Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Thanos

Title says all. Who would win?

Setup:

No Infinity Gauntlet or Cosmic Cube

Thanos solos him like did against silver surfer,gladiator,Ronan,Qusar and Beta ray bill without infinity gauntlet nor cosmic cube

Thanos would win, would be interested in if Thanos could facetank Ea though...

Thanos. Mismatch

Gilgamesh is OP in his own universe. But Thanos would incinerate him.

thanos solos all that weeb shit

I dont think even composite Gil can defeat Thanos

Thanos solos the fate servants tmk

Praise the comics of the western white aryan comic master race! Down to the fictions from the region of small penisry.

Thanos stomps.

Judging from what I know about Gilamesh this is a mismatch, The Mad Titan destroys him.

Which version of Gilgamesh?
There is no information here and people just write shit because they feel like it, not because they want to debate it.

Who needs debating when we have VSBattles wiki pages to do our thinking for us?

This is just spite.

VSBattles is terrible when it comes to Fate and Nasuverse in general. I don't know other verses, so I don't know if their ratings are ok, but here it's just a disaster.

Disregarding feats, while basing their entire rating on a single statement made a decade ago, etc.
BB has universal feats at the very least, and Gilgamesh is straight out more powerful than she is.

@chaosknight75:

Assuming this is CCC Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh, he deletes Thanos. BASE form BB is stated to be universal. CCC Gilgamesh kept pace and stomped Moon Cell BB, who is omnipresent and beyond infinite multiversal. The Moon Cell has infinite realms, such as a space where infinite physically simulated futures are stored, the Universe of Record (possibly infinite), the Infinte Chimeric Lunar Sea (this is just a name, so this paticular one isn't 100%), and the space between the seventh layer and the core. Gilgamesh with Ea's spinning alone destroyed the Moon Cell reality marble briefly (which contains all of these realms), and Gilgamesh is capable of one shotting BB, who can easily manipulate all of it. BB is also omnipresent and above time itself, yet Gilgamesh kept pace and stomped her. If CCC Gilgamesh was only MFTL, then omnipresent BB would flat out blitz him; Rin explains in detail how BB's omnipresence works too in-game. Gilgamesh's "MFTL feat" wasn't simply MFTL; Gilgamesh was flying in conceptual space beyond time itself in the Moon Cell's higher dimensions (Far Side). Dimensional tierring also exist in CCC, as lower dimensional beings can't damage higher, nor can they exist in higher dimensional realms, and Gilgamesh and BB are both 8D. Enuma Elish also ignores durability and returns everything to nothingness. CCC Gilgamesh is also nigh-omniscient via SNI. I can send proof for any of this if anyone wants.

Thanos (arguably any Thanos) gets blitzed and one shotted by CCC Gilgamesh. If it's normal FSN Gilgamesh, then Thanos stomps. Maybe Cosmic Cube can take on BASE form CCC Gil (who is implied to be around universal base BB), but if it's CCC Gilgamesh in his Genesis Mystic Code form, it's lights out for any Thanos.

@zgtfreak: WTF did I just read...

Cancer.

Is this a joke

Your not kidding. I mean... damn...

@chaosknight75:

First off, I'd like to say I use the term "megaverse" for anything simply beyond infinite multiversal, as I do not feel like repeating "beyond infinite multiversal". With that out of the way...

CCC Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh cannot be compared to his planet level Fate counterpart, as Extraverse works entirely different. CCC Gilgamesh is at least multiversal. He defeated BB, who became a higher dimensional being that fused with a device that simulates and physically stores infinite possible futures. BB is also able to destroy reality after fusing with the Moon Cell and has shown to do so. Even Hakuno is capable of reshaping reality when fusing with the Moon Cell.

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"Rani :: The Holy Grail is an observational device that simulates the future of the Earth, and stores those records continuously, at regular intervals. It has been doing so since the beginning of human history. Though it is supposed, an infinity of futures are recorded here in the moon. To obtain the Moon Cell means to be able to search out the future you wish for from among all of those, and put it into effect." < < < https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2014/10/14/entry-141-ellipsis/

We learn from Twice Piecemen in Fate/Extra (the game before Fate/Extra CCC) that the futures that Rani speak of are indeed infinite. Also simulating and storing infinite possibilities ALONE is storing infinite different outcomes, which is what timelines are, infinite different outcomes. Not only that, but storing something that is infinite is infinite, period. The Moon Cell has complete rule over it's domain/reality, meaning it can easily erase said infinite physically stored futures as easy as it simulates and stores them. BB fusing with the Moon Cell completely means she also has this power; so BB can create and erase something of infinite size. These possibilities also exist because the Moon Cell not only simulates, but stores them, making these possibilities exist to some degree like timelines, since they can be stored as if they exist. Even if you say they aren't similar to timelines, storing something of infinite size is infinite (as I said before).

