Gojo vs Meruem

Round 1 : Base

Round 2 : Post Rose Meruem and Gojo with all abilities

From the little i know it is a stomp in favor of Gojo.

gojo solos the verse

Meruem stomps or stalement

Gojo cant touch him due to meruems insane speed

Gojos fodder to meruem in basically every stat (unless he got an op feat that i did not hear about)

and since its post rose cant meruem just make himself small enough to bypass infinity and then one shot with hypnotic scales?

Or meruem blitzes gojo before infinity even activates

Pretty sure Infinity is Passive.

Gojo stomps.

Okay, Imma say a narrative that is very likely to happen:

Meruem spends a few minutes going at Gojo and realizing that he currently cannot bypass infinity (Meruem will know exactly how it works since Gojo will most likely explain it to strengthen his technique). At which point, Meruem will withdraw and find someone with the appropriate type of ability to consume and take.

After doing so, Meruem will come back and probably win or lose depending on what types of powers he managed to find and get.

But that's just me lol

what about beelzebub, can't he make himself small enough to bypass infinity like how shaiapouf made himself small enough to bypass morels barrier?

Edit: and pretty sure that post-rose meruem can also read minds now (shaiapoufs ability) putting him one step ahead of gojo, or he can just read his emotions (which basically allows him to read his mind) so its either stalement or meruem wins

no lol what

Infinity can base things of shape and mass so Beelzebub is useless and operates on an atomic level.

Meruem can't read minds. If he could he wouldn't have been asking about what he forgot after he lost his memories and would have just read wolfens mind instead of scaring wolfen into mentioning kumogi or he would have read pouf mind when he asked pouf if he was hiding anything from him. He hasn't been displayed to be able to read minds and the events that proceeded after his healing actively contradict the possibility that he can read mind.

Also Pouf doesn't literally read minds so you shouldn't conflate the two he uses his dispersed scales in a specialized en that lets him read his opponent's emotions through the fluctuations in their aura, he then makes inferences from that. Its not literal telepathy, it is very limited compared to actual telepathy so even if meruem could use this ability he still wouldn't be able to read literally minds only emotions which is kind of useless since all he'll get are just negative emotions since Jujutsu sorcerers are emitting negative emotions to use cursed energy

If this turns into a war of attrition meruem still loses because although he has a ridiculous amount of energy that is no where near as impressive as the fact that the energy that Gojo uses for his abilities is infinitesimally close to 0 making so he practically has limitless energy

@joshtaku:

This kind of implies Gojo is stupid enough to let Mereum just escape.

Gojo may be eccentric and weird but he is ruthlessly effecient.

@uncannyrewind: About the wolfen part, the only reason why meruem did not know about komugi was because wolfen was not thinking about her but he was thinking about him killing youpi or shit like that

wait shouldn't meruem be fast enough to bypass infinity because infinity was activated gojo could hear jogo talk, so sound speed can bypass gojos barrier and meruem is much faster then sound sooo

True I actually forgot about that but it still isn't going to do anything because of the fact that since Jujutsu sorcerers emit and control their negative emotions to use Jujutsu all he'd be doing is feeling negative emotions from Gojo constantly

oh k

It only took Hanami a few seconds of distraction to get Jogo and get away from Gojo. I have no doubt that Meruem, who is massively faster than both Hanami and Gojo, can get away without any problem. Don't get me wrong, Gojo could attempt to track him and may very well do so. But from the instances so far where enemies have gotten away from Gojo, he didn't even bother to follow-up or do a prolonged search for them.

@uncannyrewind: The limit we've seen for Gojo's energy is three days. After three days of continuously using his infinity and six eyes, he was tired. Now, this was before he learned how to use reversed cursed technique to keep his brain from getting fried due to constant cursed technique usage, but the fact still remains that his energy can still run out. The three days was just from his infinity and six eyes, but if he were to spam his blue, red, and purple then that timeframe would get significantly smaller.

Now, in a battle of attrition between Meruem and Gojo, it comes down to whether Gojo can actually tag Meruem to end the battle as soon as possible. Because we have to give props to Meruem's intellect and assume that he's not going to just keep going at Gojo once he realizes he can't get to him, so his best course of action would be to keep his distance and study Gojo to think of a strategy to beat him. Gojo on the other hand, will be forced on the offensive to try and tag meruem. So the window of opportunity is in favor of Meruem, who has to only wait.

