Goku Black, Hit & Golden Frieza Vs Jiren, Toppo & Dyspo

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Poll Goku Black, Hit & Golden Frieza Vs Jiren, Toppo & Dyspo (99 votes)

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Battle in world of void. Indestructable planet.

Win by any means

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#1  Edited By Khael

I'm gonna wait until the new episode comes out....

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In character. Manga and anime feats allowed

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Jiren and Dyspo are featless, and I'd say anyone on team one can beat Toppo fairly handily to be honest.

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@lordcloud121: jiren blitzed goku and dyspo apparently overwhelms hit

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@cooldes:dyspo apparently overwhelms hit

Hit isn't allowed to go for the kill and besides, it seems like Dyspos using a special technique to do so and he's got help from another pride trooper.

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#6  Edited By Thenewguysnm1

you really couldn't of waited 1 week for them to get feats

OT by scaling jiren solos

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you really couldn't of waited 1 week for them to get feats

OT by scaling jiren solos

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I'm going with the first team

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Jiren and Dyspo are featless, and I'd say anyone on team one can beat Toppo fairly handily to be honest.

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@khael said:

I'm gonna wait until the new episode comes out....

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@green_skaar: by scaling Jiren solos Goku Black, Hit and Golden Frieza??? Lmfao that's not going to happen, even if he's the one Whis was talking about stronger than a god of destruction, every single person on the other team is a potential equal to a god of destruction at their absolute best. So Jiren can solo three people that are god level or at least really close?

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@lordcloud121 said:

@green_skaar: by scaling Jiren solos Goku Black, Hit and Golden Frieza??? Lmfao that's not going to happen, even if he's the one Whis was talking about stronger than a god of destruction, every single person on the other team is a potential equal to a god of destruction at their absolute best. So Jiren can solo three people that are god level or at least really close?

Do you really think any of them could do anything to a GoD? Vegito is said to be equal to Beerus and Vegito would stomp team 1, so yeah Beerus is wayy above all of them.

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#14  Edited By lordcloud121

@superentity: Goku Black was stated to be the strongest character at that point just below gods, Vegito was never stated to be Beerus level, by speculation and power scaling her stomp Beerus. Whis stated Goku and Vegeta teaming up could beat Beerus, and seperately they're far weaker as a team than they are fused as Vegito, another fact that was stated. Another thing both Beerus and Champa were a tad intimidated by Hit and Goku at the peak of their fights. Frieza is an equal to current Goku, Black is superior to current Goku, and Hit is another equal to current Goku, and current Goku is a superior to u6 arc Goku, you have zero reason to say the gods are actually vastly superior, any of them could definitely stand a chance in a fight, maybe not win, but they also wouldn't get stomped like you insinuate. Together they'd easily overwhelm the featless Jiren.

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@superentity: Goku Black was stated to be the strongest character at that point just below gods, Vegeta was never stated to be Beerus level, by speculation and power scaling her stomp Beerus. Whis stated Goku and Vegeta teaming up could beat Beerus, and seperately they're far weaker as a team than they are fused as Vegeta, another fact that was stated. Another thing both Beerus and Champa were a tad intimidated by Hit and Goku at the peak of their fights. Frieza is an equal to current Goku, Black is superior to current Goku, and Hit is another equal to current Goku, you have zero reason to say the gods are actually vastly superior, any of them could definitely stand a chance in a fight, maybe not win, but they also wouldn't get stomped like you insinuate. Together they'd easily overwhelm the featless Jiren.

Lo, they werent intimidated, Beerus invited them to fight a GoD, Champa said he was going to destroy all of them, he wasn't intimidated at all.

None of them are above or equal to the GoDs (atleast not Beerus or Champa).

The Kai said that Vegito is close to Beerus in power.

By feats Beerus and Champa are wayyy above all of them.

and by scaling too.

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@superentity: by feats Beerus and Champa get one shotted, their only feats are Beerus fighting a far inferior Goku in bog, Champa and Beerus fighting, and Beerus destroying a ghost. By scaling like I said they probably win, but it's far from a stomp. Also nothing was ever said regarding Vegito being close to GoD level, scans or gtfo

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@lordcloud121 said:

@superentity: by feats Beerus and Champa get one shotted, their only feats are Beerus fighting a far inferior Goku in bog, Champa and Beerus fighting, and Beerus destroying a ghost. By scaling like I said they probably win, but it's far from a stomp. Also nothing was ever said regarding Vegito being close to GoD level, scans or gtfo

Lol, Beerus is the second or 3rd DB with the best feats, when he and champa fought they were destroying planets with kicks and punches, Beerus destroyed a planet by tapping, he has destroyed stars with ease etc, Beerus is far stronger in every way by feats, not to mention he has hakai, energy nullification, matter manip, can clone etc.

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Pride Tropper win

People forget that Goku got more powerful. Jiren alone is more powerful then Beerus, and neither of these are are. He an take this himself probably.

