Goku vs Android 17 (Rematch)

Rules:

• In-Character
• Win by Incap, KO or Death
• Goku is SSB KKx10 (cannot go to x20)
• Standard Gear
• Random Encounter
• Who Wins and Why?

Location:

17 can win but goku probably will win

if 17 uses one of his self destructs its game over

Goku 7/10

I think Goku should be able to go Kaoi-Kenx20 considering just how well 17 did against Jiren, and Goku wasn't doing any damage to Jiren whatsoever. In any case, I think it could go virtually either way with 17 having limitless stamina and very decent defenses (chi barriers), but Goku has more fighting experience and a variety of many techniques he could use. 50/50.

Blue can beat him

17 is around Blue Tier (give or take), but not SSBKX10 Tier, Goku should take this.

I think 17 is equal to a serious SSJ Blue so anything around or above Kaio Ken amped SSJ Blue would beat 17. 17 was just very versatile with his uniqueness of never running out of ammo and an incredibly durable Shield, but to put him on the level of SSJ Blue KK level because he managed to block an attack from Jiren via Shield would not be right. He can endure such attacks that are more powerful than him because of his powerful Shield not because he himself is as powerful as the said attack.

Andriod 17 >>> Jiren >>> moving ui Goku >>> kefla 2 >>> Dyspo >>> GOLDEN FRIEZA >>> RB Vegeta >>> Toppo >>> defensive ui goku.

Frièza is as strong as mui goku as he claimed he would kill jiren if it wasn't for the tournament rules.

This arena favors goku by huge amounts

17 relies on strategy and constant movement to beat people.

This arena gives him no room

Goku clocks him hard

@shenron007: actually final form Frieza+ssj goku>jiren>17

Ssj goku stomps MUI Goku

I hardly doubt Goku in kaiokenx10 will be able to get past 17's shields if full power Toppo and Anilaza couldnt. This will be a problem for Goku.

Lol, you have a great sense of humor.

They aren't restricted to the platform only

Yeah Goku wins this while I do believe 17 would stand a solid chance of beating Goku in Blue Form adding KK on top of that gives him a massive power advantage although 17 does have some redeeming qualities which I'll quickly list off.

• + He's more strategic and analytical than Goku
• + Trumps him in endurance and defense thanks to his infinite Stamina and Energy barriers
• + Self destruct can obliterate Goku (Although I don't think he'd use such a move on one of his closest allies and wouldn't put himself at risk under normal conditions)

However Goku has advantages that benefit him way more in this scenario and certain areas where 17 is at a disadvantage.

• - Environment ultimately benefits Goku more than 17 being very narrow and small leaves little to no options for 17 to exploit and allows Goku to focus on his opponent with no room to escape.
• - Due to KKx10 Goku has an enormous power advantage over 17 including physicals (especially speed) which simply trump 17's advantages
• - Is a better fighter in martial arts combat/H2H.

Goku wins this 7/10, Not a stomp but I simply don't see him loosing with KK he'd have to work for it but his advantages over 17 he simply overwhelms him. The only ways I could see 17 winning is If he either self destructs or attempts to outlast him both options that won't work in this scenario.

@scotchbear: that scene with 100% frieza and ssj goku: frieza said Jiren doesn't seem as strong as before,yet jiren disagreed with him. how ssj goku and 100% frieza got him of the ring was major bllsht.

@chronicplane: Thanks for the breakdown!

Goku wins.

I hate that power creeper, Goku turns him into oil.

MUI Goku>True Serious Jiren>>(Final Before MUI) UI Omen Goku>>Jiren before the last boost>(End of Super) RB/SSJB Beyond Vegeta>(End of Super) SSJB Kaioken x20 Goku>(End of Super) Golden Frieza>(End of Super) SSJB Kaioken x10 Goku (roughly equal to) Sort-of-GofD Toppo (roughly equal) SSJ2 Kefla>>>Dyspo (Roughly Equal To) SSJB Goku/Vegeta

There I fixed it.

I could throw other characters in here.

Goku

@captfalcon725: you haven't listed 17,

and the and the Andriod done things non of the others can tank. except for Jiren and Mui Goku.

Goku should be able to handle 17 in his SSG form.

SSB Goku can probably win.

17 would beat SSJG Goku with little difficulty. The comparison being that all of SSJG Goku's attacks against a suppressed Jiren were blocked with one finger. On the flip side 17 did better against a powered up Jiren.

As for the question itself. Goku Kaio-Ken x10 should take this.

Same reason Jiren had to block Base tired Vegeta's attacks but was able to tank ssj and ssj2 goku's punches like nothing.

@captfalcon725:

MUI Goku>True Serious Jiren

This was not his "true serious" power but rather his Hidden Power that was triggered by remembering his past trauma.

130 Preview refers to the battle as "breaking both their limits."

He used his full power back in Episode 129 with the Crimson Aura.

MUI Goku was also only greater with the friendship/rage boost, prior to it he was getting overwhelmed.

Golden Frieza>(End of Super) SSJB Kaioken x10 Goku (roughly equal to) Sort-of-GofD Toppo (roughly equal)

What's the basis for these statements?

@thegreatlordd I did that in a rush let me edit.

MUI Goku>True Serious Jiren>>(Final Before MUI) UI Omen Goku>>Jiren before the last boost>(End of Super) RB/SSJB Beyond Vegeta>(End of Super)> SSJB Kaioken x20 Goku> Sort-of-GofD Toppo (End of Super) Golden Frieza> (End of Super) Android 17 (roughly equal to) (End of Super) SSJB Kaioken x10 Goku (roughly equal) SSJ2 Kefla>>>Dyspo (Roughly Equal To) SSJB Goku/Vegeta

There I fixed it.

Golden Frieza during the Resurrection F arc was stronger than SSJB Goku or Vegeta but had not mastered the form.

True Golden Frieza is at least on par with SSJB Goku but I feel like Android 17 is roughly equal to True Golden Frieza and SSJB Kaioken x10 Goku.

Kefla is tough to scale because she was a plot device. Dyspo is fodder.
And for MUI Goku to have that extra boost him, he's more powerful than the True Serious Jiren.

It was all extra boosts for plot's sake, but it's still canon but tough to scale.

@captfalcon725:

And for MUI Goku to have that extra boost him, he's more powerful than the True Serious Jiren.

It was all extra boosts for plot's sake, but it's still canon but tough to scale.

It's not his "true serious", he was serious since Episode 127, it is his Limit Breaking Power.

It can be scaled as Nakama/Friend boost MUI Goku > Limit Breaker Jiren > Standard MUI Goku.

Semantics, so I will agree to agree. LOL

Stalemate

If 17 uses his rasengan, then it’s game over

Goku doesn't need kaioken.

It's not fair with kaioken.