GoD UI Gogeta Vs Beerus

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Plot:

Goku and Vegeta decide to fuse in order to beat Granolah the strongest mortal in the univers wished by the dragon balls, they both eat a sensu bean and power up to their UE/UI Form and fuse.....

After Gogeta one Shot Granolah he decide its Time to end Beerus once and for all while remembering who gave Freiza the green light to blow up planet Vegeta.

Beerus knows about whats coming and he's ready for war.

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Whis will Battle Gogeta if he Beats Beerus in the Second Round

Rules:

• No Time Limit to Gogeta Fusion.
• Whis cant Get erase if he fights for real or Beerus Dies due to his Angel laws.
• Battle on Beerus Planet.
• Morals OFF.
• Beerus Finally can go all out.

Honestly still Beerus…….

According to Beerus fans he stomp everyone in the verse including Grand priest and zeno.

@areneacaulem: Beerus UI is not mastered on The Angel level but it is on Goku level or at least they retcon it.

At ToP Beerus admitted Goku learn UI before he did but when MUI Goku trained with Whis Beerus said to Vegeta he and the Gods can use this level UI too.

Beerus over all experience with Hakai and UI probably give him the win in a High Diff battle.

@lilgodperv: Well at least I admit it will be hard for him to Beat this Version of Gogeta……

Till now evry Beerus threads I saw was a mismatch this one finally made me scratch my head.

Blue Gogeta could beat him

No need for this over-the-top transformation

@boby501: Just lmao. OP wrote an entire fanfic surrounding gogeta's fusion and he still loses.

Beerus' power is relative to other Gods of Destruction, which makes him inferior to Goku and Jiren.

Gogeta Blue alone should win, honestly.

Plus, I'm sure made up characters are not allowed in battle threads.

@noobsnowman: Shame if true. This has been a fun thread! Can fan made characters be used in off topic board?

Not that bs. Jiren is inferior to Moro 73 who got bodied by more arc MUI Goku. Beerus is still ahead of Goku even in the Granola arc according to Toyotarou. To sum it all up, Beerus > MUI Goku (Granola arc) > MUI Goku (Moro arc) > MUI Goku (TOP) > Jiren, if you deny this, you're denying the writer.

Beerus still wins. He's Vegeta with millions of years of training and experience, and he's also got UI, although not the perfected version like Goku.

People really need to let go of the Jiren being stronger than all gods of destruction statement. It was just to hype of the final TOP fight because they retconned it already the last 2 arcs in the manga

Toyotaro isn't the writer of this arc or of the story of DBS

Not sure why people keep saying this. lol

@wizardking: Room for improvement =/= Beerus is better. There was no explicit mention in regards to power.

MUI Goku isn't better currently compared to ToP, Goku didnt even know that he could improve the power in his MUI form until recently when Whis told him that there are higher forms of Ultra Instinct, and even then that was not the focus of his training because Whis said that Goku should improve on the stamina usage of the form first. But it does not matter anyways since it is established that Jiren is better than Belmod, confirmed by multiple in universe sources and statements, and Goku is just better than him in a fight. And if Beerus is relative to Belmod, Goku bodies him.

@harrisonmesko:

Not sure about off topic but I'm pretty sure battles should only be for battle threads, but the rule specifically says:

No Fake Characters

Do not make up a character, like "Me with Superman's powers vs Thor," or a fan fic character that you made up. Characters have to originate from an officially published work of media.

Since GoD UI Gogeta does not officially exist, he is a fake character.

So in what ways does Goku need to surpass Beerus in other than power?

Incorrect since he trained with Meerus for 3 months and bodied Moro 73 as if he were fodder even though Moro 73 is stated to be more powerful than Jiren.

That doesn't matter, not all the Destroyers are on the same tier, for example, Beerus told SSJB Vegeta that he is qualified to be a Destroyer in another universe, but not universe 7, so SSJB Goku is Destroyer tier for other universes, but even SSJBE Vegeta who is equal to Kaioken x20 Goku still got bodied by Beerus.

