Gilgamesh finds himself in another world (Re:Zero), can he survive the first season?

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- Gilgamesh is given back his human body (although it's his childhood form).

- Ea is locked away deep inside the treasury and will not be able to be used here.

- He's IC and won't be fighting seriously for the most part.

- He doesn't have return by death on him.

Round 1: KidGilgamesh wanders into this strange world, surprised for a brief moment before Shaq Naqba Imuru-The omniscient omnipotent star kicks in and begins to give him instructions, telling him what he needs to do. Apparently, he's swapped places with some loser named Subaru. How lame. But oh well, he'll have to make do.

Can Gilgamesh stop Elsa in this form? Can he survive the mansion? Can he save Rem & Ram? How about the rest of the first season? Can he make it?

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What can Kid Gilgamesh do?

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What can Kid Gilgamesh do?

He's basically restricted to just a less spammy Gate of Babylon because he doesn't have much mana compared to his adult self (although it's possible for him to use Ea as well) but he tends to fight less arrogantly than his adult self, being more underhanded and cunning. An example of this is when Gilgamesh freed Shirou from the Ainsworth Mansion because he didn't feel comfortable fighting two servants at once - Thor and Angelica, who at the time, had half of his own power as her own.

He also has lower stats — all his parameters being C except for his NP which is EX and Luck which is A.

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The Gilgamesh from "Fate / Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya" this version is just lol, he may not be EA anymore so he can't use Enuma Elish (normally) but if he has the rest of GoB he can kill anything that get in his way with, Black Barrel or Unlimited Lost Works or Gáe Bolg and many others, but will have to avoid certain attacks which could be fatal to him, and as he has no reversible death, he cannot not be summoned from the throne of heroes after death.

But as his GoB is supposed to contain all the prototype artefacts, weapons created on Earth and also those that humans create with alien help, he should be able to use Avalon to be immune to all attacks. And can use Jewel Sword Zelretch to get unlimited energy!

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@lordballer: Which specific Kid Gil? Ko-Gil from Kaleid or Kid Gil from HA?

If he has to clear every scenario Subaru does, he obviously clears all of them with his only issues being the White Whale, Rabbit and Regulus. The whole point of Re:Zero is for Subaru to be a regular dude, throwing in a random powered up being doesn't work.

If he tries to fight Reinhard though, or even Satella for some reason, he 100% loses since he shouldn't have the ability to bypass Reinhard's blessings without Ea or some HUGE assumptions and Satella wins simply through hype imo.

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The Gilgamesh from "Fate / Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya" this version is just lol, he may not be EA anymore so he can't use Enuma Elish (normally) but if he has the rest of GoB he can kill anything that get in his way with, Black Barrel or Unlimited Lost Works or Gáe Bolg and many others, but will have to avoid certain attacks which could be fatal to him, and as he has no reversible death, he cannot not be summoned from the throne of heroes after death.

But as his GoB is supposed to contain all the prototype artefacts, weapons created on Earth and also those that humans create with alien help, he should be able to use Avalon to be immune to all attacks. And can use Jewel Sword Zelretch to get unlimited energy!

That'd be wild. Imagine if Gilgamesh ever pulled out Avalon and started using it. The Saber fans would lose their mind.

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@arjunaalter: @lordballer: Gil doesn't have Avalon. It's made by the Fey. It's one of those items like Vasavi Shakti, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad.

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@lordballer: But his will be possible, in carnival phantasm Gilgamesh breaks the rules of the game he was doing with the other Servants and Master and he says "Rule Breaker" Caster Medea tells him that it belongs to him, Gilgamesh tells him that all that is hers is also his. I also know that the description of GoB says that it closes all the NPs and artifacts of the other Servants (unless he did not use them in their legend like Vasavi Shakti) so it is possible that he is Avalon but that is what a hypotesis.

Saber's Fans will go crazy if Nasu formalizes this 🤣 !

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@arjunaalter: @lordballer: Gil doesn't have Avalon. It's made by the Fey. It's one of those items like Vasavi Shakti, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad.

He could possibly have it. Remember that he was just baiting Karna into giving it up as his title is "The Hero Of Charity."

Merodarch >>>>>> Vasavi Shakti =>Excalibur anyway since it is the legend it's based off of and Excalibur >>> Rhongomyniad because it is stated to be the strongest noble phantasm Saber has in her FGO mats.

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@arjunaalter: @lordballer: Gil doesn't have Avalon. It's made by the Fey. It's one of those items like Vasavi Shakti, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad.

Thank you for the precision.

I think a Black Barrel or Gae Bolg will have to one shot all these enemies, but he will have to be careful with the attack because he will be vulnerable.

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@devoidruby said:

@arjunaalter: @lordballer: Gil doesn't have Avalon. It's made by the Fey. It's one of those items like Vasavi Shakti, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad.

He could possibly have it. Remember that he was just baiting Karna into giving it up as his title is "The Hero Of Charity."

Merodarch >>>>>> Vasavi Shakti =>Excalibur anyway since it is the legend it's based off of and Excalibur >>> Rhongomyniad because it is stated to be the strongest noble phantasm Saber has in her FGO mats.