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/3/39/BBCCC.gif/revision/latest?cb=20160210191518

^^^^^

"Cursed Cutting Crater (C. C. C.)

An attack on the world by BB in control of the Moon Cell.

Also called the spirit particle imaginary pit.

A world purge by means of event rewriting, making maximum use of the EX skill “Potnia Theron” BB had acquired.

The goddess who is the mother of the earth goddesses who created the earth is, in other words, the “root” that created all creation.

This Noble Phantasm is an anti-world Noble Phantasm that outputs information like an ultra-precise 3d printer and crushes the present world with the world desired by the user.

The space eroded by BB becomes imaginary space and a curse that consumes reality. CCC as the name suggests is a cursed pit that bores out reality.

In addition to scattering all objects inside on an atomic level and reconstructing them, it is capable of writing over and rewriting information of fields such as luck and coincidence.

While theoretical, it is also thought possible to distort the time axis by interfering with gravity fields and rewrite the law of cause and effect.

When used in combat, BB’s familiars, the shapeshifters engulf the target, and after turning into a sphere, is wiped out of existence along with the target and the dimension with it."

Calling CCC planet level because it's called "Anti World" is vastly out of context.

The Moon Cell can create 8D structures and 5D realms where lower dimensional beings can't even exist in. The Moon Cell completely failed in all attempts to kill Gilgamesh as well. Gilgamesh can even move inside the Far Side, which is a higher dimensional realm where time itself doesn't work properly and no living being is able to survive in it. He also defeated BB, who is omnipresent and not bound by time. This makes Gilgamesh (contrary to popular belief) faster than time itself, not MFTL. The feat of him getting back from 1,500 light years was more than just distance; Kiara threw Gilgamesh into conceptual space and it shows a beam of light come across the screen and he is back. His speed would also have to be beyond time because BB's existence encompasses the entire Moon Cell and is above time itself, as she can look down upon the past present, and future all at once, and can interact with each point in time as she pleases. Base BB (before fusing with the Moon Cell) could put herself in unlimited time even, meaning even BASE BB isn't properly bound by time. Gilgamesh would get blitzed by BB if he was simply MFTL.

Gilgamesh in Far Side> "There also exists the Far Side of the Moon (月の裏側, Tsuki no Uragawa?), an imaginary space known as the trash bin that is used for storing malicious information and imaginary numbers. Sealed off as "Not For Use" information, it is a higher dimension where the light within the photon crystals is jumbled. It is the “exterior of the world”, and can be called the "Garden of the Fallen" built from imaginary numbers in contrast to the Near Side being a cell where the "light of heavenly fire" is imprisoned.[7] Due to his power, Gilgamesh is not allowed to appear on the Near Side of the Moon, so he sleeps in the Far Side instead. Nothing else should be able to exist there because it is the territory of nil, and intelligent life forms should not be allowed or be able to exist there."

"Due to BB surfacing and gaining power as an Advanced A.I., she begins an extensive reconstruction and periods of resetting to work towards her goals. This allows for someone to contact Gilgamesh even when it should be impossible. The end result of her work is Cursed Cutting Crater, a real space in the present, past, and future. Establishing it as a "place", even Masters can exist there. It is not possible to hack the Moon Cell however much time is spent, but she is able to take control of it by placing herself in “unlimited time” through the power of the primordial goddesses she has taken into herself"

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Moon_Cell#Far_Side

https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/entry-143-why-we-cant-win/ < Rin speaking about omnipresent BB.

^ Rin also says BB has a higher dimensional existence, not just perspective. "Think of it as a higher dimensional existence." Base BB before fusing with the Moon Cell can live in and effect the Far Side (this debunk is meant for Vsbattles fans who think BB is not higher dimensional).