Meruem is nothing more than a nuisance for Gojo.

@joshtaku: Those limitations only apply to him when he was younger. Afterwards he explains that since he now has reverse curse technique he can keep the infinity running all the time since now it doesn't tire him out or fry his brain. These are all weaknesses that Gojo has overcome:

Gojo is literally stated to be incapable of running out of energy. Yuta actually has more cursed enegy than Gojo but Gojo is just incapable of running out of cursed energy:

@uncannyrewind: I know, that's why I emphasized that the reversed cursed technique was only for the benefit of his brain and keeping infinity up. He created a perpetual system that only encompasses Infinity. When it comes to other techniques, that's where energy consumption occurs. No matter how small, he still consumes energy and I used the three days as an example of how long and how much he consumes. Using just infinity and six eyes for three days straight drained him. Now, since he has reversed cursed technique, that's no longer an issue but only when talking about Infinity. Continuous use of red, blue, purple, and other techniques will drain him as the perpetual system gets offset by the outflow of energy exceeding the replenishment of energy.

Gojo also stated himself that he can still get drained/tired after he states that fighting a full powered Sukuna would likely be draining for him. This implies that there is still an upper-limit to his energy.

The energy consumption of his other techniques is still a non factor since we literally know that the energy Gojo expends on other techniques is infinitesimally close to 0( this is literally too small to be even considered an amount of energy used)

"Using just infinity and six eyes for three days straight drained him. Now, since he has reversed cursed technique, that's no longer an issue but only when talking about Infinity."

Using The infinity alone for three days straight only drained him on a physical level( not his cursed energy reserves) that's why he still had energy to use his other techniques without issue after togi stabbed him and why afterwards when he explains his new situation he puts emphasis on the fact of his brain being fried with no mention or even implication of him running out of energy.

"Using just infinity and six eyes for three days straight drained him. Now, since he has reversed cursed technique, that's no longer an issue but only when talking about Infinity."

Again we know that the energy he uses for his techniques is infinitesimally close to 0 so impossible to run out. Plus the six eyes isn't like the sharingan, its perpetually active.

"ontinuous use of red, blue, purple, and other techniques will drain him as the perpetual system gets offset by the outflow of energy exceeding the replenishment of energy."

Again since the energy used for techniques( Red, blue, purple, domain, reverse curse technique and the infinity itself) are infinitely close to 0. The infinity itself only drains him physically and the energy used for it and all his techniques including the one used to make its perpetual use possible is infinitesimally close to 0 so its a closed system.

"Gojo also stated himself that he can still get drained/tired after he states that fighting a full powered Sukuna would likely be draining for him. This implies that there is still an upper-limit to his energy."

Gojo is also the guy that regularly dodge attacks when he doesn't have to so this could be hyperbole or just a way for the author to imply that sukuna has other things up his sleeve that gojo might be worried about.

@uncannyrewind: I don't know if I'm misstating something or if I'm just not getting my point across clearly.

Like I said, the perpetual system he put in place to protect his brain should get offset when consumption starts to outweigh replenishment. In a perpetual system, the flow must be maintained equal at all times. Meaning to say the moment that cursed energy starts to outweigh reversed cursed energy, then the perpetual system gets taken down and the strain to his brain and body start to once again take effect. Sure, his consumption might be infinitesimally small (personally think that's a hyperbole) but there's no denying there is still consumption, and this would break the system.

And there's still the rather vague possibility that the six eyes does not reduce the energy consumption of reversed cursed energy. It is wired to make it so cursed energy usage is negligible, but we can't make the assumption it does so for reversed energy as well, which is positive energy. So whenever he uses red, he multiplies his existing negative energy to create a positive and thus consumes said energy. Whether that consumption is also affected and lessened by six eyes is up in the air, but if it doesn't, that would mean a multiplied chunk of Gojo's negative energy gets consumed to produce the positive energy needed to use red. This train of thought adds credence to the argument I'm making about the perpetual system Gojo made.

So in short, any sort of usage of his cursed technique and reversed cursed technique outside of the perpetual system for his brain will neutralize that system and start to once again put strain on his brain and body. Thus, the three day argument takes into effect once again since the constant flow of reversed energy to his brain was disrupted.

