Gohan and Frieza vs Trunks and Goku Black

Rules:

• In-Character
• Standard Gear
• Random Encounter
• Win by Incap, KO or Death
• Who Wins and Why?

Location:

Gohan and Frieza, Frieza is better than Black and Gohan is better than Trunks

Considering the fact that Black wrecked Goku and Vegeta. I'd say he solo stomps.

Black did beat them, but only when they weren't at their Tournament of Power Levels, since the Pre-ToP Rundown puts Goku as the strongest member of the team, with Frieza being on par.

Per the team rundown, Goku's strength is No.1 on the U7 team, Freeza's is on par (遜色ない) with Goku's

Translation: https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/894447693010845697:

That puts Frieza above End of Black Arc Vegeta, who was above Black.

@karkus: You DO know that Frieza didn't do a single thing on par with Goku in the tournament or the fact that Dyspo was wailing on him?

Databooks aside, Black still wrecks no diff.

Hard to say. I guess I'll go with Black and Trunks do to them having good cutting techniques, being ruthless fighters, Black getting stronger, Black clones, ect.

@b_r023:

You DO know that Frieza didn't do a single thing on par with Goku in the tournament

This databook is referring to right before the Tournament.

This was right before the Tournament, and is where Goku and Frieza are shown on par. With Goku being stronger than Vegeta, Frieza must also be stronger.

or the fact that Dyspo was wailing on him?

Super Maximum Light Speed Dyspo, can't compare him to SSB Goku.

Databooks aside

You can't cast aside databooks for no reason.

@karkus: Feats > Data Books.

By Feats, Goku Black is so far out of Frieza's reach it's not even funny. With clones, cutting, Zenkai and his insane durability and Frieza has shit track record against Piercing attacks.

@b_r023:

Feats > Data Books.

Show me feats that contradict the databook then.

By Feats, Goku Black is so far out of Frieza's reach it's not even funny.

He has no feats far above Frieza. Frieza matched a Goku who surpass End of Black Arc Vegeta, who stomped Goku Black.

and Frieza has shit track record against Piercing attacks.

He was attacked one time with a piecing weapon, by someone stronger than him, not an anti-feat.

In terms of raw power Frieza is the strongest one here. Black got his ass handed to him by Vegeta and Frieza did fought Goku Blue when Goku was getting him from hell for the tournament and they both K.O'd eachother so Frieza is def on par with ToP Goku Blue. Black's clones are the only thing that could pose a treat as those clones where enought to stop Goku and Vegeta at the same time, however the rules of this fight says that everyone is in character, Black managed to create those clones by getting angry and ripping the sky apart, Frieza would have likely finger beam'd Black to death by the time that would happen.

Black>Freeza since he can eventually get stronger during the fight and use clones.

Freeza only matched Goku after being stuck in a hakai ball after a significant amount of time in base

Trunks>Gohan

Black adapts and overcomes, and solos.

Frieza and Gohan unless Trunks uses the Spirit Sword.

Callouts:

Team 2 wins with GB as MVP, frieza and gohan have no answer for his clones, ill even be inclined to say Black can solo this. 2x Divine Lasso ftw tho.

Gohan/Frieza ftw

Let's see: Black has his Scythe, adaptability, Gekiretsu Shin Retsu Zan, Seiryū Tō-gata Kiken and Shunkan Idō. He's carving up Freeza. If Trunks can use the Genki-Sword that's a solo.

Gohan has literally no counter for anything.

Team 2 is more versatile so that's a win for them.

Team two wins.

Team 2. Gohan's a disappointment, as per usual.

@karkus:

This databook is referring to right before the Tournament.

Goku has Kaioken x20 under his sleeve in which he did not use against Frieza during that fight. That official statement is contradicted, unless you're trying to tell me that Golden Frieza is 20x more powerful than SSB.

That puts Frieza above End of Black Arc Vegeta, who was above Black.

Yeah except Black improved and had Goku and Vegeta on the ropes without throwing a single punch.