O Sun, Abide to Death [Noble Phantasm]

Vasavi Shakti. The Anti-Divine Noble Phantasm of Lancer of Red, Karna. A god-killing spear given to him by the thunder god Indra in the “Mahabharata”. The secret weapons among secret weapons, which doesn’t exist even in the treasure vault of the King of Heroes. Just as shown in the illustrations within “Complete Material IV”, his spear transforms and officially becomes this Noble Phantasm after he sheds his golden armor.

It’s not like the spear he usually uses is a fake, but it can’t activate its name of “Vasavi Shakti: O Sun, Abide to Death” in this state.

Fate/Apocrypha Material Guide

Also just wanted to point out Merodach is the prototype of Caliburn, not Excalibur

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@arjunaalter: @lordballer: Gil doesn't have Avalon. It's made by the Fey. It's one of those items like Vasavi Shakti, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad.

Thank you for the precision.

I think a Black Barrel or Gae Bolg will have to one shot all these enemies, but he will have to be careful with the attack because he will be vulnerable.

He could potentially have Avalon's prototype — a version which is way more OP than Saber's considering that he has a random sword (Merodarch) stronger than Excalibur.

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@devoidruby: I already knew that GoB did not contain Vasavi Shakti

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@devoidruby said:
@lordballer said:
@devoidruby said:

@arjunaalter: @lordballer: Gil doesn't have Avalon. It's made by the Fey. It's one of those items like Vasavi Shakti, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad.

He could possibly have it. Remember that he was just baiting Karna into giving it up as his title is "The Hero Of Charity."

Merodarch >>>>>> Vasavi Shakti =>Excalibur anyway since it is the legend it's based off of and Excalibur >>> Rhongomyniad because it is stated to be the strongest noble phantasm Saber has in her FGO mats.

O Sun, Abide to Death [Noble Phantasm]

Vasavi Shakti. The Anti-Divine Noble Phantasm of Lancer of Red, Karna. A god-killing spear given to him by the thunder god Indra in the “Mahabharata”. The secret weapons among secret weapons, which doesn’t exist even in the treasure vault of the King of Heroes. Just as shown in the illustrations within “Complete Material IV”, his spear transforms and officially becomes this Noble Phantasm after he sheds his golden armor.

It’s not like the spear he usually uses is a fake, but it can’t activate its name of “Vasavi Shakti: O Sun, Abide to Death” in this state.

Fate/Apocrypha Material Guide

Ok? He could still probably have the prototype of the weapon that it's based off of stored in his treasury.

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@lordballer said:
@devoidruby said:

@arjunaalter: @lordballer: Gil doesn't have Avalon. It's made by the Fey. It's one of those items like Vasavi Shakti, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad.

He could possibly have it. Remember that he was just baiting Karna into giving it up as his title is "The Hero Of Charity."

Merodarch >>>>>> Vasavi Shakti =>Excalibur anyway since it is the legend it's based off of and Excalibur >>> Rhongomyniad because it is stated to be the strongest noble phantasm Saber has in her FGO mats.

O Sun, Abide to Death [Noble Phantasm]

Vasavi Shakti. The Anti-Divine Noble Phantasm of Lancer of Red, Karna. A god-killing spear given to him by the thunder god Indra in the “Mahabharata”. The secret weapons among secret weapons, which doesn’t exist even in the treasure vault of the King of Heroes. Just as shown in the illustrations within “Complete Material IV”, his spear transforms and officially becomes this Noble Phantasm after he sheds his golden armor.

It’s not like the spear he usually uses is a fake, but it can’t activate its name of “Vasavi Shakti: O Sun, Abide to Death” in this state.

Fate/Apocrypha Material Guide

Also just wanted to point out Merodach is the prototype of Caliburn, not Excalibur

Both swords are based off Merodach and its >>>> both.

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@lordballer: He doesn't have any weapon that's made by non-humans outside of VERY few exceptions. Vasavi Shakti, Avalon, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad are all such weapons in which he does not have a Prototype (Since there is none, Excalibur was made by the planet for example) that have been stated to not be in Gil's vault or follow all the rules to show they are not.

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@lordballer: He doesn't have any weapon that's made by non-humans outside of VERY few exceptions. Vasavi Shakti, Avalon, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad are all such weapons in which he does not have a Prototype (Since there is none, Excalibur was made by the planet for example) that have been stated to not be in Gil's vault or follow all the rules to show they are not.

That's not true. We see him casually possessing divine noble phantasms like true nine lives, shield of the gods, etc. The rule is that he absolutely has anything that humanity has made but things made by alien civilizations, divine ones, and different breeds of humanity are iffy matters.

It's stated in the VN that Merodach is Excalibur's prototype as well as Caliburn's so nah.

He still has Gram either way which is stated to be Excalibur's equal.

"Wha"

That… is a familiar sword.

The ornamentation on it is different.

But its true nature, the idea of its creation, and its soul are too close to those of this sword

"It can't be this sword's model…"

"It is. But its strength as a Noble Phantasm is incomparable.

What you have, 'the sword in the stone', originated from the legend of 'the sword of supremacy in the tree' from Northern EuropeBut this is the original model, the foundation of the sacred right to select the king."

The sword of supremacy in the tree Gram, the demonic sword of Sigmund, hero of northern Europe. Its original model…?