Gilgamesh also can destroy the Moon Cell's reality marble (although the Moon Cell is capable of bringing it back briefly after) via the spinning of Ea alone. The Moon Cell's reality marble acts like a normal reality, despite it being virtual. The reality marble contains the Far Side, the Near Side, and at least one infinite sized area where the Moon Cell stores infinite futures. There was another infinite sized space between the seventh layer and the core, but since I haven't searched for the link, you can dismiss it for now. There is also a possible infinite sized space in the Near Side. https://s22.postimg.cc/zbme22idd/Untitled7.png

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/1/11/EACCC.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150831154656 < Gilgamesh destroying the Moon Cell reality marble.

So Gilgamesh destroyed a reality that contains one undeniable infinite sized space (which is a multiversal feat), and possibly two more infinite sized spaces (megaversal feat). He also defeated BB, who fused/became the Moon Cell itself.

Now time for debunking debunks.

A common CCC debunk is Gilgamesh was on par with average Servants. No. His Servant contract with Hakuno massively weakened him until he gets his Mystic Code.

"Gilgamesh :: …still, this isn’t good. While it was a delight to experience the dilemmas of the weak, there is a limit to it. To be pushed about from start to finish by a second-rate Servant…it’s almost disheartening."

"That’s not Gilgamesh’s responsibility. While his physical condition did degrade during his long sleep, the original cause of it is my own failings." < Hakuno, Gilgamesh's master speaking. < https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/entry-36-another-secret-another-garden/

Another weak debunk is that Nasu stated Types are the strongest despite being solar system level at best, wrong. That statement was made before Fate/Extra even existed.

And yet another weak debunk is that the Moon Cell is not higher dimensional since it couldn't kill Arcuied, wrong. Arcuied only survived a deletion wall meant for average servants, Hakuno saying the Moon Cell doesn't have authority over her is just Hakuno speaking. Hakuno knows nothing hardly about the Moon Cell at that time and just made an assumption. Even if it was true, having more authority isn't the same as being more powerful. All Acruied did was survive a deletion wall only meant for servants. We also have no idea how powerful Extraverse Arcuied is. Arcueid also has an ability that makes her faster, stronger, and more durable than ANYONE she is facing, so this is an invalid debunk.

Honestly, did you even play CCC? Base BB was stated to be universal, not Moon Cell fused BB.

And yes, this is copy and pasted, but I created this whole thing (not cheaply stolen off of someone).

Holy moly

Sheesh, give me the reader's digest version. Most of that essay was irrelevant with the few good points taken grossly out of context.

For your first few links. Noticed that it said possible futures. All the Moon Cell does is record the Earth and make predictions of all possible future events that happen based on the data it acquires. It's not full fledged realities and nothing beyond the Earth.

Taking over the Moon Cell gave BB Omniscience of all possible future outcomes and some neat reality warping on a Universal scale in tandem with that omniscience to make the outcomes she wanted.

Nope. She achieves Universal status after attaining the Moon Cell.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/bb-respect-thread-fate-extra-ccc.363702/

Rest is more Muh Higher Dimensions blah blah. It's so overused and abused that it's got no credibility. BB is Universe level and hell, mostly from flowery writing and statements.

No I didn't. I doubt you have either since Fate/Extra CCC never got released outside Japan. Not that I'd be interested in it either. Fate/Extra really wanted to be a Visual Novel with the gameplay being an after-thought. Said gameplay being a watered down Turn-Based game that played little more than a repetitive session of Rock Paper Scissors.

Thankfully we got Fate/Extella, the official sequel after Fate/Extra, which was a better game that's also available for anyone to get. Speaking of which, Fate/Extella does indeed show timelines exist, but each timeline makes up not just the Moon Cell, but the entire setting of the series. There's a separate Moon Cell, a separate Earth it collects data, a separate Umbral Star, etc. in each timeline.

No way for the Moon Cell to interact with Moon Cells from other timelines and they have no control over what happens to each other. Hell, the only way for Hakuno to even send information of what happened in his time was to use the Regalia which gives him access to the Moon Cell's power, to time travel back and relay the message, and it came at the consequence of retconning himself out of existence. So much for all that power over reality.

Nevermind the fact that the Moon Cell can't even deal with it's nemesis Umbral Star, whose just a freaking alien asteroid flying through space or the Servant Altera it works under.

@chaosknight75: "For your first few links. Noticed that it said possible futures. All the Moon Cell does is record the Earth and make predictions of all possible future events that happen based on the data it acquires. It's not full fledged realities and nothing beyond the Earth."

