Gogeta blue (Broly Movie) vs Current MUI Goku

VS

We're going off by Manga scaling.

This is Broly Movie Gogeta blue and Current MUI Goku from the latest Manga chapter

Who wins and Why?

Goku due to Merus's statement and the nature of ultra instinct

Goku. Even if Gogeta could match his power, MUI outfights him still.

Manga scaling?

Still Gogeta blue

Gogeta due to Toyotaro's entire arc being a load of complete trash.

Gogeta blue still has the Power Advantage in this Fight.

Shouldn't Gogeta also be capable of MUI?

This is Gogeta blue, not MUI.

MUI Gogeta is a no brainer. This won't even be a match then

Did MUI get new feats/statements? I'm not up to date with the Moro arc.

@takenstew22: Yes, He no diffed a "beaten" 73 Moro. I still would put Gogeta blue above MUI Goku in power. Especially going by Manga scaling.

I also pictured Gogeta above MUI because of the fusion boost and the way he stomped Broly.

@takenstew22: Vegito Blue in the Manga is already stronger than Beerus or at the very least equal to him. But most likely surpasses him. And that statement is also backed up from the V Jump guide.

The gap between Vegito blue black arc (who is already equal to Beerus if not stronger) and Gogeta blue (Movie) is too huge. 73 Moro is barely stronger than Beerus.

If Moro was already beaten, isn't that a lesser feat than the Jiren fight?

@gogito: moro only lost the ability to copy and use techniques which wouldn't have made a difference considering how he went full power against mui goku and still got destroyed with absolute ease.

There are two ways to beat MUI Goku:

1. You have to be stronger. Not just stronger, rediculus stronger. Even that's not enough. You need Saitamas bullshit strength.

Or

2. With some rediculus instant op hax.

No one beats MUI Goku in a pure H2H.

MUI Goku stomps. Even before the Moro arc he was stronger than Gogeta.

whose to say Gogeta couldnt tap into it

If this is manga scaling, I can honestly see this go either way. I'll probably favour MUI Goku for now though, but it's close.

If this is anime scaling, MUI Goku simply dominates.

People don't realise that Gogeta if scaled from the manga is significantly more powerful. Gogeta utilizes the power of MSSB rather than just ordinary SSB. There is a major power gap between the two levels of power. Broly if scaled from the manga is also significantly more powerful, because the LSSJ form actually isn't that far from MSSB, as shown by Kale in the ToP.

Also, for context, Moro was greatly weakened. He already lost his copy ability and he took noticeable damage from Merus' Angel powers.

MUI wins High diff, the only reason why MUI wins is because of speed and a slight edge in H2H

Gogeta wins mid diff. He still has the power advantage

@thegodmadara: nah. Gogeta blue has the power advantage and he hits way harder than Jiren.

@gogito: ah true IDK which version of MUI they are talking about the MUI thas fighting Moro could win but TOP MUI gets beat mid diff by Gogeta

Depends on how much time each of the forms have. Current MUI might take it if he can outlast Gogeta, if Gogeta outlasts MUI he wins. In power Gogeta should still be above by a little but MUI has other advantages that makes me want to say 50-50. MUI from TOP loses pretty bad. Current should be a few times stronger at minimum along with the ability to grow in combat and adapt so eh.. I’ll have to revisit this and give my final thoughts.

UI goku mid diffs gogeta.

73 Moro is easily above Korean and goku best the shit out of him effortlessly

@kingxix: Manga scaling dude.

It depends if 73 Moro surpasses Beerus or not. Vegito blue from the Manga is already stronger than beerus or at least equal (most liekly stronger) and this is backed up by the V jump magazine.

And Gogeta blue (Broly Movie) is massively stronger than Black arc Vegito blue who is most likely stronger than Beerus.

Gogeta mid diffs here

@gogito: It's questionable if he is stonher or not because it was supreme Kai who said he MIGHT have surpassed beers, he never said he absolutely surpassed beerus.

And manga beerus took on all the gods of destruction with only partial ui and MSSB vegeta was one shotted by a serious beerus easily. And MSSB vegeta should be equal to MSSB goku who was overpowering merged zamasu.

Doesn't matter if he is broly arc gogeta cause here it is clearly stated that this is current UI goku. Current goku is tiers above his broly arc part and fodderised Moro who fodderises a stronger SSBE vegeta, UI omen goku, MSSB goku, enraged ultimate gohan, picollo, Android 17 and 18.

This Moro is absolutely above FP jiren from manga and he gets shitted on by goku.

Goku UI mid diffs gogeta

@kingxix: You missed my point.

The series is trying to imply that Vegito blue is stronger or relative to Beerus. Its not only the manga, but Video games as well.

