Gilgamesh vs Archetype Arcueid

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#1 Edited by Pantheons-Deity (310 posts) - - Show Bio
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Battle take place in Earth

Composite gilgamesh except CCC

basic knowledge and canon knowledge of each other,as in, gilgamesh knowing she's a vampire and arcueid knowing he's a servant and etc

both are serious and start at max and win is through death.

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#2 Posted by Pantheons-Deity (310 posts) - - Show Bio
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#3 Posted by zgtfreak (2982 posts) - - Show Bio

Arcueid still stomps Gilgamesh. Her Extra timeline self fodderizes CCC Gilgamesh too. The only thing that can truly bypass her no concept of death is Enuma Elish; yet he won't get a chance to use it if Arcueid just bulldozes through all of his attacks immediately and beats him to death. We also know that Archetype can fight at range too with mana blast and warping capabilities. Gilgamesh can't even use Black Barrels to instill the concept of death in her because she's already been hit by them and has adapted (making her completely immune now). Hell, you can make the argument that even Tsukihime Arcueid uses Gaia GG to +1 CCC Gilgamesh even and kill him. I know you didn't include CCC, but I'm just saying that it wouldn't matter even then. As for FSN Gilgamesh, Nasu stated that he can only defeat 30% Tsukihime Arcueid (not Archetype Earth). I don't always take Nasu's statements as facts (aka if they contradict his own story), but everything with this statement is fine and doesn't contradict anything.

Overall on Arcueid Vs. Gilgamesh as a whole: Extra timeline Archetype Earth>>>>>>>>>Extra base Arcueid>Extra non-Berserker Servant Arcueid>Tsukihime timeline Archetype Earth using Gaia amp on CCC Gilgamesh>CCC Gilgamesh at full power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tsukihime Archetype Earth without Gaia amp>>>>>>>>Tsukihime base Arcueid>>>FSN/Z Gilgamesh>Tsukihime 30% base Arcueid>>Tsukihime 10% Arcueid.

There's a reason Arcueid is the Ultimate One of Earth. She still solos the verse.

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#4 Edited by Kanesada_Kuji (32 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh no. This gives me PTSD of all of those Wankgamesh fanboys on Reddit that were laughed at by everyone for saying he can take on Types. Gilgamesh at his upmost absolute power in CCC is compared to base servant Arcueid, which is a heavily weakened version of even her base form since she's not suppose to be a servant. What in saint fuck is a WEAKER version of Gilgamesh doing against the STRONGEST version of Arcueid? Gilgamesh is incapable of killing a SINGLE Type, let alone the strongest one. No one in Fate, or anyone in the Nasuverse for that matter can defeat Arcueid, except Void Shiki herself. End of story. I'm honestly surprised no Gilgamesh fanboys came to this thread saying "BUT ADO EDEEEEEEEEMMMMMMMM KILLED TYPES!" Piss off.

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#5 Posted by SwagPack (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

Full power CCC Gilgamesh is weaker than base Arcueid? I would like that which you are smoking.

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#6 Edited by zgtfreak (2982 posts) - - Show Bio

@swagpack: So you're back, huh? It's been over a whole year...

Anyways, she casually can just one shot him. Nasu's statements and her status as a Type puts her above everyone in Fate by default:

Q: In Nasu's work (Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, Fate, DDD) Who's the top three strongest characters?

A: Magical Amber, Neco Arc, and Tiger. Well, not really.

Seriously, it's Arcueid, "Ryougi Shiki", and primordial demons.(Not counting Servants)

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Arcueid_Brunestud#References

Amaterasu, Moon Cell BB, and CCC Gilgamesh are all compared in some way to restricted base Arcueid/not Archetype Earth when she is using her 1/6 reduction ability:

if Berserker regained her sanity she would easily be considered a cheat-tier Servant. Her power, “The stage is the Moon, so all targets have their power reduced to a sixth of their usual.” would be extremely useful against other similar cheat-tier Servants.

It’s a conceptual numerical alteration, so it is unavoidable when on the Moon. Even the Moon Cell transformed version of BB would be limited by it.

In EXTRA and CCC, she is about the only one who is “Capable of defeating Konjiki Hakumen (Golden White Face), no matter how small the chance might be.”

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Berserker_(Fate/Extra_Rani_route)#References

She is compared to CCC Gilgamesh by being called a cheat-tier Servant; a title only Gilgamesh originally had. She is thus being compared to Moon Cell BB. Restricted base Arcueid then is stated to be the only one to have a small chance against Amaterasu. Now imagine a non-Servant Arcueid that isn't being restricted. She'd clearly squash Amaterasu, Gilgamesh, and every Moon Cell entity like a bug.

At the end of the day, Arcueid is literally the strongest in the verse. Even ORT can't defeat Arcueid due to her Gaia amp. All he has going for him is a superior reality marble. Yet he's the best contender by far. Better than anyone in Fate, that's for sure. Fate is overhyped as hell. And before you say "But CCC Gilgamesh is multiversal," so is Extra Arcueid.

Btw, I got around to making a CCC Gilgamesh RT after you left. It helped me prove to most of this site that he is multiversal now. Here it is if you want to check it out. <

Arcueid still stomps him though.

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#7 Posted by SwagPack (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

That statement is old and things changed. Arcueid and Types have almost no feats, and definitely no feats on the level of top tiers. We have no way of concluding whether Nasu still regards them as the strongest beings. There is just too little in terms of evidence and when it comes to interactions between certain characters.

Her Ultimate One skill is specifically stated to not be able to affect certain beings on the Moon Cell due to their scale/power. You can only speculate at this point. Statement that she is the only one capable of maybe defeating Amaterasu is as vague as it is stupid. Amaterasu is on the level of sun gods. Sun god Surya, for example, is not even the strongest Indian god. He is below both the supreme male Indian trinity and supreme female trinity. Hax abilities which Arcueid and Types possess were interesting back in the days, now they are barely worth mentioning.

