand priest is literally one of the weakest characters in the verse featwise as well as most of the angles. Scratch that, ALL of the angels.

No fanbase is more hypocritical than DBZ fans. Thats facts and theres TONS of feats to back that up 😂

fr tho its annoying asf, since they love using statements and scaling then other verse can aswell

which makes obito planetary

madara planetary

kinshiki planetary

momoshiki who was stated to be more powerful than kaguya who had the potential to destroy her 6 dimsions with sun, moon and stars residing in it, makes he solar system lvl, which makes momo atleast solar system+

naruto who defeated someone who could slice a moon by accident (and can repeatedly do that if wants, i dont see how he cant do that) and was planning on destroying earth, which make naruto atleast planetary lvl by "scaling"

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@raziel2014 said:

lots of people here that dont understand the power system of DBZ sigh.

be it striking power or defense or KI beams there are all the same since they are using the same power source/Ki, Ki techniques just increase the Power levle/Ki of the user when they are use so they get a boost which is why they use them as finishers, Kamehameha for example can make goku go from 400PL to 900+ instead of a punch at 400 PL, as long as Goku is utilizing Ki his punches carry the same power as Ki blast so does his defense, when he does not use ki defense then his body takes the blunt force of any attack this is how you get what people call BS/Pis moments like goku getting pierce by a laser gun, is not PIS is just people not understanding how KI works.

Goku can crush PLanet+ ki blast with his bare hands so can frieza.

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crushing a planet energy blast doesnt mean u have planet physicals lol

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#218  Edited By Arthur_Morgan

no amount of statements will make obito planet level.

good luck with that.

CV is filled with denial , no acceptance, desperation, bias , misinterpretations , lack of common sense etc.

sad.

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#220  Edited By EpicHotFlame

@arthur_morgan said:

no amount of statements will make obito planet level.

good luck with that.

CV is filled with denial , no acceptance, desperation, bias , misinterpretations , lack of common sense etc.

sad.

lol i know, by staements, he is planetary but by feats (unlike db) he is country+...but have no idea y dbverse with statements, no feats and scaling are accepted commonly but not other animeverses?

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@epichotflame: you guys are desperate as Fuck.

lmao, no im not being desperate, u dbtards accept scaling and statements and no panel feats in ur verse, so y not other animeverses?

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#222  Edited By SagaTheLegend

@epichotflame: Well if the statements don't contradict the feats, they are fine. What are those planet level Obito statements?

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#224  Edited By Arthur_Morgan

@epichotflame: it depends on what kind of statement.

vegeta stated twice he is gonna destroy earth.

than a third time when he wanted to turn into oozaru.

thats where it stops to be a hyperbole.

and him going up to make sure goku doesnt dodge the atack and goku can sense ki so he didnt simply try to dodge.

not to mention weaker characters can destroy the moon and as casual as you can be lifting two fingers creating explosion that can be seen from space.

common sense also plays a role.

im tired of this bullshit tbh.

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@epichotflame: Well if the statements don't contradict the feats, they are fine. What are those planet level Obito statements?

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the databook also confirms this but i dont have the scan unfortunately

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#227  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator  Online

LMFAO at Goku's punches against Beerus being country+ level. The Dragon Ball lowballing is pathetic.

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@mwarren100: 3rd warning for personal insults, you're out of here.

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@epichotflame: it depends on what kind of statement.

vegeta stated twice he is gonna destroy earth.

than a third time when he wanted to turn into oozaru.

thats where it stops to be a hyperbole.

and him going up to make sure goku doesnt dodge the atack and goku can sense ki so he didnt simply try to dodge.

not to mention weaker characters can destroy the moon and as casual as you can be lifting two fingers creating explosion that can be seen from space.

common sense also plays a role.

im tired of this bullshit tbh.

explain cell's solar system destroy statement

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goku can sense ki and was actualy worried and tried to block it instead dodging.

common sense is rare here.

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@arthur_morgan said:

@epichotflame: it depends on what kind of statement.

vegeta stated twice he is gonna destroy earth.

than a third time when he wanted to turn into oozaru.

thats where it stops to be a hyperbole.

and him going up to make sure goku doesnt dodge the atack and goku can sense ki so he didnt simply try to dodge.

not to mention weaker characters can destroy the moon and as casual as you can be lifting two fingers creating explosion that can be seen from space.

common sense also plays a role.

im tired of this bullshit tbh.

explain cell's solar system destroy statement

Simple scaling.

