@rikuyamaha: Shouldn't she have better combat speed and reactions though. Dhe scales from Rimuru and Veldora who could perceive light waves hitting one particle to another. This isn't even including the million times increment in speed with Thought Acceleration. Goku is fast but I don't think he is light wave perception fast.
@rikuyamaha: Shouldn't she have better combat speed and reactions though. Dhe scales from Rimuru and Veldora who could perceive light waves hitting one particle to another. This isn't even including the million times increment in speed with Thought Acceleration. Goku is fast but I don't think he is light wave perception fast.
well considering in round 1, shes not allowed to use any of her powers but her physicals, that excludes her thought acceleration. round 2, she can use that
@xanman2000: Mui Goku is at least universal scalling from Gods of Destruction. If we go by the manga he should have at least FTL to MFTL speed scalling from the likes of Beerus
He and Beerus created shockwaves that would be a threat to the universe with time in a single clash. That is definitely physicals and not ki blast
@johnsmjs36: Never being replicated again has nothing to do with it being ki or physicals. It was clearly stated as being an impact (at least in the manga) and never as being a ki blast or anything like that.
And if you are thinking I am downplaying then purely on Energy Attacks I rate MUI Goku at Universal. Its just that they are not impressive in physical strength.
@xanman2000: Mui Goku is at least universal scalling from Gods of Destruction. If we go by the manga he should have at least FTL to MFTL speed scalling from the likes of Beerus
He and Beerus created shockwaves that would be a threat to the universe with time in a single clash. That is definitely physicals and not ki blast
@rikuyamaha: hmmm well from what I have learned Goku takes r1 and r2 can go either way(but milim has the advantage due to hax) and it really comes down to speed and if Goku can blitz her before she uses her hax so ima give the majority to milim in r2
@johnsmjs36: At least in the manga? Yes. The anime version is really weird with some details.
The shockwaves are generated by their Ki Enhanced Punches, I see no mention of Ki Energy Blasts.
Ans of course, every attack Goku does has Ki properties just to be clear, physical or energy alike. He uses ki to increase his stats, if you take take that away, Goku is building level at best.
When will people learn that ki is a life force? There's no such thing as 'pure physical strength', every living being in the verse has ki, just not everybody can manipulate it enough to become superhuman. There's no such thing as no ki Goku, no ki Goku is a corpse, you can restrict ki blasts like TC did but taking away ki as a whole makes Goku dead by default.
When will people learn that ki is a life force? There's no such thing as 'pure physical strength', every living being in the verse has ki, just not everybody can manipulate it enough to become superhuman. There's no such thing as no ki Goku, no ki Goku is a corpse, you can restrict ki blasts like TC did but taking away ki as a whole makes Goku dead by default.
this^^
Ki in DBZ is made of Genki = vitality/lifeforce Yuki = Courage/will and Shoki = mind / consciousness.
Take all that away from Goku and you got yourself a Dead man.
When will people learn that ki is a life force? There's no such thing as 'pure physical strength', every living being in the verse has ki, just not everybody can manipulate it enough to become superhuman. There's no such thing as no ki Goku, no ki Goku is a corpse, you can restrict ki blasts like TC did but taking away ki as a whole makes Goku dead by default.
this^^
Ki in DBZ is made of Genki = vitality/lifeforce Yuki = Courage/will and Shoki = mind / consciousness.
Take all that away from Goku and you got yourself a Dead man.
Y'all seem to be misunderstanding the term of pure Physicals. It does not take away ki, it simply means no hax, magic, weapons or blasts. If it's so bad, I'll just rename it.
WTF MUI Goku curbstomps lol! MiIlim Nava is only Solar System + in AP while MUI Goku is Universal+ ....Literally just one hit will kill her billions of times over...
Also, her time freeze is useless on Goku because he has already learnt to resist Time Hax after fighting Hit.
Speedwise, Goku is already quadrillions of times FTL in SSG form based on how Beerus crossed multiple galaxies within like 30 minutes. MUI Goku is at least 1000 times faster than that (scaling from SSBx50 and Kaioken X20 multipliers), making him at least quintillions of times FTL.
Make this SSG Goku and it still is a spitematch lol.
A better battle for this would be Buu Saga SS3 Goku vs Milim Nava because Buu Saga SS3 Goku is Solar system + as well...
It has already been shown multiple times in DBZ and DBS that haxes are useless if your opponent's AP is too much lower than yours. For Milim Nava's haxes to work on Goku, she needs to be about the same in Goku as AP or Goku would outright resist it.
