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#1 Posted by The_Hajduk (6305 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone at their full power besides Ultra Instinct.

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#2 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (5267 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus, lol

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#3 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

Without UI, Goku and Vegeta already fought alongside 17 against a Beerus tier and couldn't win. Frieza has demonstrated that a GoD could absolutely wreck him if need be. Beerus wins.

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#4 Posted by The_Hajduk (6305 posts) - - Show Bio

Without UI, Goku and Vegeta already fought alongside 17 against a Beerus tier and couldn't win. Frieza has demonstrated that a GoD could absolutely wreck him if need be. Beerus wins.

It's stated that Jiren is stronger then Beerus.

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#5 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk: IMO it seemed like Jiren was equal to Beerus, but if he is stronger I don't think it's a massive difference.

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#6 Edited by Redshift_Bacon (709 posts) - - Show Bio

When? Movie Versions of these characters should be stronger but I don't think they're strong enough yet.

Kaiokenx20 Goku and SSBE Vegeta already lost to Jiren while he was holding back. Its not confirmed that Jiren is above Beerus until he is fighting UI Omen Phase-3 Goku. And Beerus apparently has some access to Ultra Instinct, as seen in his fight with the other GoDs in the Manga. I still don't think team can take this. Replace Freeza with GoD Toppo or SSJ2 Kefla, or even SSB Vegito (Zamasu Arc) and they might have a chance.

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#7 Edited by ColonelSanders (294 posts) - - Show Bio

DBS: Broly confirms Goku and Vegeta (and Freeza via scaling) are all way, way, way weaker than Beerus. The director of the movie stated Goku was "pretty close" to being a god, and Vegeta was "desperately trying to catch up," so it's clearly taking into account Ultra Instinct.

Beerus > UI Goku >>> SSBE Vegeta >>> SSB Vegeta/Goku ~ Golden Freeza

LSS Broly is "probably" stronger than Beerus, and by the time he was going to be killed, he wasn't far off from SSB Gogeta's strength, so I'm backwards scaling this to figure SSB Gogeta isn't in an entirely different league than Beerus. Clearly a Super Saiyan Blue fusion is going to be many times stronger than the people used for the fusion. Base Gogeta was already looking better against SS Broly than SSB Goku and Vegeta together were. Add Super Saiyan Blue's boost and you've got a wide open gap between Beerus and the individual Saiyans.

SSB Gogeta >> LSS Broly >= Beerus > UI Goku >> SS Gogeta ~ SS Broly >> SSBE Vegeta >>> Base Gogeta > SSB Vegeta/Goku ~ Golden Freeza

Hell, it's at least 400x if you're going with Base Gogeta > SSB Goku/Vegeta and standard Super Saiyan multipliers...

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#9 Posted by MoneyyJunee (548 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is Frieza here?

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#10 Edited by Redshift_Bacon (709 posts) - - Show Bio

@moneyyjunee: Hes incredibly good at taking large amounts of damage... haha

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#11 Edited by Redshift_Bacon (709 posts) - - Show Bio

@colonelsanders: You cant use movie statements to gague the characters in the Anime lol.. Especially in a movie that explicitly states that Goku cannot enter Ultra Instinct. Jiren is stated by the Angels to be above all of the Gods of Destruction when he was fighting UI Omen Phase-3 Goku. MUI Goku and Raged-Out Jiren are both above Beerus. Meanwhile the movie said Broly “MIGHT” Be as strong as Beerus, the same way they said SSB Vegito “Might” be as strong as Beerus.

SSB Gogeta > MUI Goku = LB Jiren > Beerus >/= LSSJ Broly >/=/< SSB Vegito

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#12 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18472 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus claps the team, the only way they can win is if Goku and Vegeta got the chance to fuse.

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#13 Posted by U_WOT_M8 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends if it's SSJ Broly or FP SSJ Broly that's probably stronger then Beerus

But regardless, SSJ Broly is so powerful that Goku and Vegeta admitted they can't beat him unless they fuse

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#14 Edited by MainJP (6215 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus stomps the team.

@the_hajduk said:
@drpepperman said:

Without UI, Goku and Vegeta already fought alongside 17 against a Beerus tier and couldn't win. Frieza has demonstrated that a GoD could absolutely wreck him if need be. Beerus wins.

It's stated that Jiren is stronger than Beerus.

Being stronger doesn’t mean you’re not in the same tier. There’s being slightly or a bit stronger then there’s being so strong you’re in a different tier altogether. Even Jiren’s official bio says he’s Hakaishin tier.

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#15 Posted by U_WOT_M8 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

@mainjp said:

Beerus stomps the team.

@the_hajduk said:
@drpepperman said:

Without UI, Goku and Vegeta already fought alongside 17 against a Beerus tier and couldn't win. Frieza has demonstrated that a GoD could absolutely wreck him if need be. Beerus wins.

It's stated that Jiren is stronger than Beerus.

Being stronger doesn’t mean you’re not in the same tier. There’s being slightly or a bit stronger then there’s being so strong you’re in a different tier altogether. Even Jiren’s official bio says he’s Hakaishin tier.

Before breaking his limits yeah

In episode 129, he was ahead of Omen Goku, who was said to be approaching the state of the destroyers

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#17 Posted by Karkus (699 posts) - - Show Bio

@colonelsanders:

The director of the movie stated Goku was "pretty close" to being a god, and Vegeta was "desperately trying to catch up," so it's clearly taking into account Ultra Instinct.

MUI Goku isn't even God level? That doesn't make much sense. MUI Goku was already said to have power surpassing "a" God, and Jiren was said to have reached the level of Gods and surpassed Belmod. Goku did seem to be ahead of Vegeta in this movie, so perhaps that was the director is referring to.

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#18 Posted by Karkus (699 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus should win solidly. LSSJ Broly "probably" surpassed Beerus, while LSSJ dwarfs regular SSJ Broly, and these three were helpless against SSJ Broly. Beerus also has Unmastered Ultra-Instinct, Hakai, and other Hax to make this an even more concrete victory.

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#19 Edited by DoctorDaMn (956 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: don't know what movie you were watching; goku wasn't ahead of vegeta in that movie they were pretty much equal...

Ot:beerus wins

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#20 Posted by Karkus (699 posts) - - Show Bio

@doctordamn: I'm talking about how they did against Broly's Base form. Goku seemed to do somewhat better until Broly powered up further.

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#21 Posted by DoctorDaMn (956 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: goku started off in base and went from there like he did with jiren (which is utter bullshit unless you care to argue that base goku = god vegeta) However, he didn't hurt broly in the slightest unless I'm forgetting something. He did however manage that paralysis attack if that's what you were referring to...

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#22 Edited by Etherious (269 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk: It was never stated Jiren is stronger than Beerus.

Beerus one-shot the team.