Merged Zamasu states that Vegito blue has surpassed the Gods in the Anime. And shin states that Vegito blue has "already" surpassed Beerus. The creator is trying to tell us that Vegito blue from the black arc is relative to Beerus if not stronger. You also ignored my point, The V jump scan even backs it up. And thats a reliable source. Vegito blue (black arc)>Beerus.

Yes Beerus did took on all gods, and if you replace that with Vegito blue, he could've done the same thing. Given by shin's statement and the V jump magazine.

MSSB Vegeta isn't remotely close to Vegito blue. C'mon, you seriously comparing MSSB Vegeta to Vegito blue??. Vegito blue was literally taking a crap on Merged Zamasu. I wouldn't say he overpowered Merged Zamasu, but MSSB Goku was on his level.

Doesn't matter if he is broly arc gogeta cause here it is clearly stated that this is current UI goku. Current goku is tiers above his broly arc part

Doesn't matter if its Current UI. Gogeta still has the power advantage. Gogeta blue is massively stronger than Vegito blue from the Black arc who is as strong if not stronger than Beerus.

fodderised Moro who fodderises a stronger SSBE vegeta, UI omen goku, MSSB goku, enraged ultimate gohan, picollo, Android 17 and 18.

Don't get this part of what you said. Nothing really says implies Moro is stronger than Beerus. The only thing close we got is him saying that he transcends the gods. When he doesn't even know what an Angel is.

This Moro is absolutely above FP jiren from manga and he gets shitted on by goku.

When was Jiren in the Manga stronger than Beerus??

I can also say that Vegito blue>>FP Jiren in the Manga

Goku UI mid diffs gogeta

Nah. Gogeta blue mid diffs MUI Goku. Mainly because of his power. The only thing MUI has that can hang on to Gogeta blue in a fight is his mastery of self movement. thats all

Couldn't be more accurate

@gogito: well let's agree to disagree

@kingxix: Alright, but I provided you with proof. oh well...

I dont think Gogeta blue can touch MUI

@gogito: Again the same thing.

It's questionable itself when shin says that. Is there even a reason to believe that shin has seen beerus going all-out.

Merged zamasu saying that means crap cause merged zamasu comes nowhere close to a power of God of destruction. He was overpowered by ssb kaioken goku.

Please post the scan here.

Mssb is stronger than fused zamasu and was overpowering him slowly.

As I said It's questionable itself as shin said it. There is potentially no way us to say if shin had seen beerus going all out.

So what do you want to say???? Moro is absolutely above the gods of destruction. Same goes for jiren and broly. And Moro took hits from an angel and still didn't get one shotted whereas beerus had been one shotted by whis multiple times.

I will gladly disagree with that. There is no way in hell that ssb vegito is stronger than fp jiren in manga. He was fodderising MSSB goku and vegeta and was easily stronger than SSBE vegeta whose power is comparable ui omen goku during T.O.P arc.

UI goku us easily the strongest in the manga after the angels at this point where beerus goes as far as to say that his fighting was god like. Beerus had never complimented goku or vegeta to this extent.

And one single punch from current UI goku was so strong that even beerus and Whis had to close their eyes from the shockwave.

UI goku is stronger than gogeta

Still Gogeta

There are people on here who think LB Jiren and UI sign Goku can beat Broly and Gogeta

Gogeta wins high diff, he oneshot someone who goku thinks is stronger than Beerus

@thegodmadara: Jiren is a non-factor to Gogeta lol

He schools jiren negg diff

@gogito: Exactly until we see jiren again Gogeta>>>>>>LB Jiren, and People need to realise that SSJ Broly scales to SSB Gogeta

@thegodmadara: the reason why I say gogeta wins here is because

Vegito blue in the manga is stronger than beerus. Gogeta blue is MASSIVELY... I mean massively stronger than Vegito blue who is stronger than beerus.

MUI Goku isn't that much stronger than beerus unlike Gogeta

Goku Mid Diff.

Still Gogeta, but he'll have some trouble due to stuff like auto dodging and the fact that this is a stronger Goku. Fusion multipliers should ridicilous seeing as Kale and Caulifla went from below fatigued SSJ3 Goku and SSG Goku to above UI Omen 2. This might change later with statements and feats, and more then likely the anime version of the events will have a completely different powerscale.

Just saw the latest chapter. I actually think MUI has a chance here.

I honestly haven’t been following the latest DB.

Just how powerful is Goku now? People saying he’s universal + now?

Well even anime Goku is universal+.

Anyway, current manga MUI Goku lolstomped 73 Moro.

Gogeta mid to high diff

@takenstew22: the fight certainly is close.

But Gogeta Blue still has the power advantage in this fight. The only thing that keeps MUI in this battle is his self movement ability.

@takenstew22:

Who is 73 Moro? Lol

Moro who absorbed Seven-three, a decently powerful character in his own right that can copy abilities.