@ebitan: lots of people underestimate milim's abilities because they don't scale power correctly. Milim is insanely powerful at 10% she produced power that trumphed supernovas as it was said that lucia would survive even if a star exploded making her punches at 10% more powerful than a supernova. If you were to scale her at 100% she would most likely be multi universal and with wrathful king sataniel she is most likely multi universal + as her anger turns into mana and her mana turns into anger and since she has the infinite mana breeder reactor unless she is stopped she would eventually become insanely insanely powerful. Also milim handles the speed difference with her being able to manipulate the law of inertia itself making goku come to a halt. Also I don't think people understand how fast tssdk characters are as most are mftl+ with time stop and ftl+ without it. People must remember that at the walpurgis banquet shion punched demon lord clayman 300 times in 1 second showing even before time stop or 10,000,000 times acceleration of the mind tssdk characters had speed in punching surpassing mui goku's punching speed because we have seen how fast he punches in one second it was 4 to 5 times in a second meaning not even close to shion's or milim's punching by comparison as you should know milim is far above shion in speed and power. Next in abilities goku doesn't compare as milim would obliterate him with her skill dragon nova. Now this skill erases the opponents existence. Her law inertia manipulation ability which can bring motion to a complete halt. She then has popstardust magic which she used to create dragon nova. She is the the only one who has this magic as she is the the daughter of veldanava the one who created the great spirits that embody the concepts of the world, the voice of the world that has authority over even him as it gives them their skills, and the true dragons which are essentially giant dragons that are immortal and infinitely reincarnating gods.This power alone could destroy goku in an instant as it destroys the targets very existence destroying goku's soul, spiritual essence, and physical body ultimately giving milim the win.
FTL+ - MFTL+ won't get you passed Buu arc, they were MHS+ way back in the Saiyan saga and are literally millions of times stronger at the end of the frieza arc, let alone cell and Buu arc
- law of interia, Goku shattered a time dimension in just SSB WAY BACK
_ Existence Erasure......base Goku withstood that
Mui goku punches 4-4X per second? Kid Krillin and roshi had an entire fight in 1/5 a second
I am nort seeing anything that makes goku go beyond SSG/SSB
@jaakor: 10% supernova woont get you to universal+ at 100%**
She scales to be able to fight Veldora and Veldavana, both universal to Universal+ threats(more so Veldavana due to him creating one multiverse)
FTL+ - MFTL+ won't get you passed Buu arc, they were MHS+ way back in the Saiyan saga and are literally millions of times stronger at the end of the frieza arc, let alone cell and Buu arc
Lol what? How does it not get past buu arc?
- law of interia, Goku shattered a time dimension in just SSB WAY BACK
How does resisting timestop equal to stopping interia? Even so, Milim powers work on people even in time stop just to let you know.
Existence Erasure......base Goku withstood that
Scan?
Anyway, for context, ill send on what milim can do.
Hax
One of Milims most powerful assets in this battle, as Milim is known as one of the most powerful demon lords to exist(besides Rimuru Of course). with that being said, she is also a True dragon, a Chaotropic level of power which can threaten entire planets.
but as all demon lords, Milim can shift between having a Physical or Spiritual body on a whim if she ever feels like it. she can also passively fly whenever she feels like, giving her a great aerial advantage.
but going by the concept of passive abilities, she also has her [Dragons Eye], which allows her to see all abilities and skills of a opponent, along with the hidden or suppressed power of thoses she views.
Even Rimuru, who is so well at hiding his immense demonic energy was spotted instantly by the dragons eye. so any ability or hidden or secret move that requires energy that threatens Milim, she will see it coming and can prepare for it nigh instantly.
she has a small amount of Mind Hax, as she was able to Hack into Rimurus Thought process with little to no difficulty. Rimurus Thought process is protected By great sage that automatically counters Any mind tricks, but Milim was able to overcome it without any effort.
Even Rimuru comments it takes a absurdly high level of skill to break into His [Thought Transmission], which allows absolute protection over his mind.
Likewise, Milim also has massive resistance to mind manipulation due to resisting Clayman's puppeteer magic, which takes perfect, absolute control over the opponents senses and mind.
This is Impressive due to the fact that Clayman is all so a Demon Lord of the "same caliber" as milim.
But before going into her main abilities, lets go over her Gifted abilities she gained from being a subordinate of rimurus.
the first thing she has gained is [Thought Acceleration]
this allows her to perceive stuff by 1000X her normal perception, which is absolutely ridiculous considering her speed which i'll get to.
she also gained the abilities of [Spacial Domination] and [Defense Barrier]
[Spacial Domination] allows instantaneous travel possible(basically teleportation) and a absolute defensive barrier that blocks Anything the user wishes as it is made of multi-layered barrier which creates absolute defense by making use of dimensional gaps to block against any attacks.
but going back to [Spacial Domination], it also allows Anyone with it to use a form of time stop.
