Goku vs Garou Stats Equalised

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#1  Edited By SoulReaperRea

Current Goku

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Current Garou

Only martial arts techniques are allowed.

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@soulreaperrea: Goku is the better martial artist and beats Garou here with low to mid difficulty at best giving Garou an extreme benefit of the doubt.

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Equal stats ? Garou solos the Z fighters

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DBS Goku Wins This but not DBZ

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Goku easily

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Kaioken makes this a stomp lol

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Garou should win with stats equalized, better martial artist.

Goku majorly wins because of his immense strength and speed, not because his combat ability.

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@pr03: I'd say Goku should win here, especially with UI

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@didntask: stats are equalized, what's UI gonna do?

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@pr03: Give Goku a large advantage due to the skill scaling it has, and he can use it in base form, it's not reliant on a stat boost

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@didntask: doesn't UI just increases Goku's strenght and speed? It doesn't affect his martial art or skillsets.

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@pr03: Roshi using a severely inferior version of UI was able to keep up with Jiren who was orders of magnitiudes superior to him in all physical stats, and Roshi did so without a stat boost.

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Goku when using UI also fine tunes his moves more and more as he fights, and that's ontop of his Saiyan adaptation.

Definition of fine tune: make small adjustments to (something) in order to achieve the best or a desired performance.



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Another adaptation feat for UI. UI enabled Goku to shift his vitals to hard counter Granola's fighting style which revolves around hitting vital points. It's noted that despite Granola outstatting Goku to the point that he can't dodge completely, he's still able to shift his vitals internally to avoid the large amounts of damage caused by vital point strikes.

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@didntask: didn't know that, I am anime-only for dbs

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@pr03: My bad, sorry for spoilers

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Garou is a way better Martial Artist. UI doesn't live to his hype.

Garou will have fun and KO Goku.

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Pure martial arts? Garou destroys Goku, low diff. Especially with a perfect balance of defence and offence, as well as countering because of his water flowing crushing rock style.

But Goku wins this cuz stats being equalized don't mean he don't have his other powers. Still has ki/energy projection and flight, instant transmission and what not.

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#18  Edited By SoulReaperRea

@prophetyashawn: Goku low diffs Garou using martial arts from what I've seen and heard from others

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goku humiliates him

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#21  Edited By ragegod

Goku can predict time manipulators in quick succession and now has access to UI in base which apparently grants him speed comparable to SS Vegeta. This is a stomp. Garou is all hype as evidenced by the lack of scans for his side in the thread

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Garou is well beyond Goku in skills.
He stomps.

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yikes

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goku humiliates him

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#24  Edited By GangOrca

Goku is vastly more skilled, if he wasn't already pre-UI.

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Goku isn't more skilled, he gets overpowered while using UI against guys faster/stronger than him.
Garou anticipate Saitama.

Garou > Goku

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Base goku with ui has comparable speed to ssj vegeta and faster reactions. In his ssb form while using ui he reacted multiple times to a version of granola that beat ue vegeta. And was able to exchange with him despite granola still being stronger. In his base form he was schooling ssj 2 caulifa with his skills. Goku got out powered by 73 moro in his omen form and by whis in his silver haired form. Every other time it was either a stamina thing, him getting drained out of it or a stamina thing and ui's accuracy decreasing. Goku also has automatic body hardening too. Gets a speed increase. The shifting vitals thing and of course the auto dodge thing.

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#29  Edited By god_killer11

@xana1 said:

I say goku is the best martial art

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In Dragon Ball Super or in fiction?

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#30  Edited By M_Architect_M

Goku has more experience, has better improvisation, is smarter in fights, is more skilled than Garou, he is arguably as durable, and he can predict the moves from his enemy without even looking or hearing, just by sensing the Ki, with IU he can even do it just by instict, and he as well just need to look once to copy a style or technique, and this ones were generally more complex than the OPM fighting styles that Garou has copied.

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Yeah, as predicted, no persuasive arguments for Goku and only bias.
Garou is way better at copying and enhacing his combat abilities than Goku, proof is how fast he improved from being a nobody and proficient martial artist to being able to go toe to toe with the S class heroes in a few weeks or months.

99% of Goku fights, he needs to go through a training of hell, and to get a lot of time like by using the Hyperbolic Time Chamber....