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#233  Edited By EpicHotFlame
@takenstew22 said:

LMFAO at Goku's punches against Beerus being country+ level. The Dragon Ball lowballing is pathetic.

i nver said the clash was country+ pls re read wat i said before yh 50% of that power isnt still planetary cuz like i said they had to keep clashing, not like 1 clash = destroyed universe (it will take continous clashes to destroy the universe) which means goku cant 1 shot a planet nor universe with 50% of that clash therefore he isnt planetary by feats, that clash puts goku on country+ lvl of bursting with 1 hit which is still impressive cuz that puts his strength at country+ lvl and for his attacks, havent seen any destroy planets nor countries...

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Still a spite

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#236  Edited By EpicHotFlame

@takenstew22 said:
@epichotflame said:
@arthur_morgan said:

@epichotflame: it depends on what kind of statement.

vegeta stated twice he is gonna destroy earth.

than a third time when he wanted to turn into oozaru.

thats where it stops to be a hyperbole.

and him going up to make sure goku doesnt dodge the atack and goku can sense ki so he didnt simply try to dodge.

not to mention weaker characters can destroy the moon and as casual as you can be lifting two fingers creating explosion that can be seen from space.

common sense also plays a role.

im tired of this bullshit tbh.

explain cell's solar system destroy statement

Simple scaling.

guessing u can do that to other animeverse then like momo who scales above solar system kaguya

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#237 takenstew22  Moderator  Online

@takenstew22 said:
@epichotflame said:
@arthur_morgan said:

@epichotflame: it depends on what kind of statement.

vegeta stated twice he is gonna destroy earth.

than a third time when he wanted to turn into oozaru.

thats where it stops to be a hyperbole.

and him going up to make sure goku doesnt dodge the atack and goku can sense ki so he didnt simply try to dodge.

not to mention weaker characters can destroy the moon and as casual as you can be lifting two fingers creating explosion that can be seen from space.

common sense also plays a role.

im tired of this bullshit tbh.

explain cell's solar system destroy statement

Simple scaling.

guessing u can do that to other animeverse then like momo who scales above solar system kaguya

Sure.

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@epichotflame: if she is solar system level than why not?

no1 is saying you cant scale.

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Multi planetary mimihagi lol

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Naruto and Ichigo wreck everyone here fxckin retards

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@alextheboss:

I’m not questioning Ichigo’s physical strength, I’m questioning his skill.

Most of those are a testament to his skill. With examples like fighting against Ressurected Grimmjow‘s abnormal fighting style and Gin’s jab like attacks being good feats too.

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@epichotflame said:
@takenstew22 said:
@epichotflame said:
@arthur_morgan said:

@epichotflame: it depends on what kind of statement.

vegeta stated twice he is gonna destroy earth.

than a third time when he wanted to turn into oozaru.

thats where it stops to be a hyperbole.

and him going up to make sure goku doesnt dodge the atack and goku can sense ki so he didnt simply try to dodge.

not to mention weaker characters can destroy the moon and as casual as you can be lifting two fingers creating explosion that can be seen from space.

common sense also plays a role.

im tired of this bullshit tbh.

explain cell's solar system destroy statement

Simple scaling.

guessing u can do that to other animeverse then like momo who scales above solar system kaguya

Sure.

yh and naruto who scales above toneri who sliced the moon by accident (and that same attack can convert to a blast) and was planning to destroy earth

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@ecoblitz said:

Multi planetary mimihagi lol

multi planetary what??...O.o

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@epichotflame:

People call him that because he stopped the 3 Realms, ( Which are at least Planet Sized ) from collapsing!

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Anime Goku punched away a planet buster. Real quality thread here m8

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#247  Edited By Madrus17

This thread is just purely cancerous, multi-planetary physicals ichigo, country level + DBS Goku and now luffy is > super saiyan 1 Goku in Physicals.

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Why are people bringing Buu and DBS feats ? We are talking about SSJ Goku from the Namek Saga.