@dbzfan44

@wizardking:

So in what ways does Goku need to surpass Beerus in other than power?

Goku has surpassed Beerus in multiple ways besides power, lol. He is faster, he is more skilled, he has more mastery over a technique that Beerus himself struggled to master over a million years.

Ironically, Beerus himself used that very technique in the Zen Exhibition match, and his flaws with it got hard exposed halfway during the match.

Incorrect since he trained with Meerus for 3 months and bodied Moro 73 as if he were fodder even though Moro 73 is stated to be more powerful than Jiren.

The point of his training with Merus is for Goku to be able to use Ul Omen consciously and conserve the stamina usage of the form, not for him to be more powerful, because Goku knew that he needed that very form to fight Moro. And the notion of Goku not getting stronger in MUI is factually correct, how can Goku get stronger in MUI if he does not know how the form gets stronger in the first place?

But anyways, Goku was bodying Jiren just the same as he did Moro-73, at least until his form got weaker. Just because Goku said that Moro-73 is better does not mean that he is much stronger than Jiren, for all we know he could be slightly more powerful.

That doesn't matter, not all the Destroyers are on the same tier, for example, Beerus told SSJB Vegeta that he is qualified to be a Destroyer in another universe, but not universe 7,

Pretty sure he meant Destroyer Candidate, not Destroyer itself. Toppo is a Destroyer Candidate for Universe 11, and we know how he compares to Belmod.

And then we look at the performance of all the Destroyers in the Zen Exhibition match, and we can see that all of their performances are relative to each other, with Beerus and Belmod standing out as slightly superior above others. And then we have Jiren, who is credited prior to the ToP as a near invincible fighter who has yet to have an equal, which means that he surpasses all beings in U11 but the Angels, confirmed by Toppo himself. And by extension, given Belmod's parity with Beerus in the match, Jiren is above Beerus.

MUI goku would stomp

Gogeta stomps the Beerus wank is out of control base Gogeta would be well above UI going off fusion dance scaling alone.

Gogeta completely obliterates the gods of destruction, there's no way for beerus to stand a chance against this overwhelming gag force of Gogeta, only the angels are above him

Just like literally everyone in this threads been saying. Beerus still wins.

lmao at beerus winning against the fusion multiplier, stacked with UI and Ego.

The db fan copium for beerus not being stronger despite being stated and shown is rather telling lol.

i can't believe there are still people who think jiren is stronger than beerus, despite this meaning that by extention. he would be stronger than those listed

• moro
• granola
• MUI goku
• Ultra ego vegeta
• LSS broly
• Vegito/gogeta

crazy, that's some S class tier copium.

Gogeta stomps

Gogeta stomps but it's been reinforced as of recently that Beerus is much stronger than previously intended. Jiren is no longer > Beerus unless you think he's vastly superior to UE Vegeta.

Sweet Jesus, the cope.

@gangorca: I made an entire case for this and this is what you got?

Let's hear your reasoning then.

Jiren is no longer > Beerus unless you think he's vastly superior to UE Vegeta.

Uh... yes he is? Beerus is relative to Belmod and Jiren has multiple official quotes that puts him above Destroyers.

Jiren is better than a fully fledged Destroyer. He is not losing to a wannabe Destroyer. Jiren puts UE Vegeta in the dirt.

Your take is what's actually the cope here.

@noobsnowman:

Uh... yes he is? Beerus is relative to Belmod and Jiren has multiple official quotes that puts him above Destroyers.

And

Jiren is better than a fully fledged Destroyer. He is not losing to a wannabe Destroyer. Jiren puts UE Vegeta in the dirt.

So all you have are statements that have gradually failed overtime to reflect current showings. I guess Toyotaro is absolutely wrong about Granolah being stronger than Goku then if Vegeta was able to push him.

Your take is what's actually the cope here.

Says the clown that thinks current MUI Goku is still at ToP power levels.

@gangorca:

So all you have are statements that have gradually failed overtime to reflect current showings. I guess Toyotaro is absolutely wrong about Granolah being stronger than Goku then if Vegeta was able to push him.

