God Toppo & Jiren vs Beerus

Win by any means, team has perfect team work but Beerus isn't holding back? Manga and Anime feats allowed.

Jiren alone is implied to be stronger than Beerus and Toppo is just a less experienced Beerus.

Team should win.

Well, if we're going pure by feats Beerus wins this. but in reality Jiren might solo. both of them together vs Beerus is a 100% win for team.

Not saying toppo is above beerus as he still doesn't have the billions of years old battle experience but by feats,he's a lil bit above the not trying/holding back beerus we've seen so far.

Team wins though,i mean why place jiren that's confirmed above a god tier alongside a god tier candidate against a single god,just why?

Jiren vs Beerus could arguably go either way, Toppo tips the balance in their favor.

Team. I belive Toppo as he is isn't that much weaker from Beerus and Jiren is on pair if not slightly above Beerus so team wins

Either one could solo God Toppo.

Going by feats Beerus should still stomp. Beerus still for me I don't think together they can overwhelm him, Beerus has experience right.

Team. jiren himself is beyond god of destruction

This was NEVER implied!

I'm so sick of seeing this crap.

There is a suggestion that Jiren is stronger then Belmod. Belmod beat Beerus in an arm wrestle. THAT'S IT.

Even Beerus emphasised the fact that it was just an arm wrestle.

Who wins in an arm wrestle? Bruce Lee or the World's Strongest man? Hell you don't even need to go that far, I could beat my father in an arm wrestle yet he'd destroy me in a fight.

Akira said he has no plans for Beerus to be surpassed. Whenever Beerus sweats in the TOP, it's because he's afraid that the opponents might be too strong for his universe to defeat which means that he could possibly be erased if they lose.

Bloody hell.

Beerus slaughters

You're definitely not wrong, but by no means does it mean Beerus "slaughters". This is a double-edged sword, Jiren has no feats (be they statements or scaling) that put him firmly above Beerus, but Beerus doesn't have any that put him above Jiren either.

IMO Toppo leans this towards team.

This is bassically Beerus vs Jiren which Beerus should win

Beerus even commented that Toppo wasn't proficient with Destruction powers

That doesn't mean Toppo is weak relative to Beerus or a non-factor.

@jashro44: kinda does

Toppo struggles to keep up with 17 and his Destruction hakai takes a while to charge and moves incredibly slowly for his power level, 17 had no issue evading and even Freiza was able to stop it fully changing by throwing a rock at it

Beerus created over 100 hakai energy balls casually whilst holding back vs SSG Goku

Not to mention he casually blew a Hakai energy. Low away

@royal_warrior:

Toppo struggles to keep up with 17 and his Destruction hakai takes a while to charge and moves incredibly slowly for his power level, 17 had no issue evading and even Freiza was able to stop it fully changing by throwing a rock at it

Toppo never struggled to keep up with 17. He was keeping up with him fine even before he became a god of destruction. He was also seeing 17's KI blasts in slow motion:

Beerus created over 100 hakai energy balls casually whilst holding back vs SSG Goku

Beerus has more proficiency with his destruction energy. No one is doubting that.

Not to mention he casually blew a Hakai energy. Low away

You mean that tiny bit of energy that frieza was able to contain? Toppo clearly has a much greater reserve of power. Beerus has never fodderized another God level character. No reason to assume he will do it to toppo.

@jashro44: I don't see how running away at a distance is keeping up fine if anything that shows he hasn't got the speed to close the distance, he's literally being held back by energy blast

I think your either purposely lowballing or selling Beerus really short

We have him causing more damage to a GoD in champs with a few hits than anything SSG did to Beerus

We also have him one shotting both Vegeta and Goku with a casual energy blast whilst training

Let's wait for next episode because I have a very strong feeling that Vegeta will wipe the floor with Toppo it seems and if that's the case then just proves it further that Beerus wouldn't even have issue with him if he was trying

Team for sure wins this. It is made clear and backed by manga that Jiren is above Belmoud in battle power. It is also clear that god Toppo is stronger than that dwarf god. Beerus is clearly the strongest god of destruction if not close to it, but he wasnt that much stronger. Toppo would be a high end god level if not even above them as it is stated he is above god of destruction.