It really doesn't matter. Excalibur isn't that impressive at all compared to all the treasures that he has (which one of which will inevitably surpass it as his Gates are said to be INFINITE).

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@lordballer: He doesn't have any weapon that's made by non-humans outside of VERY few exceptions. Vasavi Shakti, Avalon, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad are all such weapons in which he does not have a Prototype (Since there is none, Excalibur was made by the planet for example) that have been stated to not be in Gil's vault or follow all the rules to show they are not.

That's not true. We see him casually possessing divine noble phantasms like true nine lives, shield of the gods, etc. The rule is that he absolutely has anything that humanity has made but things made by alien civilizations, divine ones, and different breeds of humanity are iffy matters.

It's stated in the VN that Merodach is Excalibur's prototype as well as Caliburn's so nah.

It doesn't matter. Excalibur isn't that impressive at all compared to all the treasures that he has.

Excalibur isn't based on anything. It was the planet's ultimate weapon made to defeat Sefar. Merodach is simply the prototype of Gram and Caliburn (2 weapons weaker than Excalibur's normal mode). Not even to mention the unsealed Excalibur which was capable of defeating Sefar instantly. If you find any scan that suggests Excalibur is it's prototype (It isn't) go ahead and post them.

Those weapons are either from Prisma (Which is outright stated to run on different rules and shouldn't be taken seriously) or exceptions, not the norm.

Excalibur is more powerful than anything in Gil's vault that isn't Ea, which is also weaker than the Anti-Alien mode that was demonstrated against Sefar.

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@lordballer said:
@devoidruby said:

@lordballer: He doesn't have any weapon that's made by non-humans outside of VERY few exceptions. Vasavi Shakti, Avalon, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad are all such weapons in which he does not have a Prototype (Since there is none, Excalibur was made by the planet for example) that have been stated to not be in Gil's vault or follow all the rules to show they are not.

That's not true. We see him casually possessing divine noble phantasms like true nine lives, shield of the gods, etc. The rule is that he absolutely has anything that humanity has made but things made by alien civilizations, divine ones, and different breeds of humanity are iffy matters.

It's stated in the VN that Merodach is Excalibur's prototype as well as Caliburn's so nah.

It doesn't matter. Excalibur isn't that impressive at all compared to all the treasures that he has.

Excalibur isn't based on anything. It was the planet's ultimate weapon made to defeat Sefar. Merodach is simply the prototype of Gram and Caliburn (2 weapons weaker than Excalibur's normal mode). Not even to mention the unsealed Excalibur which was capable of defeating Sefar instantly. If you find any scan that suggests Excalibur is it's prototype (It isn't) go ahead and post them.

Those weapons are either from Prisma (Which is outright stated to run on different rules and shouldn't be taken seriously) or exceptions, not the norm.

Excalibur is more powerful than anything in Gil's vault that isn't Ea, which is also weaker than the Anti-Alien mode that was demonstrated against Sefar.

So Excalibur >>> Black Barrel?No, I do not think so.

And EA is the most powerful and oldest weapon in the Nasuverse!

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@devoidruby said:
@lordballer said:
@devoidruby said:

@lordballer: He doesn't have any weapon that's made by non-humans outside of VERY few exceptions. Vasavi Shakti, Avalon, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad are all such weapons in which he does not have a Prototype (Since there is none, Excalibur was made by the planet for example) that have been stated to not be in Gil's vault or follow all the rules to show they are not.

That's not true. We see him casually possessing divine noble phantasms like true nine lives, shield of the gods, etc. The rule is that he absolutely has anything that humanity has made but things made by alien civilizations, divine ones, and different breeds of humanity are iffy matters.

It's stated in the VN that Merodach is Excalibur's prototype as well as Caliburn's so nah.

It doesn't matter. Excalibur isn't that impressive at all compared to all the treasures that he has.

Excalibur isn't based on anything. It was the planet's ultimate weapon made to defeat Sefar. Merodach is simply the prototype of Gram and Caliburn (2 weapons weaker than Excalibur's normal mode). Not even to mention the unsealed Excalibur which was capable of defeating Sefar instantly. If you find any scan that suggests Excalibur is it's prototype (It isn't) go ahead and post them.

Those weapons are either from Prisma (Which is outright stated to run on different rules and shouldn't be taken seriously) or exceptions, not the norm.

Excalibur is more powerful than anything in Gil's vault that isn't Ea, which is also weaker than the Anti-Alien mode that was demonstrated against Sefar.

So Excalibur >>> Black Barrel?No, I do not think so.

And EA is the most powerful and oldest weapon in the Nasuverse!

Black Barrel isn't a raw power type of deal. It's super effective against the Olympians and TYPES due to how their bodies are specifically composed.

Ea is the most powerful weapon HUMANITY has possessed. But it is still weaker than Excalibur by virtue of Extella lore.

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@devoidruby said:
@lordballer said:
@devoidruby said:

@lordballer: He doesn't have any weapon that's made by non-humans outside of VERY few exceptions. Vasavi Shakti, Avalon, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad are all such weapons in which he does not have a Prototype (Since there is none, Excalibur was made by the planet for example) that have been stated to not be in Gil's vault or follow all the rules to show they are not.