Rani stated they are stored and simulated, making them exist to some extent in the Moon Cell, and there are an infinite amount of them. Just because it views only the Earth doesn't mean it's any different from a timeline, as any change anywhere can create a different timeline.

"Taking over the Moon Cell gave BB Omniscience of all possible future outcomes and some neat reality warping on a Universal scale in tandem with that omniscience to make the outcomes she wanted."

Rin flat out says she has a higher dimensional perspective AND existence, being above time to where she can see the past, present, and future at once. Also Spacebattles is about as bad as Vsbattles. They spam the word "outlier" for almost everything. Base BB is also indeed universal, as she had not reached the core yet.

"No I didn't. I doubt you have either since Fate/Extra CCC never got released outside Japan. Not that I'd be interested in it either. Fate/Extra really wanted to be a Visual Novel with the gameplay being an after-thought. Said gameplay being a watered down Turn-Based game that played little more than a repetitive session of Rock Paper Scissors."

Gilgamesh's route is fully translated in English. Also Extella is a generic hack 'n slash. Speaking of Extella...

Stop mentioning it... Extella is non canon to the original Extra video games. Extella's lore, feats, and cosmology are different from Extra. You cannot use Extella Moon Cell (or character feats) for Extra. Examples? Gilgamesh is affected by the Far Side in Extella, yet he was completely fine in the Far Side in CCC. Using Extella's logic, CCC Gilgamesh would've been DEAD before the events of CCC even happened, not to mention that in CCC, the Moon Cell couldn't even contain Gilgamesh once he reached full power, which resulted in him breaking free of it (although he did use 90% of his treasury to break out). Even the lore itself is different, such as the Moon Cell's motives. In the original Fate/Extra, the Moon Cell was going to delete Hakuno once her wish was fulfilled, not bestow a regalia to defend against the Umbral Star. Extella is it's own completely separate timeline with different lore and feats. Extella Gilgamesh being effected by the Far Side while CCC wasn't (and was above the Moon Cell entirely at full power) proves using Extella to argue the original Extra and CCC is invalid. To be honest, using Extella feats for CCC is as invalid as using normal Fate for CCC. They are all separate things with massively different levels of power. If Gilgamesh from the original Extra/CCC timeline came to Extella, he'd simply casually wave Ea and delete the Umbral Star from existence; nothing in Extella compares to CCC.

Oh yeah, Nasu even stated that he had a different version of Extra that was a prequel to Extella (in case you didn't know, Extella does not fit into the original Extra timeline at all just in the way things fit character wise alone). https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/188034-fate-extella-the-umbral-star/74558479

You really shouldn't debate over a game you've never played.

@zgtfreak: And what it stores is data. Even your own scans say this, with those futures only being desribed as possible futures. They don’t actually exist.

Don’t care. Dimensional arguments suck. Unless your gonna tell me Aizen from Bleach is also Multiversal because he’s in a higher dimension to 3-D Bleach characters too.

And yet both Extella literally takes place after Fate/Extra, meaning it’s the same exact setting. Just a different story. Dialogue from Gil, mainly with how he identifies Hakuno despite never knowing him/her until Extra CCC also point to this being the same Gil.

Extella is pretty much a Dynasty Warrior’s clone. I’d definitely prefer a deeper combat system than just button mashing like if Platinum Games was behind it. Still better than Extra’s practically non-existent gameplay though

@chaosknight75: The fact they are simulated and stored in the Moon Cell makes them EXIST only IN the Moon Cell, aka they aren't in reality yet. The fact the Moon Cell can simulate and store (making them exist to some extent in it's own reality) all of these futures is an infinite multiversal feat alone, even if they only exist in the Moon Cell and not in reality. The fact BB can manipulate it at will and Gil flat out destroys the reality marble is proof of their power.

CCC has in-depth explanation of dimensions. Dimensional tierring can be used IF the verse explains how they work, and if statements and feats support it; Bleach does not support dimensional tierring. Also even ignoring dimensions, beyond infinite multiversal power is proven without it.

Literally explain how Extella does not fit in with the original games and you ignore it. Gilgamesh would be DEAD in CCC if we use Extella, as Extella Gil is affected by the Far Side while CCC Gil lives in it casually. CCC events could've happened in a much different way in Extella's timeline. Tamamo and Nero both being in the Grail War at once contradicts Extra too, as well as the Moon Cell's motives. Also once again I posted Nasu's (the creator of the verse) statement. I'll repost it once more. "Oh yeah, Nasu even stated that he had a different version of Extra that was a prequel to Extella (in case you didn't know, Extella does not fit into the original Extra timeline at all just in the way things fit character wise alone). https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/188034-fate-extella-the-umbral-star/74558479" I posted this last comment btw.

