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#1  Edited By Uchiha545

Most argue that with 100% of the Godwave in control Diana can take on opponents abstract level so I wanted to see which force is the stronger of the comics.

Wonder Woman in complete control of the Godwave (Speculation within reason allowed)

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White Phoenix of the Crown (Jean Grey)

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Space in a united multiverse

Who would win in a battle between the Princess bestowed with the Godwave one of the strongest forces in DC vs One of the strongest telepaths in Marvel bestowed with the Phoenix Force one of the strongest forces in Marvel?

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How powerful is the Pheonix Force?

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@wolfrazer you know Galactus, the guy who eats planets? Pheonix Force beat him.

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#6  Edited By Wolfrazer  Online

@deadlake: K but still, how powerful is the Force? Because the GW is Multiverse, as it is everywhere through various dimensions/Earths. At least if what I'm remembering is right. Having SpeedForce, the GL energy, etc so on and so forth.

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Diana has no defence against telepathy. Well, maybe some training and a strong will but nothing to compare to Jean's powers. That alone will make it a decisive win for W.C Phoenix, even if their other powers are on a similar level.

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Phoenix Force.

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GodWave gives power to all Gods and Superheroes (including speed force, Quantum Field and guardians of Oa energy) with 100% control over it (which never actually happened) it would crush Phoenix Force

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#10  Edited By micah007123

Phoenix Force me thinks.

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#11  Edited By Saint_Sophie

With all of the godwave wouldn't Diana just go crazy or could she handle all of it?

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Phoenix Force still. The life force of everything in the universe is stronger than the forces of a select group of beings in the universe.

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Godwave. It is part of the source. It fuels all the powers in DCU.

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Christ, what is wrong with this place? Phoenix has a PROVEN track record of feats, it STOMPS the holy hell out of Godwave WW. This DC wins just on pure freaking speculation, no limits and power scaling is getting nauseating.

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phoenix force, maybe

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@micah said:

Phoenix Force me thinks.

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Plus this thread is a joke

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Someone mind explaining what feats are attributed to the Godwave? Has it shown anything on par with the Phoenix Force?

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@indomitableregal: No or at least nothing directly, it's mostly just stated. I mean Ares had the full thing at one point, but was defeated due to ridiculous plot device.

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Phoenix force seemed a lot more impressive to me.

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#23  Edited By IndomitableRegal

@wolfrazer: Thank you. Concerning the match, I usually try not to downplay something that only has statements by too much. The only problem is, The Phoenix Force is ridiculously powerful and has the feats to support it. I'll take Jean for now.

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@indomitableregal: I mean...Cronus with only 2 portions of the GW from the Greek/Hindu pantheons, pretty much stomped Heaven and all the guys that were fighting him, he only died cause of the Presence. So....I mean there's something for it....but as far as full power? Yeah...nothing really, Ares was defeated due to stupid plot before he could use it....and when I mean stupid, I mean like...extremely stupid.

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Phoenix Force.

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People don't understand the Godwave...

It was responsible for creating the likes of the Speed Force, the Quantum Field, and the energy channeled by the Guardians of the Universe, e.g. emotional Spectrum.

So it's essentially a mystical energy created by the Source vs the White Phoinex Jean.

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People don't understand the Godwave...

It was responsible for creating the likes of the Speed Force, the Quantum Field, and the energy channeled by the Guardians of the Universe, e.g. emotional Spectrum.

So it's essentially a mystical energy created by the Source vs the White Phoinex Jean.

I agree people underestimate it because it lacks feats but it is incredibly powerful

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@sophia89: the Godwave on its first pass made all gods and their powers, on its second it made all physics based powers.

Wonder Woman has never had the full Godwave anyway

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is this a joke?

phoenix at full power fought with pre retconned beyonder.... WPoTC phoenix is a mutliversal being..... it's a big mismatch

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Phoenix force.

DF Jean destroyed a solar system.

DF Scott was bigger than the universe, or at least a few galaxies.

WPOTWC warped reality.

The phoenix force represents rebirth in marvel, that is on par with Galactus.

green phoenix (weakest phoenix) defeated galactus

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No one in history has ever had the full Godwave.

The Titan of time was the one that had the most power, and even he only had the energies of a few pantheons on one earth. The Godwave is responsible for creating all gods in all universes. And even with that power he was razing all in his path

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@ssj_god: Did Phoenix at full power hurt Beyonder?

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@ssj_god: Did Phoenix at full power hurt Beyonder?

lol.. not really .. pre retcon beyonder was actually only second to TOAA ..... but phoenix was given the chance to defeat beyonder (by beyonder himself)... they fought ...though she failed :D

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@ssj_god: I guess it's impressive that she didn't get blinked out of existence. Was he trying a little at least?