That's not true. We see him casually possessing divine noble phantasms like true nine lives, shield of the gods, etc. The rule is that he absolutely has anything that humanity has made but things made by alien civilizations, divine ones, and different breeds of humanity are iffy matters.

It's stated in the VN that Merodach is Excalibur's prototype as well as Caliburn's so nah.

It doesn't matter. Excalibur isn't that impressive at all compared to all the treasures that he has.

Excalibur isn't based on anything. It was the planet's ultimate weapon made to defeat Sefar. Merodach is simply the prototype of Gram and Caliburn (2 weapons weaker than Excalibur's normal mode). Not even to mention the unsealed Excalibur which was capable of defeating Sefar instantly. If you find any scan that suggests Excalibur is it's prototype (It isn't) go ahead and post them.

Those weapons are either from Prisma (Which is outright stated to run on different rules and shouldn't be taken seriously) or exceptions, not the norm.

Excalibur is more powerful than anything in Gil's vault that isn't Ea, which is also weaker than the Anti-Alien mode that was demonstrated against Sefar.

Nope. That's very much wrong. Ea is the strongest thing in the Nasuverse short of Akasha so DEBUNKED!

Everything is canon and we see Prisma featured in F/GO? Are you still going to tell me it's not canon?

Excalibur was made by fairies, bro. Not the planet. Now it may play the role of "the planet's ultimate weapon" but it's not its creation but that is besides the point.

Also, what? "Find any scan that suggests Excalibur is its prototype." Don't you mean Merodach? And I shouldn't need to find that scan considering that Caliburn predates Excalibur's existence.

However, Gram is stated by Sigurd himself — It's wielder — to be equal to Excalibur and by feats, I'd agree as Gram probably dealt the finishing to Surtr and plus, while WEAKENED and on the brink of death, we see him directly overpower Loptr Laegjarn which has this description:

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@devoidruby said:
@arjunaalter said:
@devoidruby said:
@lordballer said:
@devoidruby said:

@lordballer: He doesn't have any weapon that's made by non-humans outside of VERY few exceptions. Vasavi Shakti, Avalon, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad are all such weapons in which he does not have a Prototype (Since there is none, Excalibur was made by the planet for example) that have been stated to not be in Gil's vault or follow all the rules to show they are not.

That's not true. We see him casually possessing divine noble phantasms like true nine lives, shield of the gods, etc. The rule is that he absolutely has anything that humanity has made but things made by alien civilizations, divine ones, and different breeds of humanity are iffy matters.

It's stated in the VN that Merodach is Excalibur's prototype as well as Caliburn's so nah.

It doesn't matter. Excalibur isn't that impressive at all compared to all the treasures that he has.

Excalibur isn't based on anything. It was the planet's ultimate weapon made to defeat Sefar. Merodach is simply the prototype of Gram and Caliburn (2 weapons weaker than Excalibur's normal mode). Not even to mention the unsealed Excalibur which was capable of defeating Sefar instantly. If you find any scan that suggests Excalibur is it's prototype (It isn't) go ahead and post them.

Those weapons are either from Prisma (Which is outright stated to run on different rules and shouldn't be taken seriously) or exceptions, not the norm.

Excalibur is more powerful than anything in Gil's vault that isn't Ea, which is also weaker than the Anti-Alien mode that was demonstrated against Sefar.

So Excalibur >>> Black Barrel?No, I do not think so.

And EA is the most powerful and oldest weapon in the Nasuverse!

Black Barrel isn't a raw power type of deal. It's super effective against the Olympians and TYPES due to how their bodies are specifically composed.

Ea is the most powerful weapon HUMANITY has possessed. But it is still weaker than Excalibur by virtue of Extella lore.

Lmfao if you believe that that was what Extella Lore was trying to emphasize.

There's a reason why Sefar didn't fight the Babylonian Pantheon and just made a truce with them. She didn't feel confident in beating them in a fight and we know that Gilgamesh >>> Them.

Ea is the most powerful weapon. Period. It's scaled above all the others MULTIPLE times. If I go to Nasu's house and ask him which weapon is stronger, he's 100% going to say Ea.

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@devoidruby said:
@lordballer said:
@devoidruby said:

@lordballer: He doesn't have any weapon that's made by non-humans outside of VERY few exceptions. Vasavi Shakti, Avalon, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad are all such weapons in which he does not have a Prototype (Since there is none, Excalibur was made by the planet for example) that have been stated to not be in Gil's vault or follow all the rules to show they are not.

That's not true. We see him casually possessing divine noble phantasms like true nine lives, shield of the gods, etc. The rule is that he absolutely has anything that humanity has made but things made by alien civilizations, divine ones, and different breeds of humanity are iffy matters.

It's stated in the VN that Merodach is Excalibur's prototype as well as Caliburn's so nah.

It doesn't matter. Excalibur isn't that impressive at all compared to all the treasures that he has.

Excalibur isn't based on anything. It was the planet's ultimate weapon made to defeat Sefar. Merodach is simply the prototype of Gram and Caliburn (2 weapons weaker than Excalibur's normal mode). Not even to mention the unsealed Excalibur which was capable of defeating Sefar instantly. If you find any scan that suggests Excalibur is it's prototype (It isn't) go ahead and post them.