Statements that failed over time? You can't just cherry pick one statement over another. Jiren has both in universe and official statements that puts him above Destroyers. Toppo, a Destroyer candidate himself, said that even Belmod, a peer of Beerus, is weaker than Jiren.

And what has Granolah got to do with this? And even then, so what if Granolah was painted as the most powerful? Does not mean anything if he wasn't bring out his latent power, and he wasn't able to do so in their fights shown. He lacked the experience that the Saiyans have and was only known for his sniping abilities. He never trained further to master the power he obtained, that's the exact same problem that Golden Frieza had in RoF and Goku Black did in the Black Arc, and Vegeta exposed this during their fight. That's why MSSB Goku was able to react to Granolah's vital point attacks and a pseudo Destroyer gave Granolah a harder time than he should.

Says the clown that thinks current MUI Goku is still at ToP power levels.

Alright, you seem confident about your delusions. Let's hear your reasoning then. Let's see whether you can back up that big talk of yours.

Atleast in the manga, Beerus is as strong has he always has been, there is not retcon, it was the people that loved to put him limits just to get dumped every time that Beerus decided to fight, first against a mastered SSB Vegeta, then against the Gods, then against a far stronger Vegeta again, and that.

In any case, Gogeta stomps, no matter If we talk about manga version or anime version, since this Gogeta would one-shots IU Goku, although I dunno If the UI works like that, is a God form that makes you stronger If you learn to control and master the state better, it does not work like the Super Saiyan that directly is multiplier, therefore in a fusion, multiply the double

@superprimetime:

multiple Zenkai’s this is basic db 101

Zenkai is a near irrelevant concept after the Frieza saga, as confirmed in Daisenzhuu 7. There is no actual instance after the Frieza saga when a Saiyan benefitted significantly from a Zenkai boost.

Vegeta even tried to exploit his Zenkai ability during his first fight against Black in the manga but failed miserably.

@noobsnowman:

Statements that failed over time? You can't just cherry pick one statement over another.

I wouldn't unless statements contradict each other, then I begin questioning the validity of those statements.

Toppo, a Destroyer candidate himself, said that even Belmod, a peer of Beerus, is weaker than Jiren.

I don't recall Belmod specifically being Beerus's peer in the manga. The anime was different from the manga with having Belmod be the one who beat Beerus in armwrestling.

And even then, so what if Granolah was painted as the most powerful? Does not mean anything if he wasn't bring out his latent power, and he wasn't able to do so in their fights shown. He lacked the experience that the Saiyans have and was only known for his sniping abilities. He never trained further to master the power he obtained, that's the exact same problem that Golden Frieza had in RoF and Goku Black did in the Black Arc. That's why MSSB Goku was able to react to Granolah's vital point attacks and a pseudo Destroyer gave Granolah a harder time than he should.

And that would still mean Granolah hasn't unlocked been able to surpass Goku by your own words. The point being, the gap between Vegeta and Jiren is not as big as you make it out to be.

Alright, you seem confident about your delusions. Let's hear your reasoning then.

I guess thinking Moro 73 > Jiren is considered delusional now. And Goku must not get stronger over time anymore.

@gangorca:

I wouldn't unless statements contradict each other, then I begin questioning the validity of those statements.

There is no contradiction.

I don't recall Belmod specifically being Beerus's peer in the manga. The anime was different from the manga with having Belmod be the one who beat Beerus in armwrestling.

They fought in the Zen Exhibition Match, a tournament that specifically forbids any fighter to be holding back. They were relative to each other given their performances. Beerus himself even struggled immensely against Belmod's imprisonment ball.

And that would still mean Granolah hasn't unlocked been able to surpass Goku by your own words. The point being, the gap between Vegeta and Jiren is not as big as you make it out to be.

Granolah currently is significantly inferior to MUI Goku. His victory against Goku in their first fight was completely circumstantial. He took advantage of Goku letting his guard down and convincing Granolah to stop fighting, not to mention Goku didn't even know that Granolah was fighting with a clone at the time. Once Goku knew he was fighting the real Granolah, and knew the attack that cheapshotted him, even in MSSB he was able to hold his own against him. In that case, MUI would be more than enough to obliterate Granolah.