@royal_warrior:

I don't see how running away at a distance is keeping up fine if anything that shows he hasn't got the speed to close the distance, he's literally being held back by energy blast

17 blasted Toppo with KI blasts and Toppo was able to time his movements just right to dodge the KI blasts, and than was able to out run 17's aim. He wasn't actually held back for more than maybe a few seconds (hard to tell since time doesn't appear to be relative in this tournament).

If anything 17 failing to hold back Toppo is a good showing for Toppo.

I think your either purposely lowballing or selling Beerus really short

No I am not. Beerus is strong but he isn't so strong he can just ignore Toppo or render him a non factor. He has literally 0 feats to imply that. He hasn't even fought since Goku first acquired ssj God which at this point is totally irrelevant to people like Jiren and Toppo. Stomping ssj God can only get Beerus so far.

For the record yes I think Beerus is stronger than Toppo. I just don't think he is so strong that Toppo is a total non factor.

We have him causing more damage to a GoD in champs with a few hits than anything SSG did to Beerus

Again SSJ God is not a very high bar at this point. Goku's ssj God form could not even make Jiren do more than lift his finger. Toppo just stomped golden frieza and android 17 in the last episode both of whom are stronger than ssj God.

As for Champa he depends entirely off of scaling from Beerus. I don't think there is anything to suggest Champa would actually stomp Toppo either.

We also have him one shotting both Vegeta and Goku with a casual energy blast whilst training

You mean this?

If your talking about something else please post the video. For the record they were only base here and Beerus didn't actually one shot them.

Let's wait for next episode because I have a very strong feeling that Vegeta will wipe the floor with Toppo it seems and if that's the case then just proves it further that Beerus wouldn't even have issue with him if he was trying

You are entitled to speculate but the episode title is called "surpass even a God! Vegeta's Desperate Blow!" Highly doubt Vegeta is stomping Toppo. Granted even if he did we don't actually know anything about his new form...People are speculating he is relative to Kaio-kenX20 Goku but nothing has actually been set in stone.

toppo is a 5 minute GoD fighting a 100 million years GoD so hes a non factor for me which means another 50/50 fight between beerus and jiren and only god knows who wins this its too epic

Since Toppo is probably equal or slightly weaker then Belmod, he gets quickly dispatched by Beerus who already proved that he's top two God's of Destruction. Jiren is only confirmed to be above Belmod so he probably gets wrecked as well.

Belmod was faking.

Pride Troopers sweep.

@hudyman:

You realize that an implication and a suggestion goes hand and hand right? Your rant contradicted itself from the get go. Nor did I say it was confirmed.

Jiren was taking on all GODs at once . He could take Jiren and Toppo too since they look like on being level with low tier GODs. + Beerus can Hakai them.

I think you mean Beerus was taking on all GODs at once. Yes. Beerus wins.

@alextheboss: that is your implied assumption, context and logic show he's weaker.

@03s7: Lol, what. It is not an implied assumption. The scan clearly shows him faking and he even stops his angel from healing him because he didn't need it. Look at all of the gods being healed but him telling her to stop. It doesn't prove he is strong, but it does prove that he didn't lose because he was weak.

A Semi-Serious Beerus after one shotting Mastered SSB Vegeta (Pretty much Kaiokenx20) says that he would need a million year to rival him and that he can be only a GOD candidate in another Universe at that level.

@hudyman: where was it stated Belmont beat him in arm wrestling in the manga it was the mouse god

Jiren solos.

Team takes it. Beerus pretty much had a decent battle with champa earlier in the manga. His evading all the gods attacks and going in with defence doesn't automatically mean he's above them.

We have the combo of a tier who is confirmed above his god who we aren't sure is weaker or above beerus,with an hakaishin that could scale a tiny bit below belmod once again against beerus. Its not even fair if looked into from a logical aspect.

Beerus stomping ssb vegeta doesn't really count as base toppo stomped ssb goku in the manga,he also embarrassed and put frieza to utmost shame in the anime. Frieza that is an ssb tier was easily treated like a folder. This are points that needs to be accessed and pointed out.

Beerus wins in probably a couple of minutes. Jiren hasn't put vegeta down or goku basically bad writing or jiren is a incompetent fighter. But we have seen beerus one shot vegeta, casually evade and stomp other gOds.

It's just stupid how people are wanking GoDs to Jiren level

Lol Beerus Dodging attacks from other gods of destruction must mean that he is stronger than them huh?