Those weapons are either from Prisma (Which is outright stated to run on different rules and shouldn't be taken seriously) or exceptions, not the norm.

Excalibur is more powerful than anything in Gil's vault that isn't Ea, which is also weaker than the Anti-Alien mode that was demonstrated against Sefar.

Nope. That's very much wrong. Ea is the strongest thing in the Nasuverse short of Akasha so DEBUNKED!

Everything is canon and we see Prisma featured in F/GO? Are you still going to tell me it's not canon?

Excalibur was made by fairies, bro. Not the planet. Now it may play the role of "the planet's ultimate weapon" but it's not its creation but that is besides the point.

Also, what? "Find any scan that suggests Excalibur is its prototype." Don't you mean Merodach? And I shouldn't need to find that scan considering that Caliburn predates Excalibur's existence.

However, Gram is stated by Sigurd himself — It's wielder — to be equal to Excalibur and by feats, I'd agree as Gram probably dealt the finishing to Surtr and plus, we see him cut something upon his initial introduction (I forgot but it was something impressive).

I can name a dozen entities beyond Gil. Amaterasu, Arcueid, ORT, Chaos, Goetia, Tiamat, Olga Marie, Full Power CCC Kiara, Lostbelt King Zeus, Romulus Quirinus, Shuten Douji's True Form and Otakemaru off the top of my head.

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Unironically yes. Prillya runs on different rules.

It was made by the Fey in the planet before Gil ever existed.

Yeah, find scans. Like I did which disprove you.

"Wha"

That… is a familiar sword.

The ornamentation on it is different.

But its true nature, the idea of its creation, and its soul are too close to those of this sword

"It can't be this sword's model…"

"It is. But its strength as a Noble Phantasm is incomparable.

What you have, 'the sword in the stone', originated from the legend of 'the sword of supremacy in the tree' from Northern Europe. But this is the original model, the foundation of the sacred right to select the king."

The sword of supremacy in the tree Gram, the demonic sword of Sigmund, hero of northern Europe its original model…?

Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel

The VN explicitly calls it the Prototype of the original Gram and Caliburn, not Excalibur.

Excalibur has vastly superior showings and hype.

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@lordballer: He doesn't have any weapon that's made by non-humans outside of VERY few exceptions. Vasavi Shakti, Avalon, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad are all such weapons in which he does not have a Prototype (Since there is none, Excalibur was made by the planet for example) that have been stated to not be in Gil's vault or follow all the rules to show they are not.

That's not true. We see him casually possessing divine noble phantasms like true nine lives, shield of the gods, etc. The rule is that he absolutely has anything that humanity has made but things made by alien civilizations, divine ones, and different breeds of humanity are iffy matters.

It's stated in the VN that Merodach is Excalibur's prototype as well as Caliburn's so nah.

It doesn't matter. Excalibur isn't that impressive at all compared to all the treasures that he has.

Excalibur isn't based on anything. It was the planet's ultimate weapon made to defeat Sefar. Merodach is simply the prototype of Gram and Caliburn (2 weapons weaker than Excalibur's normal mode). Not even to mention the unsealed Excalibur which was capable of defeating Sefar instantly. If you find any scan that suggests Excalibur is it's prototype (It isn't) go ahead and post them.

Those weapons are either from Prisma (Which is outright stated to run on different rules and shouldn't be taken seriously) or exceptions, not the norm.

Excalibur is more powerful than anything in Gil's vault that isn't Ea, which is also weaker than the Anti-Alien mode that was demonstrated against Sefar.

Nope. That's very much wrong. Ea is the strongest thing in the Nasuverse short of Akasha so DEBUNKED!

Everything is canon and we see Prisma featured in F/GO? Are you still going to tell me it's not canon?

Excalibur was made by fairies, bro. Not the planet. Now it may play the role of "the planet's ultimate weapon" but it's not its creation but that is besides the point.

Also, what? "Find any scan that suggests Excalibur is its prototype." Don't you mean Merodach? And I shouldn't need to find that scan considering that Caliburn predates Excalibur's existence.

However, Gram is stated by Sigurd himself — It's wielder — to be equal to Excalibur and by feats, I'd agree as Gram probably dealt the finishing to Surtr and plus, we see him cut something upon his initial introduction (I forgot but it was something impressive).

I can name a dozen entities beyond Gil. Amaterasu, Arcueid, ORT, Chaos, Goetia, Tiamat, Olga Marie, Full Power CCC Kiara, Lostbelt King Zeus, Romulus Quirinus, Shuten Douji's True Form and Otakemaru off the top of my head.

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Unironically yes. Prillya runs on different rules.

It was made by the Fey in the planet before Gil ever existed.

Yeah, find scans. Like I did which disprove you.

"Wha"

That… is a familiar sword.

The ornamentation on it is different.

But its true nature, the idea of its creation, and its soul are too close to those of this sword

"It can't be this sword's model…"

"It is. But its strength as a Noble Phantasm is incomparable.

What you have, 'the sword in the stone', originated from the legend of 'the sword of supremacy in the tree' from Northern Europe. But this is the original model, the foundation of the sacred right to select the king."

