Goddess Madoka vs Xeno Goku

Who wins? And don't make it a flame war please. Give your reasons.

Toki Toki is multiversal+ due to being the embodiment of time and demigra absorbed him to destroy infinite timelines . He then destroyed the crack of time and real world which are higher dimensions above the infinite multiverse. So demigra ranges to high multiversal+ to low complex multiversal and Goku stomped him.

@ghostwarren: I don't think demigra destroyed crack of time. It was Our CaC that destroyed the crack of time with a super Kamehameha.

Our CaC is actually above demigra in terms of power.

Madoka easily

Goku wins mid diff

There is no infinite multiverse in DB. There are finite timelines that are manually created by time travelers. Only the possibilities of what timelines can be created are endless. Another reason that no one in DB has infinite power is because they still have transformations with a finite multiplier. And even if Goku was infinite multiversal (he isn't), he's a MFTL+ statue with no hax reaching even the most basic conceptual level, which is a must requirement to even be barely relevant at this tier. And infinite speed via IT is irrelevant, as he needs to use his base finite speed to pull off the maneuver.

Meanwhile Madoka is a conceptual law of reality that is omnipresent across a truly infinite multiverse. Even if Goku had infinite speed, Madoka is everywhere at once in the past present and future of every timeline, to which there are an infinite amount. She would hit Goku at every point in time and every alternate version of himself in every timeline. He cannot tank her hits because her attacks erase concepts, and likewise he cannot damage her because she is an abstract conceptual law that his hax have no feats of effecting.

@just_naufal@blazeking22@ghostwarren

@typeiv: there are infinite timelines . you proved nothing

@blazeking22: Oh, so you're a troll.

@typeiv: no. You're a downplayer.

@typeiv: They're are infinite timelines. You proved nothing

@blazeking22: I'll humor you simply for my own amusement. How does Goku not die less than instantly to Madoka?

@typeiv: because they're on the same level of not higher for goku

Goku mid difficulty

dear mother of god. Not even vsbattles downplays DBH so hard compared to many users here and they even changed their infinte speed norm a few times cuz DBH qualified for infinte speed.

@typeiv: I think you are misunderstanding the concept here. This is not from DB canon verse but the DBH verse which has hax and infinite timelines.

@blazeking22: goku is a hill buster :)

Can Goku actually survive in space? How can he interact with a concept across the multiverse without a body anyway?

I'm speaking of DBH. I debunked the infinite timelines; and fodder DBH hax arguably aren't even considered hax at Madoka's tier.

Only for a limited time going off feats.

How can he interact with a concept across the multiverse without a body anyway?

He can't.

@typeiv: well you're wrong and don't know anything about dbh then

@blazeking22:

@typeiv:

@typeiv: a gif that means what

@typeiv: You have proven nothing

@typeiv: How are you debunking something that is specificly stated in the manga more than once?

Because I've played the XV games and know how timelines work. Don't come at me saying I'm wrong if you can't provide a counterargument.

And no one is answering how Goku can do anything except die less than instantly even with the assumed infinite multiverse wank.

@typeiv: its not wank . there are infinite timelines in xenoverse so you proved nothing

@typeiv: Pretty sure he's talking about Heroes and not Xenoverse

OT: Goku loses badly

Same canon.

@typeiv: Didn't know about that lol

@blazeking22:

@typeiv said:

Lol

Goku stomps

Madoka is a concept and transcends an infinite multiverse + an nonexistent multiverse. There is no way he can hurt her.

@typeiv: and your point is

Still madoka stomps

@bgninjaq: goku still stomps

@blazeking22:
"Goku stomps"
"Large planet at best"
"Toribot Omnipotent"
Get lost already.

Xeno Goku wins

Even if we assume Goku is infinite multiversal he still gets neg diffed.

Goku stomps negg diff

idk how the guy above me and his alts aren't banned.

Mismatch. Madoka is way beyond Goku his paygrade, he dies a horrible death.

Goku wins mid diff

Now this is something I can agree on.

@typeiv: Heroes has Xenoverse as part of their verse in it but is not the same canon because the characters that are in Heroes are not in Xenoverse. You can't use Xenoverse mechanics to debunk something from a different series.

I won't argue about Madoka verse because i have no clue about it so why should i make an arugment lol

@kratosx64x: Pretty sure it's the same canon bud. Also the translation meant countless IIRC.

@typeiv: countless has the same meaning as infinte in fictional work most of the time. No DBH has DBS, Xenoverse, GT, Movies and so on as a parallel universes inside their verse. It is not the same canon. You can't go there without any indication whatsoever. Having Xenoverse characters inside is logical within DBH because it has all the characters from all mediaforms from DB in their verse.

@blazeking22: how does goku win this? From what they've said of her character goku can't interact with her