Goku vs Jiren- MANGA VERSIONS

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Poll Goku vs Jiren- MANGA VERSIONS (13 votes)

BASE GOKU 15%
SSJ1 GOKU 8%
SSJ2 GOKU 0%
SSJ3 GOKU 0%
SSG GOKU 0%
SSB GOKU 0%
PERFECTED SSB GOKU 0%
UIO GOKU (Sign) 38%
UI GOKU "(MUI)" 23%
TRUE UI GOKU 15%
View Results... 15%

Goku (End of the Granolah Arc: Chapter 88/89)

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Jiren (ToP)

WHAT FORM DOES GOKU (Granolah Arc) NEED TO TAKE A COMBATIVE MAJORITY AGAINST JIREN?

- MANGA VERSIONS

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SSB with UI is enough to press Jiren to mid diff, Omen should be where Goku wins majority with High diff

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#2  Edited By CrimsonSlayer85

Mastered Ultra Instinct.

TUI is merely an emotion driven UI Omen. It is no different with respects to power. So he should be lower than MUI in the gauntlet.

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#3  Edited By noobsnowman  Online

@crimsonslayer85: Nah, this is Granolah Arc Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku, this version is hindered by emotions and therefore unable to unleash his full power like he did in the Moro Arc. He is at best marginally better than UE Vegeta, and hardly comparable to UI Omen/TUI or peak Moro Arc MUI Goku. Goku dosen't win against Jiren after being nerfed that way.

Agreed on TUI being equal to UI Omen though, there are multiple external and internal sources that literally described TUI as Goku being able to access the power of UI Omen while in his emotions. TUI should be equal to UI Omen in this gauntlet.

On topic: Goku does not clear. TUI/UI Omen can contend with Jiren but loses after a great fight.

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Tui goku was stronger than a version of gas who beat an evolved ue vegeta. Tui goku beats jiren. Not to mention goku being able to use barriers around himself and others and use telekinesis on his barriers. And his barriers can tank attacks from people far stronger than him. Goku can also make clones. And there's god bind IT too. The mouth blast would also do damage. And even though aged gas was stronger than tui goku, tui goku was still able to use some kind of energy attack that did major damage to gas.

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Thinking Current Omen is as strong as or weaker than TOP Omen is the equivalent of thinking Frieza on Namek could scrap with Perfect Cell because they both fought the SSJ form because they're the same form lol

If Current Omen fought a character who's 2 tiers above a character from a previous arc that fought the same form it'd just mean Goku got exponentially stronger which isn't out of the question

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@noobsnowman: My bad, somehow forgot Goku is still nerfed currently.

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#7  Edited By noobsnowman  Online

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Thinking Current Omen is as strong as or weaker than TOP Omen is the equivalent of thinking Frieza on Namek could scrap with Perfect Cell because they both fought the SSJ form because they're the same form lol

It's laughable that you're actually comparing the two. You're comparing SSJ, a form that requires consistent training to fully master the form, to UI Omen, which requires none of the sort. With Merus, Goku's training in UI Omen only helped him improve his stamina use of the form so he could use it for longer against Moro. And during the Granolah Arc, what Goku did was use a previous form so he could still use the power of Ultra Instinct while in his emotions. It's two completely different things.

a character who's 2 tiers above a character from a previous arc

There is no non-angelic character in the mythos that is 'two tiers' above Jiren, lmfao. Jiren himself is already at or above a fully fledged Destroyer via feats and statements, and there are only a tiny handful of characters that are at that level or higher. Granolah certainly isn't that level, and the only characters that Goku fought who are above Jiren were beating the shit out of him as well.

it'd just mean Goku got exponentially stronger which isn't out of the question

It is out of the question because Goku never trained in his UI Omen or even MUI form in the context of getting stronger. With Merus during the Moro Arc, Goku trained so he could unlock UI Omen at will because his weakness at the time was that he could not access Ultra Instinct at will. With Whis during the Granolah Arc, Goku trained to reduce the strain of his MUI form by utilising UI in his lower forms, because his weakness was his inability to maintain such a powerful transformation at the time while Whis could use MUI whenever he wants. No aspect of his training ever included getting stronger in either UI Omen or MUI.