Garou sharpened his skills by fighting people stronger or more skilled than him and surpassed them.

Goku won the majority of his fights by getting power-boosts, transformations and getting help from his friends...
He also massively struggle when techniques actually needs finesses (Hello Mafuba !!!!) and him "copying techniques" easily is bullshit, Garou did it and more.

The only one that Goku got really quick is the Kamehameha.

Garou stomps, how is that even a question.


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@xana1 said:

@god_killer11: what are you asking?

You're saying that you think Goku is the best martial artist and I'm asking are you talking about in his verse or in fiction

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@gangorca said:

Goku is vastly more skilled, if he wasn't already pre-UI.

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@xana1 said:

@god_killer11:

When is come to fight there is always someone better at fighting or martial art.

I don't think goku is the base martial art in all of fiction but in this fight against garou he the best martial arts.

Goku have train with Gods who have lived for thousands of year's they have watched over planets and peoples who came up with they own style martial arts and made them own martial arts.

Goku is train by them, learn every kind of martial arts from the whole universe.

Garou is a good martial arts but can he best goku who have a whole universe of martial arts fight style behind him back?

I think Goku win here I just wanted to ask that question, that's all

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garou stomps

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Garou stomps

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Garou is well beyond Goku in skills.

He stomps.

Predicting time manipulator > predicting bald "amateur" fighter with no skills and just strength.

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@pedro2 said:

Goku isn't more skilled, he gets overpowered while using UI against guys faster/stronger than him.

Garou anticipate Saitama.

Garou > Goku

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assuming transformations don't increase stats

Garou is a superior fighter and can adapt to Goku's fighting style however...

Hakai gg

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@ragegod:

Predicting 0.1 seconds in time shift, that's nothing....

Garou can learn and master a technique just by reading it once from a scroll...


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@pedro2: Why should I care? The chapter didn't even bother to explain what that martial art even is. It's just fighting with killing intent. Garou already knew that lmao

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Looking at it from a purely martial arts form, Garou would have the edge. He has shown adaptability and displayed mastery of not just one form of martials arts, but various forms and even his own form. The rock smashing fist I'd say counters Goku's mainly offensive martial arts as RSF specializes in redirecting force and delivering it back with greater force. On the other hand, Goku's style is mostly focused on utilizing speed and power to deliver a barrage of blows to overpower the opponent.

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Goku absolutely destroys Garou, UI or not. It’s not particularly close

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#48  Edited By SmokerNaruto

Goku absolutely destroys Garou, UI or not. It’s not particularly close

Yep this ^

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I want to say Goku, but he is just so inconsistent. At times he really is portrayed as a straight fighting genius,and he definitely has the feats to show it. But at other times he is just shown to be an idiot all the way through and it's also very hard to deny that.

I'm giving it to Garou in hard diff, simply because he absorbed so many styles at this point. He knows Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist, Void Fist, Tanktop Techniques, Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist, Explosion Release Fist, Monster Calamity God Slayer Fist, Fighting Spirit Techniques, and much more. And each style comes with pretty crazy and unique benefits. Not only he'll absorb Goku style instantly and learn master instinct in a blink of an eye, he has an ocean of techniques to choose from to find a counter too. Goku doesn't learn and master alien styles consistently at a pace to keep up with him. This will be a competitive fight, but Garou is more talented and he simply learns faster. At the start Goku will have the advantage because of UI, but in the long run Goku will simply be overwhelmed.

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#50  Edited By DidntAsk

Goku takes this with low difficulty at best. Roshi using a discount, far cry version of UI was able to keep up with Jiren for a period of time. Goku's UI fine-tunes his moves as he fights, on top of how Goku can sense intent, can adapt to fighting styles such as Granola's by shifting his vitals even after being knocked out and at a stat disadvantage, possibly read minds via scaling to Roshi as he taught him, and could consistently predict the moves of someone he couldn't see as they skipped time into the future, if need be he can and will mimic some of Garou's moves. Should Garou try to copy UI, he either straight up dies, or becomes severely crippled as he hasn't trained his body to withstand it. No use knowing all those styles when you won't be able to land on Goku. Attacks without fancy names are all that's needed to drop Garou on his neck here.