@joshtaku: I think your misunderstanding my point being that the perpetual system has operates on a basis where cursed energy is multiplied to cause the creation of positive energy meaning that the positive energy is always going to be more that the negative (more positive energy gain than negative expended to make it) and this is coupled with the fact that he expends an amount that is infinitesimally close to 0 in terms of negative ( literally so small that it would be negligible no matter how much he used) meaning that the perpetual system is unaffected no matter how much energy he uses since the used negative energy is always infinitesimally close to 0 and the positive energy used is always made by multiplication while it has been stated to be always active.

A possibility isn't a confirmation especially since its never implied or mentioned and reverse cursed energy is also described as "self recovery reverse jujutsu technique" and from what we know as it is described to be constantly running along with the infinity meaning its more likely to be intended to fit into the definition of when gojo uses a technique coupled with the fact that reverse curse energy makes a gain when created( there's always more positive made that regular cursed energy put into making it since its made by multiplication when in large amounts). The rules of the six eyes more likely than anything to apply to reverse techniques,

In short reverse curse should also fall under the banner of a technique

@uncannyrewind: That's my point. There can't be one above the other in a perpetual system. It's perpetual because things are always equally balanced and there is neither a loss or a gain in energy. If he starts using cursed energy, no matter how small the consumption is, there is still a loss on energy and thus violates the rule of perpetual flow. Now, you could say that he can handle this by supplementing the consumed cursed energy with reverse cursed energy but that creates a shift in balance towards positive energy, thus still the system is broken.

I get what you're trying to say but again, no matter how small (even infinitesimally small) a loss in energy is, it's still a loss and violates the flow of perpetual motion. As soon as Gojo starts dishing out cursed techniques, the vacuum left by the consumed negative energy will be filled by positive energy from Gojo's replenishment system, thus offsetting his system.

Think of it like a filled hourglass with negative energy at the bottom and positive at the top. If negative energy starts to trickle down, positive energy takes up the space left by the consumed negative energy. And since he wired his brain to constantly produce positive energy, the space at the top of the hourglass will also be constantly replenished by multiplying and consuming even more negative energy, leaving a surplus of positive energy.

This will then result in one of two ways: either Gojo will be forced to halt his perpetual replenishment system thus allowing his brain and body to get strained, or he leaves it on until he eventually runs out of negative energy.

Gojo's "limitless" energy consumption can go up to "infinite reserves without having any side effects such as imploding . However when he uses techniques such as Red, purple, blue, limitless or D.E it still uses C.E. What Yuta meant by Gojo having "infinitesimally close to zero" it means that whenever Gojo has little portions of C.E that wont drop to zero. Think of it this way, A Phone battery at 100% but whenever its being used it starts dropping. Once it reaches to 1% it will never go down to 0%.

Post Rose meruem blitzes gojo before his brain detects danger level nearby

aka meaning that he makes auto active infinity look like a statue and then bisects him

Gojo brain-fucks the statue before he can react. Nor will Limitless be breached by Brickruem. Limitless is passive, kek.

Or he just erases his existence with Purple. Cope.

@morningstar999: a cursed spirit at the speed of what?..close to sound?..not close?_could avoid hallow purple..now meruem is massively hypersonic on a normal bases and faster than light with his photon en blast...hallow purple is a snail for him

@ronan6996: in what way?

Gojo stomps with infinity Mereum can’t touch him

Gojo solos the fodder verse

Vex_Haid is going to pull up saying otherwise (and not actually providing why)

@vex_haid

Meruem solos the verse

@vex_haid: I wanna see how he gets past infinity, you clearly just hate gojo

@loggy90: no you’re using insane head canon to downplay. If they say his cursed energy usage is infinitesimally close to zero then that’s literally what it means… he uses close to no cursed energy. And the fact cursed energy can be replenished means it’s basically unlimited

meruem solos the verse

He can't even beat Mahito 💀

Even without infinity Gojo claps, lol

Mereum maybe a genius, but once he is inside Gojo DE, he is done. Nothing Mereum do will bypass Gojo infinity.

Lmao what does Mereum do to get Past Infinity/DE?? He's a brick and he will get haxxed to death

@mangacomics69: @agumonx:Didn't DE only work on people with cursed energy?

@jurance: where was it stated that only people with cursed energy can be affected by Domain expansion??

@mangacomics69 said:

I remember seeing a thread talking about how JJK got nerfed because DE was confirmed to only work on people with cursed energy.

Yes but most people assume that energy is = in fights