Once again, if CCC timeline Gil came to Extella, the Umbral Star would've been blinked out of existence.

@zgtfreak: Bullshit. It says it right there those possible futures are merely predictions it makes as it records the entire planet. I really want to see the kind of mental gymnastics involved to assume their full-fledged universes. Especially off the recordings of a single planet and nothing more to boot.

Nope, so far, BB after taking the Moon Cell’s power, not before, just could reality warp on a universal scale. That’s all she wrote. So Dimensional arguments mean jack in saying she’s anything more than universal either.

And I’m telling you it’s just an alternate story. Extella takes place after Extra. Events in Extra are acknowledged as having happened in Extella and hell, there’s even a few references to Extra CCC too.

@chaosknight75: Rani says they are simulated and stored. Something of infinite size the Moon Cell is capable of simulating and storing, along with other realms.

> Admits to never playing the game.

> Tries to argue that Moon Cell fused BB had the universal statement and not base BB, pretending as if he knows.

Yeah, I wonder why universal Moon Cell fused BB was still trying to get to the core and fuse with it... Hm... Maybe because she WASN'T fused with it yet?

Extra's events are heavily altered in Extella's timeline, along with feats. You can't use feats from a massively different timeline of Extra when it's feats and lore are different. I even proved how they are different and how Nasu's Extella/Zero replaces Extra. Just because some offshoot of CCC happened in Extella doesn't mean it is the same as the original CCC, especially since the events of Extra are heavily altered in Extella's timeline. You're basically saying "Hey, let me debunk CCC Gil by using feats of a different Gil from a different timeline with different lore and power levels! Also it's canon to the original Extra despite Nasu saying otherwise and the story not being able to fit in the original video games!" I debunked how Extella CAN NOT and DOES NOT fit with Extra/CCC.

I'd also like to point out you're trying to debate me on a game that you admitted to never playing. If you played CCC, you'd realize Gilgamesh leaving the Moon Cell with Hakuno makes the events of Extella impossible to happen. Stop trying to debate a game you never played. Fate/Extra and CCC are their own set of timelines apart from Extella, which has their own timelines, which is different from normal Fate, which has their own timelines. Each version has massively different levels of power.

At least you ditched trying to refute beyond MFTL Gil and omnipresent BB.

Don't even mention Extra CCC and Extella in the same sentence. Extella is an inconsistent pile of shit. It's so badly written that Gilgamesh was supposed to be dead long before the events of CCC, according to their logic.

Thanos takes this rather easily. Interminable and unnecessary walls of text that spread misinformation won't change that.

@madvillain_: And declaring Thanos wins because you say so with no evidence doesn't change the fact that he gets spite stomped by CCC Gil. At least he can stomp FSN Gil.

@swagpack You'll get used to it. Every CCC debate involved people who never played the game and use Extella as debunks, not knowing it does not fit with original Extra. The dude even admitted he's never played CCC but is trying to debunk it.

@madvillain_: Then your knowledge is wrong. Extra and CCC are a set of very different alternate timelines from the rest of the Nasuverse, however all timelines are canon. Unless the OP states the version, I use the strongest version until stated otherwise.

@zgtfreak said:

This doesn't fall in line with battle forum rules. If it's not stated in the OP, you're supposed to use the standard version of the character, not the strongest composite version. Plus, the pictured version of Gil in the OP is from the anime.

@madvillain_: And the original Fate/Stay Night is a visual novel video game. Your point? Fate started off as a video game.

Timeline stuff is somewhere in here I think. https://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Quantum_Time-Lock Extella mostly explains how timelines work. Even Extella's fodder Moon Cell has control over timelines to some extent. Fate/Stay Night (original/first Fate series) has three different routes/timelines as well. A large majority of the Nasuverse is about timelines. The thing is, levels of power are drastically different in the Fate/Extra/CCC timelines, far above the likes of Extella or any other incarnation of Fate. If timeline stuff isn't in that link, I'll have to try and fine some random Extella video on it. FYI it's fine to use Extella for timeline related things, but using feats and power levels of Extella for CCC is laughably bad, when their feats, story, and events are so different that they can't even fit together.