Goku Dodged all of Jiren Attacks in UI but why do people still rank Jiren Above UI? Thisbreally isn't making sense.

Beerus isn't as strong as Beerus(the way the wankers are making him out to be) if him dodging some attacks makes him the strongest then what does that say about Belmod who "actually ATTACKED" all of them and broke through all of their shields?

It was never implied that Beerus can "stomps" on all other gods... He's clearly at the top 3 but all gods seems to have a very close power level with eachother.

Anyway it was stated multiple times by Whis and in the manga that Jiren is above god of destruction level, and yet we havent seen his full power, he could possibly be close to angel level, we cant know for sure right now, but he's above god of destruction.

For Toppo, he just appeared with his destruction powers so we cant know how strong he is. But Beerus is way more experienced so I'll go with Beerus even if Toppo looks freaking strong, even for a god of destruction.

State the obvious = 1 higher power than GoD + 1 average GoD power, I dont see Beerus wins here...

This battle is confusing canons.

Anime canon =/= Manga Canon

Beerus wins in both.

You're wrong, the fight showed his failed Ultra Instinct and then how he fooled other Gods making him far more combat experienced and having so many haxes, existence erasure which works instantly on spell and is mastered by Beerus and being a Top tier God of Destruction I don't see how you can say Jiren can do it. Beerus himself is stronger than like 8-10 Gods of Destruction while Jiren is stated to be surpassing Vermoud where Beerus himself states that God of Destruction can't beat him in battle, and Vermoud had to fake in the fight so he can get an advantage since he didn't think he could compete with Beerus and Quitela.

Beerus and Quitela were the last ones remaining in the Arena where Vermoud was faking and trying to save his strength. These 2 GoDs were 1 shotting other Gods of Destruction while coming to opposing side of each other. Vermoud sneak attacked weakest God of Destruction Sidra but failed to one shot him like Beerus and Quitela did head on.

Overall, Jiren alone cannot beat a 100 percent serious Beerus but may win with Toppo here.

Jiren is such an unknown at this point. What we have seen is impressive but his true power is purely speculative at this point.

Beerus > Any below Angel tier DBS character for me until feats prove otherwise.

We have no reason to assume that Beerus is stronger than Belmond, if anything there are few weak pieces of evidence suggesting just the opposite.

Belmond is the same rank as Beerus, so the initial assumption should be that he's roughly on the same level as him, until more evidence is acquired.

Whis thinks Belmond is stronger than Beerus.

Belmond defeated Beerus in arm wrestling.

Belmond was the only GoD who received no damage when they fought.

Belmond was able to temporally paralyze and hurt all the other GoDs at the same time.

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And Jiren is stronger than Belmond.

Jiren also looked more impressive in his fight with Goku than Beerus did.

Jiren > Beerus

On the other hand, even Toppo would likely be able to put up a good fight against Beerus, but would lose in the end.

Both of them together, it would be a beat down.

Vermoud was not harmed because he faked him being down. He couldn't even one shot the weakest GoD Sidra even when he was offguard where Beerus was one shotting Stronger GoDs head on.

Also, Arm wrestling is different, its not striking or combat applicable, its just technique and little pushing force, who would win in a fight Bruce Lee or A Heavy Arm Wrestler? Of course, Bruce would win. He is a martial artist, faster, and hits harder.

In the manga it was Quitela instead of Vermoud and Beerus himself says that he can never beat him in combat.

Technically speaking Beerus also is stronger than Vermoud and not to mention he has something that other GoDs find hard to attain, that is Ultra Instinct which puts him in the league of his own.

@alextheboss: show me where he says stop in the scan posted otherwise again your adding your own logic.

Good post. I agree.

@03s7: He puts his hand up in a stop sign...

@mortein: Belmod isn't the one who beat Beerus in an arm wrestle, it was Quitella.

@alextheboss: can you post it? Because I don't see him doing anything but smiling. Besides who plays dead unless they are completely inferior to their opponent?

@03s7:

can you post it? Because I don't see him doing anything but smiling.

It's in the scan I posted. He is in the panel where the angels are healing their gods on the very left. Also you can see very god is badly damaged but him.

Besides who plays dead unless they are completely inferior to their opponent?

People who don't like to fight.

Team.

I guess the team kill Bills the Destroyer.