The sword of supremacy in the tree Gram, the demonic sword of Sigmund, hero of northern Europe its original model…?

Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel

The VN explicitly calls it the Prototype of the original Gram and Caliburn, not Excalibur.

Excalibur has vastly superior showings and hype.

EA is not of humanity it is the only weapon that does not really exist! EA is unique and only Gilgamesh can use it, furthermore related EA from Extella with EA from CCC, Babylonia or any other version is wrong as they are not exactly the same.

And no, these entities are not even at the ankle of Gilgamesh CCC, (still Kiara CCC full strength I'll be ok with the other Gilgamesh, but CCC Gil is extremely superior to her) he defeated him (even if she says that it's BB and her alts that beat her inside because of their love for Hakuno, but that won't make any difference for Gil CCC because he beat them all! If we take if she really was beaten by them in the end, it will mean that they got beaten by beings much inferior to Gilgamesh CCC so Gil CCC will be even more superior to Kiara than he already is!

And Romulus, Zeus ... and the others are in FGO nothing to do with Gilgamesh CCC who will be above them anyway, Arjuna Alter also beats them without problem.

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@devoidruby said:
@lordballer said:
@devoidruby said:
@lordballer said:
@devoidruby said:

@lordballer: He doesn't have any weapon that's made by non-humans outside of VERY few exceptions. Vasavi Shakti, Avalon, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad are all such weapons in which he does not have a Prototype (Since there is none, Excalibur was made by the planet for example) that have been stated to not be in Gil's vault or follow all the rules to show they are not.

That's not true. We see him casually possessing divine noble phantasms like true nine lives, shield of the gods, etc. The rule is that he absolutely has anything that humanity has made but things made by alien civilizations, divine ones, and different breeds of humanity are iffy matters.

It's stated in the VN that Merodach is Excalibur's prototype as well as Caliburn's so nah.

It doesn't matter. Excalibur isn't that impressive at all compared to all the treasures that he has.

Excalibur isn't based on anything. It was the planet's ultimate weapon made to defeat Sefar. Merodach is simply the prototype of Gram and Caliburn (2 weapons weaker than Excalibur's normal mode). Not even to mention the unsealed Excalibur which was capable of defeating Sefar instantly. If you find any scan that suggests Excalibur is it's prototype (It isn't) go ahead and post them.

Those weapons are either from Prisma (Which is outright stated to run on different rules and shouldn't be taken seriously) or exceptions, not the norm.

Excalibur is more powerful than anything in Gil's vault that isn't Ea, which is also weaker than the Anti-Alien mode that was demonstrated against Sefar.

Nope. That's very much wrong. Ea is the strongest thing in the Nasuverse short of Akasha so DEBUNKED!

Everything is canon and we see Prisma featured in F/GO? Are you still going to tell me it's not canon?

Excalibur was made by fairies, bro. Not the planet. Now it may play the role of "the planet's ultimate weapon" but it's not its creation but that is besides the point.

Also, what? "Find any scan that suggests Excalibur is its prototype." Don't you mean Merodach? And I shouldn't need to find that scan considering that Caliburn predates Excalibur's existence.

However, Gram is stated by Sigurd himself — It's wielder — to be equal to Excalibur and by feats, I'd agree as Gram probably dealt the finishing to Surtr and plus, we see him cut something upon his initial introduction (I forgot but it was something impressive).

I can name a dozen entities beyond Gil. Amaterasu, Arcueid, ORT, Chaos, Goetia, Tiamat, Olga Marie, Full Power CCC Kiara, Lostbelt King Zeus, Romulus Quirinus, Shuten Douji's True Form and Otakemaru off the top of my head.

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Unironically yes. Prillya runs on different rules.

It was made by the Fey in the planet before Gil ever existed.

Yeah, find scans. Like I did which disprove you.

"Wha"

That… is a familiar sword.

The ornamentation on it is different.

But its true nature, the idea of its creation, and its soul are too close to those of this sword

"It can't be this sword's model…"

"It is. But its strength as a Noble Phantasm is incomparable.

What you have, 'the sword in the stone', originated from the legend of 'the sword of supremacy in the tree' from Northern Europe. But this is the original model, the foundation of the sacred right to select the king."

The sword of supremacy in the tree Gram, the demonic sword of Sigmund, hero of northern Europe its original model…?

Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel

The VN explicitly calls it the Prototype of the original Gram and Caliburn, not Excalibur.

Excalibur has vastly superior showings and hype.

EA is not of humanity it is the only weapon that does not really exist! EA is unique and only Gilgamesh can use it, furthermore related EA from Extella with EA from CCC, Babylonia or any other version is wrong as they are not exactly the same.

And no, these entities are not even at the ankle of Gilgamesh CCC, (still Kiara CCC full strength I'll be ok with the other Gilgamesh, but CCC Gil is extremely superior to her) he defeated him (even if she says that it's BB and her alts that beat her inside because of their love for Hakuno, but that won't make any difference for Gil CCC because he beat them all! If we take if she really was beaten by them in the end, it will mean that they got beaten by beings much inferior to Gilgamesh CCC so Gil CCC will be even more superior to Kiara than he already is!

And Romulus, Zeus ... and the others are in FGO nothing to do with Gilgamesh CCC who will be above them anyway, Arjuna Alter also beats them without problem.

