Goku vs Daredevil H2H
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" @FinalStar86 said:I would say the same thing but a wall can give a better argument then you can. Qi has nothing to do with martial art skill. You're comparing skill from two different things." @hdorman1 said:debating with you is like talking to a wall it has been said again and again in the manga and anime that regulating your qi to a point where expulsion from your body is incredibly difficult and requires tremendous amounts of skill and self control the only person ever displayed as a bad but over powering fighter in the db universe is broly but he is a genetic freak with natural abilities everyone else had to train for decades to attain their power and skill level using qi 'blasts' isnt as simple in db as it is in comic books it is similar to iron fist manifesting his ability (as they are both based on chi/qi) "" @FinalStar86 said:He lost against Jackie and he even said that he only won because his legs were longer, nothing about skill there He beat Vegeta with the kaio ken and the spirit bomb, again nothing about skill there Same with Cell, Gohan killed him with a kamehameha wave DBZ characters are mediocre fighters "" @hdorman1 said:his first fight against jackie chun(master roshi) his first fight against vegeta his fight against cell (stale mated as he decided he couldnt win but gohan could) etc there are dozens more examples elevating your qi and progressing past a stage requires huge amounts of control, will and skill this is why the 'z' fighters are so powerful men like hercule or mr satan ( who would be considered a street leveler in marvel ,also is the same guy) is a buffoon compared to the 'z' fighters but he is tremendously skilled in the martial arts compared to other human fighters "" goku stomps he has fought people with similar power levels and one due to him being a phenomenal fighter you cant control qi( or chi) unless you can control yourself, which is what martial arts is all about "This is false, in almost every fight ever won in DBZ, the victor won due to being more powerful then his opponent, DBZ fights are rarely won through skill. "
Actually you bring up another point I want to address, even though he is a non canon character Broly is a very good case of a character with no fighting skill and relied heavily on physical stats and energy blast. Thank you for proving my point.
" @FinalStar86: But a mod banned you for trolling so you must be a troll "See you cannot prove this though, unless a mod told you personally why I was banned, and honestly? I was banned because DBZ and MK fan wankers cry to them and say I was mean to them, no trolling on my part, just immature fangirls on your part
Sorry but a mod called you a troll, that is a fact and is on screen, my reasons for getting banned before are unknown to you. So...you fail
" @Vance Astro said:Daredevil wins." Daredevil wins easily. "yes goku whos naturally born with high durability super strength, and heightened speed and has beaten every single master martial artists of his universe and time and again has proven that hi style is the best is going to be beaten by daredevil.....and easily oh wait that other thing goku stomps "
" @Vance Astro said:I know you were kidding.I saw the smiley face." @spidey 15 said:I know. I was just kidding. Sorry for not making it clear. Still, he didn't show anything that can put him on the same level as DD.=] "" Is Goku better fighter than Spidey?=] "Way better. "
" @FinalStar86: But a mod banned you for trolling so you must be a troll "The mods didn't ban you..and you're a troll so obviously everyone doesn't get what they deserve.
I'd like to say Goku, since he's been training since youth, but without powers, beating Goku is like bullying a little kid at school for DD.
Goku wins easy. He invented a new form of martial arts (monkey style) to counter Muten Roshi's drunken fist.
@FinalStar86: I notice you really really like when Supes uses pressure points, so you'll love how a real fighting master uses them.
^^With a single strike Muten Roshi paralyzes an opponent.
And by the time of the 23rd budokai, Goku's skills have surpassed Roshi's.
" @rbysjti: Everyone can block attacks, that doesn't mean they are untouchable. Goku never shown anything that can put him on DD's level.=] "DD is pretty agile, despite being a human.
Here we see Muten Roshi using Drunken fist
Then Goku invents the monkey imitation style, in the middle of the battle to counter
In addition Goku uses flips as well
Goku also copies and improves upon techniques after only seeing them once.
As he did with Master Roshi's double afterimage (saw it, and made his own triple afterimage)
And with Tenshinhan's 4 arms technique ( saw it, made his own 8 arms version)
I'm in my right mind and i know that DD hanging with spiderman is the most logical thing." Goku wins People please dont post Daredevil vs Spiderman scans because anyone in their right mind knows that Daredevil cannot beat Spiderman or hang with him "
Daredevil vs a mad spiderman. His anger made him fight reaaaallyyyy sloppy and that was the reason that DD beaten him. He outsmarted him, something that a good fighter can do.
Spiderman's morals prevented him from one shoting DD in one of their fights. But that was't the only reason. Read the scans that i will post and you will see that DD had rolled with these attacks and he manage to reduce the damage of th hit.
Daredevil should be able to hang with Spiderman who is fast enough to caught a car, is agile to the point where he can do things humanly impossible, he reflexes are 40 times faster than a human, he has spider senses that tell where the threat and what direction to move.
Daredevil cannot hang with Spiderman because he is simply outclassed in terms of speed, agility, and reflexes
" @spidey 15: Daredevil should be able to hang with Spiderman who is fast enough to caught a car, is agile to the point where he can do things humanly impossible, he reflexes are 40 times faster than a human, he has spider senses that tell where the threat and what direction to move. Daredevil cannot hang with Spiderman because he is simply outclassed in terms of speed, agility, and reflexes "over 30 years of showings in comics prove otherwise.
" I'd like to say Goku, since he's been training since youth, but without powers, beating Goku is like bullying a little kid at school for DD. "
" @Vance Astro:@Gambler said:
This was a reply to Spidey not troll
Bad Troll Very Bad Troll
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" Take it easy fellas. "
lol it's impossible to set a level for goku's power but lets say his speed, strength, agility, reaction time are all equal to DD.
He wins (Goku).
" @spidey 15: Daredevil should be able to hang with Spiderman who is fast enough to caught a car, is agile to the point where he can do things humanly impossible, he reflexes are 40 times faster than a human, he has spider senses that tell where the threat and what direction to move. Daredevil cannot hang with Spiderman because he is simply outclassed in terms of speed, agility, and reflexes "You know how many people spiderman outclasses but they manage to humiliate him?
What you just describe is how spiderman would be like if he uses his powers to their full potential.
Captain America, Iron Fist, Rhino, Daredevil etc...
all of them are outclassed in terms od speed and agility but they were able to hit him. Spidey is not untouchable. His spider sense can sense anything but not everything.
Also spidey's personality is what prevent him from beating opponets like cap and DD.
Here is spidey being humiliated by cap twice
Goku wins.
DD cannot copy and improve upon techniques after seeing them done once
DD can not invent a new style of fighting to suit the situation
Goku can, and goku's fighting skills surpassed that of a 300 year old master, while Goku was still a child.
Goku even without his enhanced physical abilities still has fast enough reflexes to catch bullets rather easily. Even more he has enough stamina to run indefinitely. He wins.
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