There are several things full power CCC Gilgamesh has. First is statistics amplification through Power of the Beginning which allowed him to power himself to BB's level. The only drawback of that power is that using it too much would result in destruction of the physical form of the user, which of course is not the case with Gilgamesh. Through this he can continously amp himself, so her amplification or reduction is useless.
Second is Ten Crowns. After carefully reading through the translation, it appears Gilgamesh is given Ten Crowns ability. Ten Crowns is the ability which uses the Authority of the Seated Goddess of Catal Hoyuk, the mother of all creation. Those of Earth cannot resist it and since Arcueid is of Earth, it is possible that she would be subjected to that Authority.
Third thing is the nature of his existence. Types are able to regenerate from their soul, which has to be destroyed in order to fully kill them. This is also the case with Gilgamesh. Because the soul is the true form of beings, and physical form is nothing but a container, she would have to destroy his soul in order to kill him. The problem is that the Soul resides in a higher dimension, which she has no feats of accessing. Even if she could destroy his physical form, due to his Independent Manifestation he would simply manifest his being onto reality every time for eternity.

That's why, at this point, saying she can kill him is nothing but a speculation.

I've seen the thread. It's good to show his overall power level to those unfamiliar.

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#8 Posted by DevoidRuby (773 posts) - - Show Bio

Servant Arcueid is stated to be in the same tier as Gilgamesh.

Arcueid is the only one who can beat Amaterasu.

She’s a type.

How does Gilgamesh not get slapped?

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#9 Edited by zgtfreak (2982 posts) - - Show Bio

@swagpack: That statement is old and things changed. Arcueid and Types have almost no feats, and definitely no feats on the level of top tiers. We have no way of concluding whether Nasu still regards them as the strongest beings. There is just too little in terms of evidence and when it comes to interactions between certain characters.

Her Amaterasu statements were statements IN CCC. That is not outdated at all.

Her Ultimate One skill is specifically stated to not be able to affect certain beings on the Moon Cell due to their scale/power.

You forgot the context of that statement. It specifically says the Moon Cell was nerfed/limited that ability when she was a highly weakened Berserker Servant. Plus it is weaker since it requires her to be on Gaia to fully use properly:

However it seems that being on Moon Cell would restrict the length of time which this skill can be used for, as well as there being some opponents that her specs would be unable to exceed.

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Berserker_(Fate/Extra_Rani_route)#References

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Statement that she is the only one capable of maybe defeating Amaterasu is as vague as it is stupid. Amaterasu is on the level of sun gods. Sun god Surya, for example, is not even the strongest Indian god. He is below both the supreme male Indian trinity and supreme female trinity.

You know Nasuverse changes the rules around compared to real myths. Amaterasu has been hyped to be the strongest Divine Spirit by far, yet base servant Arcueid stands a chance against her, while Gilgamesh does not.

Arcueid and Types possess were interesting back in the days, now they are barely worth mentioning.

Arcueid's hax aren't worth mentioning? She can abandon her body on a conceptual level and reinvent the entire conceptual structure of her body, along with having no concept of death.

Arcueid is cut into numerous pieces from having her lines traced, she manages to regenerate by completely reinventing the conceptual structure of her body, abandoning the conceptual structure that had been traced.

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Mystic_Eyes_of_Death_Perception#Lines

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There are several things full power CCC Gilgamesh has. First is statistics amplification through Power of the Beginning which allowed him to power himself to BB's level.

Gilgamesh's raw power without that amp was already on Moon Cell BB's level in my opinion. Him amping his stats though is useless against Arcueid, as she will permanently be above his amps with her superior Ultimate One amp. Any level Gilgamesh amps himself to Arcueid will already be above by default.

Second is Ten Crowns. After carefully reading through the translation, it appears Gilgamesh is given Ten Crowns ability. Ten Crowns is the ability which uses the Authority of the Seated Goddess of Catal Hoyuk, the mother of all creation. Those of Earth cannot resist it and since Arcueid is of Earth, it is possible that she would be subjected to that Authority.

Arcueid is the princess of the moon and is an offspring of Type-Moon. She is not from Earth at all. And her authority even while nerfed eclipsed the Moon Cell's to where she could casually leave with no effort; a feat that costed Gilgamesh 90% of his treasury.

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The Ten Crowns would be subject to her authority.

Third thing is the nature of his existence. Types are able to regenerate from their soul, which has to be destroyed in order to fully kill them. This is also the case with Gilgamesh. Because the soul is the true form of beings, and physical form is nothing but a container, she would have to destroy his soul in order to kill him. The problem is that the Soul resides in a higher dimension, which she has no feats of accessing. Even if she could destroy his physical form, due to his Independent Manifestation he would simply manifest his being onto reality every time for eternity.

She scales above beings who play with souls casually (aka BB and Gilgamesh himself). Hell, many entities in the Nasuverse can destroy souls. And Types have never been stated to even have souls IIRC.

That's why, at this point, saying she can kill him is nothing but a speculation.

It really isn't. You know I like Gilgamesh; but you could put all of Fate combined against Arcueid and she still solos them with no difficulty as Archetype Earth. She is the strongest being in the entire verse next to Akasha herself.

I've seen the thread. It's good to show his overall power level to those unfamiliar.

Yeah. Vine went from Goku one shots Gil to Gil blinks the verse. LOL Pretty drastic change.

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#10 Posted by SwagPack (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

For some reason I can only write one to two sentences otherwise I get some sort of error, so I can't really reply.