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@wolfrazer: yeah, I forgot. He was waiting for elevation above all gods in the universe, and in those moments he's at his most weakest or something.

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#38  Edited By Wolfrazer  Online

@baron_von_santa: DC Ares could never catch a break, all he wanted was power! Is that so wrong?! Although I thought it was some BS machine DS pulled outta his butt and all the heroes banning together in friendship or some ***?

But...either way, yeah, completely dumb.

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@ssj_god: I guess it's impressive that she didn't get blinked out of existence. Was he trying a little at least?

yes.. they were fighting (like molecule man was fighting with beyonder.... though beyonder defeated MM easily)

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@sophia89 said:

@ssj_god: Sorta,it fought a hungry Galactus, Galactus knew the food would not be worth the fight so he retreated.

Galactus is the opposite of the phoenix, they balance each other.

The Goblin Force is the opposite of the Phoenix.

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@ssj_god said:

@uchiha454 said:

@ssj_god: I guess it's impressive that she didn't get blinked out of existence. Was he trying a little at least?

yes.. they were fighting (like molecule man was fighting with beyonder.... though beyonder defeated MM easily)

Interesting I can see why many say the Phoenix Force wins this idk if Godwave could replicate that feat but I wouldn't put it out of the running completely since we are unaware of its full potential.

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I'd say phoenix force. It is ridiculously powerful.

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Phoenix force.

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@sophia89 said:

@ssj_god: Sorta,it fought a hungry Galactus, Galactus knew the food would not be worth the fight so he retreated.

Galactus is the opposite of the phoenix, they balance each other.

The Goblin Force is the opposite of the Phoenix.

The First Fallen is the opposite of the Phoenix in 616.

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#46  Edited By ssj_god

@mysticmedivh said:

@sophia89 said:

@ssj_god: Sorta,it fought a hungry Galactus, Galactus knew the food would not be worth the fight so he retreated.

Galactus is the opposite of the phoenix, they balance each other.

The Goblin Force is the opposite of the Phoenix.

The First Fallen is the opposite of the Phoenix in 616.

ok.. everyone have said everything... now i'm the opposite force of phoenix

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#47  Edited By Chazz85

Phoneix force.

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@ssj_god said:

@lordofallhumans said:

@mysticmedivh said:

@sophia89 said:

@ssj_god: Sorta,it fought a hungry Galactus, Galactus knew the food would not be worth the fight so he retreated.

Galactus is the opposite of the phoenix, they balance each other.

The Goblin Force is the opposite of the Phoenix.

The First Fallen is the opposite of the Phoenix in 616.

ok.. everyone have said everything... now i'm the opposite force of phoenix

Well the First Fallen is not really a force and is not on par with the Phoenix, he is just an entity that represents stagnation which opposes the Phoenix as the embodiment of life, death, rebirth which are cycles of perpetuation. He is the male counter to the feminine energies of the Phoenix, as the Watcher assigned gender to both of them when he was explaining what the First Fallen was.

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@ssj_god said:

@lordofallhumans said:

@mysticmedivh said:

@sophia89 said:

@ssj_god: Sorta,it fought a hungry Galactus, Galactus knew the food would not be worth the fight so he retreated.

Galactus is the opposite of the phoenix, they balance each other.

The Goblin Force is the opposite of the Phoenix.

The First Fallen is the opposite of the Phoenix in 616.

ok.. everyone have said everything... now i'm the opposite force of phoenix

Well the First Fallen is not really a force and is not on par with the Phoenix, he is just an entity that represents stagnation which opposes the Phoenix as the embodiment of life, death, rebirth which are cycles of perpetuation. He is the male counter to the feminine energies of the Phoenix, as the Watcher assigned gender to both of them when he was explaining what the First Fallen was.

that may have.. but i'm the opposite of phoenix force now

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#50  Edited By LordOfAllHumans

@ssj_god said:

@lordofallhumans said:

@ssj_god said:

@lordofallhumans said:

@mysticmedivh said:

@sophia89 said:

@ssj_god: Sorta,it fought a hungry Galactus, Galactus knew the food would not be worth the fight so he retreated.

Galactus is the opposite of the phoenix, they balance each other.

The Goblin Force is the opposite of the Phoenix.

The First Fallen is the opposite of the Phoenix in 616.

ok.. everyone have said everything... now i'm the opposite force of phoenix

Well the First Fallen is not really a force and is not on par with the Phoenix, he is just an entity that represents stagnation which opposes the Phoenix as the embodiment of life, death, rebirth which are cycles of perpetuation. He is the male counter to the feminine energies of the Phoenix, as the Watcher assigned gender to both of them when he was explaining what the First Fallen was.

that may have.. but i'm the opposite of phoenix force now

Cool with me, can I borrow some powers? How do you operate :)