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Thinking Current Omen is as strong as or weaker than TOP Omen is the equivalent of thinking Frieza on Namek could scrap with Perfect Cell because they both fought the SSJ form because they're the same form lol

It's laughable that you're actually comparing the two. You're comparing SSJ, a form that requires consistent training to fully master the form, to UI Omen, which requires none of the sort. With Merus, Goku's training in UI Omen only helped him improve his stamina use of the form so he could use it for longer against Moro. And during the Granolah Arc, what Goku did was use a previous form so he could still use the power of Ultra Instinct while in his emotions. It's two completely different things.

a character who's 2 tiers above a character from a previous arc

There is no non-angelic character in the mythos that is 'two tiers' above Jiren, lmfao. Jiren himself is already at or above a fully fledged Destroyer via feats and statements, and there are only a tiny handful of characters that are at that level or higher. Granolah certainly isn't that level, and the only characters that Goku fought who are above Jiren were beating the shit out of him as well.

it'd just mean Goku got exponentially stronger which isn't out of the question

It is out of the question because Goku never trained in his UI Omen or even MUI form in the context of getting stronger. With Merus during the Moro Arc, Goku trained so he could unlock UI Omen at will because his weakness at the time was that he could not access Ultra Instinct at will. With Whis during the Granolah Arc, Goku trained to reduce the strain of his MUI form by utilising UI in his lower forms, because his weakness was his inability to maintain such a powerful transformation at the time while Whis could use MUI whenever he wants. No aspect of his training ever included getting stronger in either UI Omen or MUI.

Goku trained with merus so his UI would last longer against an Opponent that's already admitted to be stronger than anyone they faced before (Broly who has statements of Being stronger than the strongest destroyer Beerus and Jiren). Which would by Scaling mean Goku is stronger than before and so is his UI omen transformation Even if his training just being for Stamina purposes. Wow, Goku getting stronger from training? A foreign concept!?!?

Moro Arc Omen ~ Young Moro > Broly > Top MUI > Jiren >~ TOP Omen

Granolah comes along, makes his wish, yadayadayada, By scaling chain we know Vegeta with UE surpassed MUI initially with him being called the most dangerous man in the world. Later on MUI and UE Vegeta fight as peers against a Gas who's > Berserker State >> 2 Eyes + Oatmeal Granolah >~ Post Wish Gas > Evolved Granolah > First and Second Run UE > First Run MUI >~ Moro Arc MUI

TUI comes along and Dogs on Gas to the point where he has to burn away his life force to keep up vs MUI and UE being on the losing side previously in a 2v1.

You know what that means? Oh maygyatt Goku got stronger!!! He even says he's stronger than the guy that could 2v1 their previous best forms!! Meanwhile Jiren was on the backfoot against a Massively weaker and Untrained variation of MUI from 4 Arcs ago.

The Same form he opted to use Upon seeing Black Frieza neg diff and One shot Zombie Gas who's even stronger than the Old Man Gas that started to press TUI. Crazy stuff rite?

With that being said, even If you wanted to address Emotional conflict or Stamina problems with Goku'd current UI, it's out of the question that they're far stronger now than they were in the top due to facing opponents admitted to be Superior to Jiren and Broly.

Current Omen drags Jiren there's no way to twist it

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#10 jaakor  Online

Current UIO Goku is enough

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#11  Edited By noobsnowman  Online

@multifandomboyo:

Goku trained with merus so his UI would last longer against an Opponent that's already admitted to be stronger than anyone they faced before

Broly

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I don't need to read the rest of your post to know that you're talking out of your ass, it's clear that you didn't even read the Moro Arc.

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Anything below Omen isn't cutting it.

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@multifandomboyo:

Goku trained with merus so his UI would last longer against an Opponent that's already admitted to be stronger than anyone they faced before

Broly

💀💀💀

I don't need to read the rest of your post to know that you're talking out of your ass, it's clear that you didn't even read the Moro Arc.

Homie...I read from the Moro Arc up until the end of the Granolah arc, I was even actively giving my thoughts on the UE and MUI debates. The only thing I haven't read is the current sh events in the manga cuz it's generally the same rehashing and that's boring. Unless Jiren got some updated stuff in there?

Goku blatantly claims Moro to be the toughest opponent to date, Which includes Broly who has dozens of statements saying he was the strongest at his point in time putting him > to Jiren.

I shouldn't blame you for not continuing though, it'd be hard to read a Post with jiren's pecker all in your face like that. Zip it up whenever you're finished then read the rest

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Omen or MUI