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@u_wot_m8: there's absolutely nothing stated about Jiren being > Beerus, there's possible hype of him being stronger, but I doubt Whis was talking about him, I personally think Whis was talking about someone from u12.

@superentity: show me scans of him busting a star, you know the science behind busting a star right? You have the aftermath of a supernova to deal with afterwards, there's absolutely no evidence that he can or has busted a star, there were no planets destroyed in the fight between them, the room was destroyed but that was it, far from your hyperbole claims, neither of them have any feats on par with Hit's time skip hax, while they more than likely have a way to deal with it, you actually have zero feats to really prove it.

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@lordcloud121: your wamking non of them are god tier goku at his best is still fodder to the gods

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@lordcloud121: remember team 2 is pretty featless and the pure fact that topppo someone who by his own admission was fodder to jiren was about to force goku to " break his limits " is enough for me to say that he solos especially since no 1 on team 1 is greater than goku furthermore even if he doesn't solo team 2 still lol stomp

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@u_wot_m8: there's absolutely nothing stated about Jiren being > Beerus, there's possible hype of him being stronger, but I doubt Whis was talking about him, I personally think Whis was talking about someone from u12.

No, Whis said that their is someone in the tournament that's stronger then Beerus.

Plus review what he said, Whis said their is someone so strong that not even the their destroyer can beat him, and that destroyer beat Beerus in a arm wrestling match. If that destroyer cannot beat Jiren, meaning nothing he does can beat Jiren, that includes hakai and all that hax stuff, that means Jiren is well above Beerus.

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@thenewguysnm1: Goku rag dolled Toppo the entire fight, Goku black is 100% Goku's superior, in his last appearance he was in the middle of toying with Goku and Vegeta after multiple rag boosts he improved past them. Frieza was stated to be his virtual equal, and Hit is still 2-0-1 over Goku, he beat him twice and Goku stalemated once so he's Goku's superior as well, and you can't prove anything about Goku being fodder to Beerus, especially when a completely inferior version of Goku was able to bring Beerus to 75%, and Beerus looked 100% concerned about Goku's ssb kaioken transformation when he first saw it. That alone means he's far from fodder.

@u_wot_m8: Whis actually said there's someone in the 12 universes, nothing about in the tournament, go rewatch it.

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@thenewguysnm1: Goku rag dolled Toppo the entire fight, Goku black is 100% Goku's superior, in his last appearance he was in the middle of toying with Goku and Vegeta after multiple rag boosts he improved past them. Frieza was stated to be his virtual equal, and Hit is still 2-0-1 over Goku, he beat him twice and Goku stalemated once so he's Goku's superior as well, and you can't prove anything about Goku being fodder to Beerus, especially when a completely inferior version of Goku was able to bring Beerus to 75%, and Beerus looked 100% concerned about Goku's ssb kaioken transformation when he first saw it. That alone means he's far from fodder.

@u_wot_m8: Whis actually said there's someone in the 12 universes, nothing about in the tournament, go rewatch it.

Bro seriously it's so obvious, Goku asked what are the chances of U7 winning and Whis said that someone in the other universes that's stronger then Beerus as a response. Obviously the whole point of this question is referring the chances of U7 in the tournament of power, otherwise why would Whis mention someone stronger then Beerus in the other universes when that universe isn't even participating in the tournament to begin with -.-

And it's clear that Jiren is that guy, and Jiren > Beerus

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#26  Edited By green_skaar

Post-universe survival arc challenge for Goku.

@u_wot_m8 said:

Bro seriously it's so obvious, Goku asked what are the chances of U7 winning and Whis said that someone in the other universes that's stronger then Beerus as a response. Obviously the whole point of this question is referring the chances of U7 in the tournament of power, otherwise why would Whis mention someone stronger then Beerus in the other universes when that universe isn't even participating in the tournament to begin with -.-

And it's clear that Jiren is that guy, and Jiren > Beerus

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Post-universe survival arc challenge for Goku.

@u_wot_m8 said:

Bro seriously it's so obvious, Goku asked what are the chances of U7 winning and Whis said that someone in the other universes that's stronger then Beerus as a response. Obviously the whole point of this question is referring the chances of U7 in the tournament of power, otherwise why would Whis mention someone stronger then Beerus in the other universes when that universe isn't even participating in the tournament to begin with -.-

And it's clear that Jiren is that guy, and Jiren > Beerus

I was just under the impression he was bringing it up to show there are mortals of all kinds of strength. Kind of a "The World is a Big place" statement. Goku asked him what his chances are and he even said "it's hard to say" iirc.

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@u_wot_m8: y did u tag me i agree with u team 2 stomp

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Team Hit for now but i know after couple episodes the pride troopers

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Yet another possibility.

I was just under the impression he was bringing it up to show there are mortals of all kinds of strength. Kind of a "The World is a Big place" statement. Goku asked him what his chances are and he even said "it's hard to say" iirc.

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So now it's clear Goku is no way near Beerus level since Mastered SSB Vegeta got stomped. Though Goku's new form might change this tbh.