Granolah would be superior to MUI Goku on paper, yes, but that's after he unlocked all of his latent power, which he wasn't able to do. Currently, he is inferior to Goku and Jiren by a sizeable margin.

I guess thinking Moro 73 > Jiren is considered delusional now. And Goku must not get stronger over time anymore.

That's not delusional. Moro-73 is better than Beerus by extension. It's true, Moro-73 is one of the strongest antagonists, he is definitely the strongest antagonist we have seen so far.

Goku gets stronger over time, but it usually comes in forms of advancement of existing forms (SSB to MSSB, SSJ to MSSJ), or unlocking new forms (MSSB to UI Omen to MUI). There is evidence that mere training does not yield significant results. There needs to be a focus and objective of the training for Goku (and Vegeta) to increase their power significantly. The biggest cope I have ever heard is that Goku is multitudes stronger between arcs (in the same form). That is just wrong.

But anyways, I made an entire case why Goku's MUI form isn't different. For your reference, read this:

MUI power progresses differently than a regular transformation. It comes in form of accessing higher levels of Ultra Instinct. Whis specifically stated this during their training. In fact, Goku's latest training was to work on the stamina issues of the form, and set aside improving its UI mastery until later on.

Goku's mastery of UI in his MUI form is the exact same in the ToP as it is currently. The only difference is that Goku is now able to access the form at will, but still suffers from severe stamina issues, that causes the accuracy of his form to deplete over time.

Gogeta doesn't need UI or UE, and given their contradictory natures I doubt he can make both forms work together anyway. But even with just SSB a Goku/Vegeta merger is often portrayed as a rival to a contemporary version of Beerus. At most he'd need SSBE like in Heroes to put him over the top.

Beerus

@noobsnowman:

They fought in the Zen Exhibition Match, a tournament that specifically forbids any fighter to be holding back. They were relative to each other given their performances. Beerus himself even struggled immensely against Belmod's imprisonment ball.

I mean, Belmod technically did hold back by using Zeno's lack of vision of the fight to pretend he was defeated, but that's besides the point. Beerus didn't really seem harmed by Belmod's imprisonment ball and we never saw a 1 on 1 to indicate they are peers.

That's not delusional.

Then Goku should have done worse against Moro than he did against Jiren when he fought each in MUI.

But anyways, I made an entire case why Goku's MUI form isn't different. For your reference, read this:

I mean, Goku was already aware that UI wasn't the end goal, he knew he was at the bottom of the beings who wielded MUI. Goku already trained with Merus to effectively use Ultra Instinct better than before and got stronger doing so, I see absolutely no reason he couldn't have gotten stronger since the ToP.

@gangorca:

I mean, Belmod technically did hold back by using Zeno's lack of vision of the fight to pretend he was defeated, but that's besides the point. Beerus didn't really seem harmed by Belmod's imprisonment ball and we never saw a 1 on 1 to indicate they are peers.

Pretending to be defeated does not mean that he was holding back during the fight.

And let's not pretend that the Grand Priest was not watching. He was the one who specifically said that anyone found holding back would be terminated immediately, and he personally interfered with the fight at the end. Considering that the GoDs feared him with their lives, you think they will be holding back in the contest?

Yes, Beerus does not seem harmed, but the point is that he struggled against the technique. If Beerus is significantly better than Belmod, he would have no-sold it and broke free from it with ease. Just like how all the GoDs were affected by Rumsshi's Battle Roar. Or Sidra being able to shield the GoDs against Beerus' Sphere of Destruction. Impressively, Belmod took no damage from Liquiir's Cannon Barrage attack.

The performances goes to show that all the GoDs are relative to each other, with Beerus, Quitela and Belmod being slightly above the others.

Then Goku should have done worse against Moro than he did against Jiren when he fought each in MUI.

Goku was utterly dominating Jiren at the start of the fight. Like it wasn't even close.