OT: Black gives them the Goku and Vegeta treatment, he destroys without needing to throw a single punch.

@noobsnowman:

Goku has Kaioken x20 under his sleeve in which he did not use against Frieza during that fight.

They are likely talking about Goku without Kaioken, since they mention his strength being on par with Frieza, which only SSB Goku is.

Yeah except Black improved and had Goku and Vegeta on the ropes without throwing a single punch.

He used clones, doesn't mean his own raw power improved.

OT: Black gives them the Goku and Vegeta treatment, he destroys without needing to throw a single punch.

The clones didn't destroy them, or even knock them out.

@karkus:

They are likely talking about Goku without Kaioken, since they mention his strength being on par with Frieza, which only SSB Goku is.

I'd take that quote with a grain of salt if you have to limit the extent of Goku's power to prove that quote right.

He used clones, doesn't mean his own raw power improved.

His raw power improved to the point that he tore through time dimensions (something that only a Time Ring could do) with a flick of his wrist. That is infinitely better than Vegeta destroying the Room of Spirit and Time after channeling the depths of his strength.

The clones didn't destroy them, or even knock them out.

They could easily have if Black ordered them to. Each clone are more than capable of causing real damage to them, and Goku and Vegeta were not able to even escape them. From what seemed to be an easy victory for the Saiyans, Black turned it around rendered them completely helpless before him. If Black told the clones to kill the pair, Goku and Vegeta would die easily.

And that's only from one slice of Goku Black's scythe. Imagine slicing way more portal rifts, and way more legions of clones in the midst of combat.

Team 2, Gohan is the weak link

@noobsnowman:

I'd take that quote with a grain of salt if you have to limit the extent of Goku's power to prove that quote right.

The fact that they are discounting Kaioken doesn't mean it's completely incorrect.

His raw power improved to the point that he tore through time dimensions

This is similar to what Super Buu did, and we don't know if Black could have done this or not, given he never tried before. Vegeta still dodged the attack.

That is infinitely better than Vegeta destroying the Room of Spirit and Time

That's a Planetary feat, and not infinitely better, otherwise Black would have Infinite strength.

They could easily have if Black ordered them to.

But why didn't he?

and Goku and Vegeta were not able to even escape them.

Due to their constant regeneration.

@karkus:

The fact that they are discounting Kaioken doesn't mean it's completely incorrect.

If anything, Goku's Kaioken contradicts the quote, because only Goku only needed SSB to match Golden Frieza but he still has way more power under his disposal.

This is similar to what Super Buu did, Vegeta still dodged the attack.

Super Buu only tore a dimension between the Room of Spirit of Time, he only did what Vegeta did but to a much lesser degree.

and we don't know if Black could have done this or not, given he never tried before.

Black would easily have replicated it in spades. If his feat is similar to Vegeta's but superior in every perceivable way, replicating a simple dimension tearing feat between two dimensions is the least of his worries.

But why didn't he?

Because he wants to Goku and Vegeta to feel helpless of being unable to protect those they swore to protect, before killing them.

Due to their constant regeneration.

And if they can't get past the clones, they won't be able to approach Black, let alone defeat him.

team 2 Gohan really holds Frieza back and Frieza will be wanting Black to suffer because Goku body lol

BIG MISTAKE.

"This pain will make me stronger"

He will adapt to fodderize Frieza whose known for not really doing smart choices.

>Taunted Toppo end result: Toppo awakens his GoD power and utterly slaps Frieza into next week

>Used a Supernova against a Damn Hakai sphere of Destruction in a pure act of idiocy while out of Gold might I add.

> Taunted Dyspo. End result: Dyspo went super speed mode and started bodying Frieza.

>Taunted a down and out Jiren End Result: Jiren got his power back and proceeded to beat the crap out of Frieza.

He'll taunt Goku Black in a similar method and ignore any attempts of listening to Gohan's strategy.

He'll get the upper hand and "Hoh hoh hoh" Goku black and Trash talk him which leads to Black growing stronger than Frieza and Bodying him.

bump

Frieza > Black Goku > Gohan > Trunks

Gohan and Frieza take this.