When it mentions the world, it is referring to the universe as the kanjis in japaneses look immensely similar, but this is also supported by multiple instances of the world being in referral to the universe.
but going out of how the kanji is spelt, In time stop, The user is able to move over 10000X while the world is stopped.
she can move in it over 10000X, giving her a massively MFTL+ type movement speed inside the time stop.
The other thing about this time stop is that only spiritual lifeforms can move inside of it, as stated here.
not even light can move in this time stop, along with anything physical. it also prevents any magic from being sent, with the small exception of primitive magic.
Primitive Magic is a special kind of magic that manifests the users will into a strong spiritual magic.
but still going with the theme of shared abilities, she also gained the resistances of rimuru, which are the following abilities.
With the shared abilities, she has resistance/Nullications to Physical attacks on her level, Natural element attacks, abnormal status effects, mental attacks, hybrid attacks, spiritual attacks and holy magic attacks.
now, lets get into some juicy parts, like her own hax.
The first being her power over inertia.
with this, while she was flying at high speeds, she was able to erase it completely before landing, and its also implied that she can use this upon enemies to stop them from going faster then her.
she allso has a [Magic Generator].
this generator allows milim to replenish her energy and magic infinitely times more than rimuru could. this pretty much gives her a limitless supply of magical energy to pull from.
She also has A move Called [Dragon Nova]
Its the ultimate form of [Gravity Collapse], which is able to cause black holes at contact with something. Milim was able to perfect it into a supernova type explosion, which can and will cause black holes to spawn onto the opponent after the supernova explodes.
Now here comes Milims special and ultimate ability. her ultimate ability is called [Wrathful King Satan].
How the ability works is it converts her anger towards the opponent into more energy. basically think of the hulks ability of anger, now convert that Xfinity, that's what King Satan does in regards to how the ability works.
So with this energy, along with her Magic Generator, she has Infinite energy to use from, so she will NEVER tire into this battle.
Strength
At first glance, you might be thinking this lolita gothic type girl has little to no strength to pull from, but that type of thinking with Milim will get you killed, as Milim is one of the most physically strong characters in the verse. her Physical skill and her purely destructive strength gives her the advantage in almost any hand to hand fight.
but for one, her Drago Buster(not to be confused with dragon nova) was able to, and would have reshaped the entire geography of the Jura forest, for your knowledge, it takes serveral days to travel through the Jura forest, not counting the countless monsters and hills to disburd the journey.
the drago buster complete eats away at any forms of regeneration whiles its force is able to reshape a entire forest with a casual blast. it was so fast that not even the great sage, who has thought acceleration was not able to tell what was going on.
now for Dragon nova, where a HEAVILY restricted Milim unleashed it, she was able to erase the entirely of a large castle and the mountain behind it, leaving nothing behind.
it could be implied that dragon nova nulls any resistance to it, but for the sake of fairness, i'll restrict it to say its pretty much existence eraser. but nonetheless, she was able to destroy a large castle and a nearby mountain while heavily restricted from using her powers.
now, here is one feat that can cause some trouble.
the simple act of transforming was able to shake the world, now you can take this as a hyperbole, but considering her feats im about to show to support it, its heavily unlikely that it is.
she is superior to any arc demon, in which even the lowest of theses demons are able to destroy a country with little to no effort.
she is allso superior to carrena, which her power was able to completely wipe out a span of ships that took up a entire continent.
And this was from the initial shockwave of the attack.
she is allso vastly superior to Karion, whos able to break the walls of the [Arena] with little to no effort.
Being over 10,000 harder then concrete, its able to casually tank hits from drago nova and the likes of Rimurus Massive array of Nuclear attacks, which are stated to destroy the worlds. but even then, Karion even comments he stands no match to Milim, even in a fair fight.
she is allso vastly superior to Leon as well, as lean is able to A country with no effort.
but theses all are weak sauce compared to the final two.
Milim is Also superior to Zegion, a being of immense power. Zegion, along with the help of two others, was able to create a black hole so strong, its only similar property to compare it too was the big bang that created the universe.
and this magic was contained in a ultimate dimensional shield, which Milim has access to.
another remarkable feat of Milims is being able to break though [Castle Walls] with a casual punch.
now, you must be thinking, what is so remarkable about that? well, theses castle walls are strong enough to withstand the force of literal exploding stars without damage. and it allso reflects and counters ANY kind of attack with no effect being left to the walls.
and Milim was able to break this guard, with only 10% of her power.
This puts her Attack potency and DC well on SS level, even greater in 100%
now speaking of her king, after activating [Wrathful King Satan] she was able to fight on par with Veldavana who was previously superior to Milim at 10%.
now Velda was massively superior to Milim while she was at 10%, as seen here.