The only reason why Jiren got any headway was that Goku's form was depleting in power at an extremely quick rate. Whis noted that the pressure of UI took a toll on Goku, and that's after exchanging a couple of blows. This was not as much of an issue when he fought Moro, at least until Moro used his Planet Eater form.

Bear in mind that when Goku used UI Omen for the very first time, he only lasted for a few seconds. That puts things into perspective about his stamina issues with UI forms during the ToP.

I mean, Goku was already aware that UI wasn't the end goal, he knew he was at the bottom of the beings who wielded MUI.

Yes, after Whis told him, and that's after the Moro Arc. Whis gave Goku the reality check during their sparring match. Before that, Goku had no clue about how MUI progresses, and when Whis told him about how it progresses, and that Goku still actually had a lot to learn, it was enough to excite him.

So it makes no sense to claim that say, Moro Arc MUI Goku > ToP MUI Goku.

And considering the point of their training just before the Granolah fight, current MUI Goku isn't any stronger either.

Goku already trained with Merus to effectively use Ultra Instinct better than before and got stronger doing so, I see absolutely no reason he couldn't have gotten stronger since the ToP

The underlined is where you got it wrong.

Just because he effectively used Ultra Instinct does not mean that he got stronger than before in that form specifically. The entire point of Merus' training with Goku is to not only be able to access the state at will, but to also conserve as much stamina as possible in that particular form due to its unstable nature. Goku had to rely on sheer speed to avoid Moro's passive drain, so he needed to be in that form for as long as possible.

@noobsnowman:

Pretending to be defeated does not mean that he was holding back during the fight.

Um, yes it does if it means getting the drop on weakened opponents.

Yes, after Whis told him, and that's after the Moro Arc. Whis gave Goku the reality check during their sparring match.

But Goku already knew he wasn't finished with completing Ultra Instinct. It has nothing to do with Goku assuming he was all done progressing MUI, he just needed guidance on how.

Goku was utterly dominating Jiren at the start of the ToP. Like it wasn't even close.

And still Jiren was doing better and wasn't getting folded as hard. Not to mention Jiren ended up boosting his power during their fight, so unless you think Jiren is > Moro 73 than Goku had a significant power jump after the ToP.

And considering the point of their training just before the Granolah fight, current MUI Goku isn't any stronger either.

Perhaps from the Moro arc, but the ToP? No.

The underlined is where you got it wrong.

Both Goku and Moro acknowledge he got stronger during Merus's training even before turning UI, so I ain't guessing anything.

The entire point of Merus' training with Goku is to not only be able to access the state at will, but to also conserve as much stamina as possible in that particular form due to its unstable nature.

While that's true, the performance of Goku against Moro is definitely greater than against Jiren so overall I am not convinced unless there's something stating he hadn't gotten stronger.

@gangorca:

Um, yes it does if it means getting the drop on weakened opponents.

That's called a tactic used in battle, not holding back. And even then, that didn't happen in the Zen Exhibition match. The only time the tactic was ever used was in the anime when Shosa played dead to catch Android 18 off guard.

Are you really going to deny a rule that is made and enforced by the Grand Priest himself? Even if the Zenos cannot see a thing, the Grand Priest sure can.

But Goku already knew he wasn't finished with completing Ultra Instinct. It has nothing to do with Goku assuming he was all done progressing MUI, he just needed guidance on how.

And the fact that he needed the guidance on how to get stronger proves Goku didn't get stronger. How is he supposed to get stronger if he did not know what it takes to get stronger?

And still Jiren was doing better and wasn't getting folded as hard. Not to mention Jiren ended up boosting his power during their fight, so unless you think Jiren is > Moro 73 than Goku had a significant power jump after the ToP.

Did you miss the part when I mentioned that Goku's form depleted at an extremely fast rate, which was why Jiren managed to get any headway? And the problem was not as apparent in the Moro Arc?

There is context in regards to Goku's stamina issues in the ToP compared to in the Moro Arc that I have already addressed.

Both Goku and Moro acknowledge he got stronger during Merus's training even before turning UI, so I ain't guessing anything.