All of those characters are beyond the ones in CCC. Amaterasu is canonically superior to CCC Gil, and Arcueid is the only person who can defeat her. Shuten and Otakemaru are the other members of the 3 Great Yokai which means they scale to Amaterasu. Chaos was outright stated to be more powerful than anything on Earth by Holmes. Lostbelt King Zeus also scales above Amaterasu by virtue of one shotting Sefar, who Amaterasu could not defeat. The Beasts are superior to him, and Gil needed immense help to bring down Tiamat (King Hassan, Merlin and the Gods and Chaldea) and Goetia (An entire army of Servants and Solomon who was a hard counter to Goetia). Quirinus is a god of the same ranking as Zeus and was able to go blow to blow with him and has immensely powerful authorities.

Karna (Who's comparable to Gil as per WoG) already needed his full power to defeat a low tier stage Sefar, nevermind the one Excalibur one shot.

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All of those characters are beyond the ones in CCC. Amaterasu is canonically superior to CCC Gil, and Arcueid is the only person who can defeat her. Shuten and Otakemaru are the other members of the 3 Great Yokai which means they scale to Amaterasu. Chaos was outright stated to be more powerful than anything on Earth by Holmes. Lostbelt King Zeus also scales above Amaterasu by virtue of one shotting Sefar, who Amaterasu could not defeat. The Beasts are superior to him, and Gil needed immense help to bring down Tiamat (King Hassan, Merlin and the Gods and Chaldea) and Goetia (An entire army of Servants and Solomon who was a hard counter to Goetia). Quirinus is a god of the same ranking as Zeus and was able to go blow to blow with him and has immensely powerful authorities.

Karna (Who's comparable to Gil as per WoG) already needed his full power to defeat a low tier stage Sefar, nevermind the one Excalibur one shot.

It has never been proven that these characters are stronger than Gil CCC.

In addition Arcueid has nothing impressive it literally can do nothing.

I think you didn't quite understand the nasuverse, but hey you're free to think what you want and I don't mind your opinion, I just don't agree with your thoughts.

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@arjunaalter: I literally just explained why each and everyone of them are superior to him.

@emiyaarcher:

In EXTRA and CCC, she (Arcueid) is about the only one who is “Capable of defeating Konjiki Hakumen (Golden White Face), no matter how small the chance might be.”

Cope.

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@arjunaalter: I literally just explained why each and everyone of them are superior to him.

@emiyaarcher:

In EXTRA and CCC, she (Arcueid) is about the only one who is “Capable of defeating Konjiki Hakumen (Golden White Face), no matter how small the chance might be.”

Cope.

You hadn't proven anything at all, Gilgamesh CCC remains the strongest in 2nd position just after Akasha who is 1st and will remain so forever because she is the omnipotent source of all things and without limits!

But again you have your opinion and I have mine, I respect that.

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@arjunaalter: Explain to me how posting a word of god from Nasu explicitly stating Arcueid is the only person in Extra and CCC who can beat Amaterasu doesn’t in turn make Amaterasu more powerful than Gilgamesh?

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@arjunaalter: Explain to me how posting a word of god from Nasu explicitly stating Arcueid is the only person in Extra and CCC who can beat Amaterasu doesn’t in turn make Amaterasu more powerful than Gilgamesh?

1. I have never seen this statement.

2. Nasu this counter says a lot and some of these statements are obsolete, moreover enuma elishe is described as being able to destroy everything.

But as I tell you you have the right to think whatever you want it does not bother me but I will not change my mind.

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@arjunaalter: Ignore him.

He lives in a fantasy land where Saber is stronger than Gilgamesh.

Arcueid is also not stronger than Gilgamesh. She was beaten by EMIYA/Nero/Tamano in Fate Extra but he won't acknowledge that.

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@lordballer: I never once stated Saber was more powerful than Gilgamesh. Nice lying.

You also failed To mention that the Arcueid you defeated was MASSIVELY weakened.

So that’s an account of lying and withholding information. Good job.

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@arjunaalter: Ignore him.

He lives in a fantasy land where Saber is stronger than Gilgamesh.

Arcueid is also not stronger than Gilgamesh. She was beaten by EMIYA/Nero/Tamano in Fate Extra but he won't acknowledge that.

I understood it well, but he has the right to think what he wants even if it is not coherent. In addition, he is not as insolent as some who answered us on other threads.

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@arjunaalter: Explain to me how posting a word of god from Nasu explicitly stating Arcueid is the only person in Extra and CCC who can beat Amaterasu doesn’t in turn make Amaterasu more powerful than Gilgamesh?

Amaterasu isn't more powerful than Gilgamesh because we literally see in Fate Extra CCC that she has to either stay in the moon-cell or get erased by it while Gilgamesh just straight up either leaves it by himself or takes Hakuno with him.

It's also the fact that she has an abysmally low damage output in comparison to Gilgamesh during the fight with BB.

99999+ Instant death status effect vs barely pushing out 3k damage. Hmmm I wonder who's stronger.

Notice that Nasu said the word "About the only one" as well vs him saying the only one. It's funny how you listen to statements without really thinking about the context next to them.