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Episode is out, bump

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Pride Troopers win even more comfortably now.

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@superentity: Goku will never surpass Beerus as of now.Also the manga is a separate entity altogether so its best to separate them from each other.

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Pride troopers should win here though.(lol at Zeno not being able to track the fight..:/)

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Now that Hit adapted to Dyspo speed he can solo Dyspo and Toppo and we need to remember Hit is nerfed hard in ToP, he cant kill and for plot reasons is not using his phasing the whole time he fights like he did with Goku. But hype of Jiren alone should still solo lol By feats team Hit, by hype Jiren solos.

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Ugh...why can't we just wait until more episodes come out? Dragon Ball isn't like One Piece or some other anime or manga where feats are just tossed in your face. Making threads as soon as someone even shows their face is silly.

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#39  Edited By Mee09

@gaoron: True Hit can beat Dsypo very comfortably 1v1 now. But he can't beat him if he is supported by another powerful Pride Trooper. Hit can't make much of a difference here thanks to Toppo and Jiren

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@deathhero61: jiren has feats. He defeated female broly with 1 attack

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Let is see later in the show how strong Troopers are

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Golden Frieza or Black still easily beat Jiren and Toppo by feats, Hit has already shown he can adapt and beat Dyspo.

By hype Jiren solos the verse.

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Jiren is all hype as of now.

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Seeing how Jiren can one-shot berserker kale who could overpower blue he can take out goku black comfortably.

Seeing how Toppo was presented as equal to SSJB Kaioken Goku and how he could read through all of Hits tricks and strategy while watching his fight with Dyspo, Toppo should be able to take out Hit in a good fight.

Seeing how Dyspo can blitz even characters such as Hit, Champa and Zeno, and how can punch hard enough to seriously injure Hit in just a couple strikes, he can stomp Freeza 10/10.

Pride Troopers handily.

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We will know soon enough

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Villains win toppo and Dyspo would quickly be fodderized by the efforts of the 3 then Goku black can rend reality and summon his clones in for a Gank on Jiren while Hit time skips and Golden frieza attacks.

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@chaos239 said:

Golden Frieza or Black still easily beat Jiren and Toppo by feats, Hit has already shown he can adapt and beat Dyspo.

By hype Jiren solos the verse.

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Seeing how Jiren can one-shot berserker kale who could overpower blue he can take out goku black comfortably.

Seeing how Toppo was presented as equal to SSJB Kaioken Goku and how he could read through all of Hits tricks and strategy while watching his fight with Dyspo, Toppo should be able to take out Hit in a good fight.

Seeing how Dyspo can blitz even characters such as Hit, Champa and Zeno, and how can punch hard enough to seriously injure Hit in just a couple strikes, he can stomp Freeza 10/10.

Pride Troopers handily.

Goku was holding back so much against kale, Toppo was getting his ass beat my blue goku. Dyspo blitzing champa LOL????

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#49  Edited By Thoromdil

@darkerrrrrrrrrr: Goku had no reason to hold back against Kale after she ragdolled him Hulk style, so your argument is invalid and has no affixing. For all we know by now, Kale did overpower blue quite easily and wasn't even bothered by kamehameha to the face and jiren one shot her. This alone puts him way above black

Toppo was losing his ground against blue but he wasn't fighting at full power. When he was about to power up and Goku was entering kaioken blue Grand Priest stopped the fight and Beerus said it was a close match and that it's not good for them. So it wasn't a clear win for Goku by any means, full power Toppo was supposed to be looking like a good match for full power Goku. And when you watch Dyspo fight with Hit, you see Toppo comment on Hits attacks and strategy and he sees right through them. Enough power to match kaioken Blue and enough wits to see through hits strategy I say that's enough to beat Hit.

Dyspo blitzed Champa twice in the episode. just watch it for proof. Evan Vados commented that she "managed" to see what happened, so it was a hard thing to do even for angels. Dyspo with this speed and with enough power to hurt Hit can stomp Golden frieza very comfortably.

Again, Pride troopers win easily.

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#50  Edited By greenarrow5476

Jiren is pretty much featless his two best feats are

1.) Putting down a berserker kale with one blast.

2.) Apparently fighting either base Goku or a new form of Goku In the intro

As of now Jiren is all hype and fanboy wank if Whis was referring to Jiren when he CLAIMED Jiren (We aren't sure if he was referring to Jiren) beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match them he may be physically stronger then Beerus of course this is all Speculation with no real proof or evidence but Jiren will fight Goku in a few episodes where he will probably get alot of new abilities and feats.

Now Freiza gets taken out by toppo Jiren Hit takes out dyspo and now we have Goku Black vs Jiren but as I mentioned earlier Jiren doesn't have many feats and we don't know what all of his abilities are as of NOW So i'll Jiren the benefit of the doubt and say Goku Black vs Jiren is a 50/50 even though as of now Goku Black should beat Jiren.