Red Herring. I am talking specifically about MUI and UI Omen. Not his Blue form.

While that's true, the performance of Goku against Moro is definitely greater than against Jiren so overall I am not convinced unless there's something stating he hadn't gotten stronger.

Most of the fight involve Moro being significantly damaged by Merus when Merus tapped into his Angel Power and beat him so hard that his power core was damaged.

Sure, Goku was able to no sell Moro's punch, but that is as convincing as Goku utterly dominating Jiren at the start of their fight, at least until the form took a huge toll on his already weakened body.

And again, their performances were strictly hinged on Goku's stamina use on the godly form. In the ToP, Goku could barely maintain those forms within a minute. It improved during the Moro Arc. There is a reason why Goku's first UI Omen use lasted a few seconds, and his MUI form weakened significantly as the fight went on.

@superprimetime:

Wrong this can’t possibly be true since Vegeta bullied The hell out of Goku Black when he came out of the hyperbolic Time chamber.

And that's because he used a new technique that involves switching between Blue and God form. So he was able to use the explosive power in Blue without its side effects.

Nothing to do with Zenkais.

The is even more so true iI’m the Frieza’s saga when a Super Saiyan Vegeta was getting bullied by Android but went on to destroy Semi perfect Cell that was bullying the Androids.

1. That wasn't even in the Frieza Saga

2. That was because he went to a level beyond SSJ after intense training, he unlocked ASSJ and that's what he used to defeat Semi perfect cell.

Again, nothing to do with Zenkais.

Please type properly, you're typing like an Angry German Kid that you couldn't even get the correct saga right.

This hypothetical Gogeta contradicts himself. Vegeta's UE relies on him taking hits while Goku's UI allows the body to move on its own to avoid getting hit.

I do think Beerus would stand a chance against Gogeta blue. While Vegito blue is stated to be above Beerus, Vegito is significantly stronger than Gogeta (potara > fusion dance). Beerus' UI should give him the upper hand as well as being able to absorb many of Gogeta's offensive options

@noobsnowman:

And the fact that he needed the guidance on how to get stronger proves Goku didn't get stronger. How is he supposed to get stronger if he did not know what it takes to get stronger?

I mean, Goku's UI was even adjusting and improving as he was fighting Moro. It's not like he's couldn't improve from now and the ToP, it's just that he needed advice on how to polish it which Whis said by using UI in any form.

Did you miss the part when I mentioned that Goku's form depleted at an extremely fast rate, which was why Jiren managed to get any headway? And the problem was not as apparent in the Moro Arc?

There is context in regards to Goku's stamina issues in the ToP compared to in the Moro Arc that I have already addressed.

I know about the stamina issues, but even then Jiren was doing significantly better before those issue were taking it's toll, even while Jiren hadn't used his full power yet.

Most of the fight involve Moro being significantly damaged by Merus when Merus tapped into his Angel Power and beat him so hard that his power core was damaged.

Merus only really damaged to his gems which he used for copying his opponents abilities, he was fine otherwise.

Sure, Goku was able to no sell Moro's punch, but that is as convincing as Goku utterly dominating Jiren at the start of their fight, at least until the form took a huge toll on his already weakened body.

Moro did significantly worse than Jiren did.

And again, their performances were strictly hinged on Goku's stamina use on the godly form. In the ToP, Goku could barely maintain those forms within a minute. It improved during the Moro Arc. There is a reason why Goku's first UI Omen use lasted a few seconds, and his MUI form weakened significantly as the fight went on.

That's my point, what is so hard to believe about Goku improving one aspect of Ultra Instinct but not another?

Beerus Stomps

The fact that Beerus got thrashed by all the GODs yet is still stronger than current MUI Goku, who is stronger than the Moro Arc version who obliterated the Moro that one shotted UI Omen Goku who is stronger than the one that kept up with Jiren, who is stronger than Belmod, a GOD, is what is fucking up the logic. This means that if Beerus is still stronger than Goku he shouldn’t have been touched by any of the GODs.