With theses feats, in her 10% form, she is comfortably at solar systems lecel of power without much effort, and in her [wrathful king Satan] form, she is at least universal in terms of strength with lowball.
Speed
I will say, there is not much to go over about Milim in the speed department, as most of her speed feats either are kinda unimpressive or scales massively above other people. But regarding her speed, she is no slouch when it comes to it.
she was able to swat away Ranga, who was moving beyond lightning speeds, without even moving from her place she landed.
as we know, lightning travels at around 320,000,000 ft per second or about 220,000,000 miles per hour (about 1/3 the speed of light), which is pretty good considering Milim was not even paying attention to ranga while all of this was happening.
but this is massively faster then Guy, who is easily able to move at mach 20 without trouble.
Milim as i stated, it massively faster then Guy. But guy is comparable to Chloe, and chloe has some amazing speed feats in of herself.
Chloe was able to react to Hinatas Melt Slash, which travels at FTL speeds.
This is where she dodged it.
Since this is hinatas fastest attack, that means its faster than disintegration, which moves at SoL speeds.
This should put Milim at Around FTL in base form, with her physical strength/speed being amped by Satan, that would put her released form at FTL+.
and with time stop, she is able to move MFTL+ with no effort while their opponents movement is zero.
Durability/Endurance
Milim is able to resist Karions [Beast Roar] without so much as a scratch, with that move being a sure to kill instant kill move.
milim even laughed on how pathetic the attack was.
she is even able to handle and fight Guy on even terms for seven days and nights, without being exhausted. and this was all in her 10% base form.
although she was unconscious at the time, it is still massively impressive due to guy being on par or even greater than the Storm Dragon Veldora. Veldora being able to easily wipe out solar bodies with no effort.
She is allso able to withstand the power of [Dark Flames] with no effort.
For Context, Milim let herself be captured by [Demon String], which is string 10X harder then steel, and was surrounded by a barrier to keep in the [Black Flames], and after it subsided, she was left completely unharmed. for more context, this is how powerful [Black Flames] is.
1,500 degrees is about as hot as lava, and each little spark of fire is about that temp.
Now going with how the scaling works in the series, she is comparable to other true dragons, due to having True dragon blood in her.
and as the true dragons go, there durability and strength and etc and all very connected to one another. and as i stated, she is very comparable to Veldora, who was able to survive being inside a Black Hole.
This is not just any normal black hole, it just doesn't suck up matter and brings destruction, its basically a massive existence eraser due to it and i quote "impossible for them to preserve their own existence" and it broke though dimentions and effects their real world with "Transcendental destruction". Veldora was able to survive this , but not unharmed.
Now if this is not enough to convince you that she has comparable durability, then how about this. a being much weaker then Milim was able to tank without effort a black hole from four of the strongest beings in the universe. it was so weak in comparison to the pet dragon that it even chuckled.
This should put Milims Durability at universal levels with her Endurance to last more then 7 days and nights without slowing down.
now if you still wanna deny that Milim doesn't have that type of durability, Rimuru(one of the smartest in the verse) flat out states that this dragon is one of the weakest compared to the others.
Now mix in the fact the got massive amounts of durability STACKED onto her resistances and nullifications, this makes Milim immensely hard to put down.
With the shared abilities, she has resistance/Nullications to Physical attacks on her level, Natural element attacks, abnormal status effects, mental attacks, hybrid attacks, spiritual attacks and holy magic attacks
1) hax, not much there tbh, readininds,ond resistance and barriers are all well and good, her time stop is actually her accelerating time around her to thousands of times where everything appears frozen, this won't affect someone as fast as or faster than she is
2) power....the best i saw there was relating to the big bang, even if she is universal+....Goku after absorbing the SSG energy and powering up to super Saiyan, was hitting beerus with enough force to bust the universe (and DB universe is bigger than a normal one, over 2X bigger).
By Return of frieza arc, not only was Goku exponentially more powerful but he now has his super Saiyan blue which is a 50X increase.....so he was comfortably at multi-universal+ tier way back and he got hundreds of times stronger before even getting ultra instinct.......
Speed: Goku stacks up to a casual Beerus who exited his nebula within 30mins or so, and was calced around a billion times SoL, but anyway, I'll just assume both are mftl+, however this them gives Goku a Combat speed advantage in MUI
Durability: best thing there was the black hole feat, a tired base Goku withstood being inside a blackhole with was dense enough to sink through the battlefield of kacha katchin, the densest material on the multiverse. I don't need to tell you how Insignificant it would be to ssj3 Goku, let alone SSG Goku, let alone UI Goku.
Assuming her speed matches Goku, the rest stats aren't enough to trouble him tbh
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