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@lordballer: I never once stated Saber was more powerful than Gilgamesh. Nice lying.

You also failed To mention that the Arcueid you defeated was MASSIVELY weakened.

So that’s an account of lying and withholding information. Good job.

"MUH MASSIVELY WEAKENED."

We literally knock her out so hard that she snaps back to her sanity and leaves the moon-cell. Nowhere is it said that she was insanely weakened in our battle with her.

Funny you accuse me of lying when your the one trying to say that Excalibur is stronger than Gram despite them being confirmed equal.

Lmfao.

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Gilgamesh solos all of the fodder verse.

Not even Law of identity, Akuto Sai, or any one from Light Novel can defeat Composite Gilgamesh, let alone Fate stay night Gilgamesh.

For Fate stay night maybe not but composite is clearly almost invincible (because Akasha is the only one above all I know)

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Have no idea what kid gilgamesh is capable of but if he can use thr gate of babylon like adult gilg then he clears every encounter subaru had through sheer brute force. The outcome of the story would become very different though.

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@joshtaku said:

Have no idea what kid gilgamesh is capable of but if he can use thr gate of babylon like adult gilg then he clears every encounter subaru had through sheer brute force. The outcome of the story would become very different though.

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^ This video shows him in action.

Do you think that he'd kill Rem and Ram if they tried to kill him like they did Subaru?

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@lordballer: Yes. The moment rem goes at him, he'd blow her up. Once ram finds out, she'll attack as well and get blown up like her sister. Roswaal would attack in retribution and get blown up. If betty gets involved though then she could banish him to a different dimension. I dunno if Gilgamesh has interdimensional travel capabilities but I imagine he wouldn't care and just continue on in the new dimension.

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@lordballer: Yes. The moment rem goes at him, he'd blow her up. Once ram finds out, she'll attack as well and get blown up like her sister. Roswaal would attack in retribution and get blown up. If betty gets involved though then she could banish him to a different dimension. I dunno if Gilgamesh has interdimensional travel capabilities but I imagine he wouldn't care and just continue on in the new dimension.

Edit: actually though, rem wouldn't havr a reason to attack since gilg doesnt have the witch scent on him.

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@joshtaku said:

@lordballer: Yes. The moment rem goes at him, he'd blow her up. Once ram finds out, she'll attack as well and get blown up like her sister. Roswaal would attack in retribution and get blown up. If betty gets involved though then she could banish him to a different dimension. I dunno if Gilgamesh has interdimensional travel capabilities but I imagine he wouldn't care and just continue on in the new dimension.

What about the Whale? Do you think he'd kill it?

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@joshtaku: For Kid Gil I don't really know (in Prisma he traveled in 2 diferent dimensions, but CCC Gil transcends them almost all!

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@lordballer: I honestly don't know. Like I said I don't know anything about Gilgamesh (adult or kid) but from the video you showed me, I'm guessing he'd have a very hard time. The whale can take huge amounts of damage and only when it was cut in half was it defeated. If Gil spams out multiple exploding replica weapons at it then sure it might go down eventually but if Gil doesn't have a defense against the mist of the whale then he might be done for. Again, I'm no Gilga-expert and I might be completely wrong so someone feel free to correct me if so.

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@joshtaku said:

@lordballer: I honestly don't know. Like I said I don't know anything about Gilgamesh (adult or kid) but from the video you showed me, I'm guessing he'd have a very hard time. The whale can take huge amounts of damage and only when it was cut in half was it defeated. If Gil spams out multiple exploding replica weapons at it then sure it might go down eventually but if Gil doesn't have a defense against the mist of the whale then he might be done for. Again, I'm no Gilga-expert and I might be completely wrong so someone feel free to correct me if so.

Thanks for your input. Gilgamesh doesn't have replicas btw. I think your confusing him with EMIYA. He has the real original versions of every heroic spirit's noble phantasm contained inside his Gate of Babylon.

The adult version of himself would've definitely been able to take it down problem. But his kid self can't open as many Gate of Babylon portals and I see it being a very long fight for him honestly where he could potentially run out of stamina.

I think his armor could be able to protect him from the mist as it's resistant to true magic but 🤷‍♂️.

Do you think he could handle the witch's invasion?

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@joshtaku said:

@lordballer: I honestly don't know. Like I said I don't know anything about Gilgamesh (adult or kid) but from the video you showed me, I'm guessing he'd have a very hard time. The whale can take huge amounts of damage and only when it was cut in half was it defeated. If Gil spams out multiple exploding replica weapons at it then sure it might go down eventually but if Gil doesn't have a defense against the mist of the whale then he might be done for. Again, I'm no Gilga-expert and I might be completely wrong so someone feel free to correct me if so.

Thanks for your input. Gilgamesh doesn't have replicas btw. I think your confusing him with EMIYA. He has the real original versions of every heroic spirit's noble phantasm contained inside his Gate of Babylon.

The adult version of himself would've definitely been able to take it down problem. But his kid self can't open as many Gate of Babylon portals and I see it being a very long fight for him honestly where he could potentially run out of stamina.

I think his armor could be able to protect him from the mist as it's resistant to true magic but 🤷‍♂️.

Do you think he could handle the witch's invasion?

You talking about the witch cult invasion?