Team 2

Frieza nuke earth

Black solos.

@crimsonslayer85: he cant, lol

TOP frieza = TOP ssb >>> post Rosat vegeta >> end of zamasa arc vegeta >> black

Black needed a rage boost plus Clones to beat this vegeta

@bills: Vegeta only overpowered Black through a temporary rage boost. Later on, he didn't perform any better than Goku against the clones or Fused Zamasu.

After creating his scythe, Black was so much stronger than them that he cornered them with just his clones. Black even stated that he would have only bothered to fight them personally once he killed their loved ones and made them stronger with the power of their rage. Black was standing there laughing while Goku and Vegeta were unable to deal with the clones and their regeneration. What stops him from doing the same against Frieza and Gohan, who are an inferior duo compared to Goku and Vegeta?

Plus, the producer of DBS quoted Black as the strongest unfused Fighter at the time excluding Beerus, which would place him above SSBKKX10 Goku, which was his strongest form at the time.

Black already solo'ed a similar duo with laughable ease, and you're telling me that this duo would somehow perform better?

Obviously, Frieza solos if this is the manga version.

@crimsonslayer85: the Clones were getting one Shots by goku and vegeta, vegeta didnt get a rage boost meanwhile black straight out stated that he get a one

@noobsnowman: stop This bullshit

Both of them are stronger than the one in fused zamasa arc and frieza alone did tank worse then both from jiren and Toppo

And fuzed zamasa was stronger than black Lol,

@bills:

Both of them are stronger than the one in fused zamasa arc

No proof for that.

frieza alone did tank worse then both from jiren and Toppo

Jiren and Toppo are irrelevant here.

@bills:

the Clones were getting one Shots by goku and vegeta,

Yes, only for them to regenerate and keep their assault. If they weren't able to put a dent on their regenerative capabilities, then each clone was individually superior to them. As we saw with Buu, regeneration is useless if the opponent is much stronger. Yet Goku and Vegeta were unable to sweep the clone aside and get close to Black.

vegeta didnt get a rage boost meanwhile black straight out stated that he get a one

He did. Black specifically said that he turned anger into power, then used the same method to get a permanent power up and create his scythe.

You also outright ignored Black being confident in fighting an enraged Goku and Vegeta at the same time, as well as the producer's quote which would place Black above SSBKKX10 Goku.

And Black aside, Trunks swatted aside Future Zamasu (a SSB level fighter) with a single blast and was able to overpower a Black who had reached a level where he could easily overpower an enraged SSB Goku. So Trunks can also solo without problems here.

Goku Black is easily stronger than the likes of freeza, cell and buu, he would overwhelm team 1 by himself, trunks is not needed

@crimsonslayer85: 1_ they didnt regen, they get destroyed, another ones were made, thats not regen

2_ Black is not stronger than Fused Zamasu ok, its not hard to get right?

@hayayubasa: if you mean by standing up after eating a Hakai that warped to world of void? Sure Black is stronger

Thanks to Broly I don't think either of these two could do much to kill Freiza.

OT: Freiza > Goku Black > Gohan > Trunks

Frieza solos.

Trunks and Black. ToP took place directly after the time travel arc and people seem to be very purposely ignoring that. Trunks stomps Freeza again. Gohan loses to the combined power of Black and Trunks.

goku black eventually wears team 1 down.

@wabubub: after vegeta trained inside Rosat, after Goku got stronger

@bills:

1_ they didnt regen, they get destroyed, another ones were made, thats not regen

Yes, they were destroyed but that only ended up in making even more clones. This shows that Goku and Vegeta couldn't do anything to get past the clones.

_ Black is not stronger than Fused Zamasu ok, its not hard to get right?

What in the world are you talking about? Black literally said that Goku and Vegeta weren't worth his time unless they became stronger with the power of their anger. The producer put Black above SSBKKX10 Goku. I never even mentioned Fused Zamasu, who would blink anyone in this battle.