As for walls of text, I only posted it because this dude tried to call my statements wank while openly admitting he's never played and knows nothing about the game.

When the OP simply says "Fate" that can mean any version. Anime Gil is also not the standard, VN Gil is. He simply said "Fate" and posted a non canon anime adaption pic, which can mean anything. It's pretty common for people to use a standard pic to my knowledge. Pic doesn't always indicate version either. Also I am not using composite, simply the strongest timeline version (kinda the same thing, but still).

@madvillain_: Have you seen Type Moon works? They are pretty much mostly about timelines. Also Nasu (the original creator of Fate and the verse) created Extra and Extella, with no statements about it being non canon. I really don't feel like going on Fate/Extella walkthrough part 48 on Youtube to find a random wall of text explaining it. I can post proof of Nasu creating these however...

"Fate/Extra CCC (フェイト／エクストラ CCC, Feito/Ekusutora CCC^?, stylized as Fate/EXTRA CCC) is a sequel and companion game to Fate/Extra. Originally announced for release in Japan during Spring 2012, the game was later pushed to Winter 2012 and then given a firm release date for February 21, 2013. The release date was ultimately pushed back to March 28, 2013.

As with its predecessor, the game was developed by Imageepoch in collaboration with TYPE-MOON. The scenario was written by Kinoko Nasu, with Takashi Takeuchi as the character designer and Arco Wada as the illustrator."

"Nasu:

At first I'd aimed for CCC to be something that can be enjoyed on its own, even more so with Extra. And that Extra can be enjoyed even more with CCC, like Fate/hollow ataraxia to Fate/stay night.

But as I wrote the scenario, I became aware of a desire to state the "answer" of the Fate series, which has been continuing for almost ten years now.

After ten years, I finally realized that "this is what I wanted to say with the Fate series." If I'm able to complete this, then there'll no longer be anything left for me to say."

https://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fate/Extra_CCC

Seems pretty canon to me (it 100% is if you actually know about the verse, no offense), but hopefully this is enough for you.

If the OP is using FSN Gil, then he gets stomped, even Extella Gil gets stomped. CCC Gil blinks the Thanos the OP is using however, even IG Thanos. I posted a wall of text also because it's always the same situation. People never played CCC because there is only one hard to find Gilgamesh route that is translated in English, so everyone goes off Vsbattles and Spacebattles because they never read or play that one translated route. It just gets on my nerves when someone admits to never playing a game, and tries to debunk it anyways. Most people just ASSUME CCC Gil is planet level because they assume he's the same as his other timeline counterparts.

Extra CCC is canon af.

@madvillain_: By blinks I mean one shots. Gilgamesh can keep up and one shot BB, who is omnipresent in the sense she is above time itself and can view it all at once like a book due to being a higher dimensional being, that and she exist everywhere in the Moon Cell at once after fusing with it. The Moon Cell also simulates and stores infinite futures, and it seems there are other infinite realms as well. Gilgamesh briefly destroys the entire Moon Cell reality marble via Ea's spinning alone; the Moon Cell reality marble contains all of these realms. Enuma Elish (the actual blast of Ea) ignores durability and returns everything to nothingness on impact. The fact Gilgamesh kept pace with a being beyond time makes it well within his power to blitz and one shot Thanos (unless I'm forgetting any speed feats from Thanos). Also he's pretty much immune to every hax IG has. This alone is enough to say he is above IG, but IF you want to go further, dimensional tierring also exist in the verse (as in the verse shows higher dimensions are superior to lower); in CCC lower dimensional beings can't exist in higher, and 6D constructs like Avalon make the user immune to lower dimensional attacks. Gilgamesh and BB are 8D in CCC. Even without dimensions, CCC Gil could stomp IG Thanos. The dude's argument earlier for only universal BB and Gil was referring to their base forms.

@zgtfreak:

Rani says they are simulated and stored. Something of infinite size the Moon Cell is capable of simulating and storing, along with other realms.

Yeah, simulations of a single planet. Not Muh Infinite timelines that don't exist because their only possible futures that are thought up from data gathering. All this did was give BB Nigh-Omniscience.

Admits to never playing the game.

You haven't played either. Your going off a fan translation.

Tries to argue that Moon Cell fused BB had the universal statement and not base BB, pretending as if he knows.

Yeah, I wonder why universal Moon Cell fused BB was still trying to get to the core and fuse with it... Hm... Maybe because she WASN'T fused with it yet?

Extra's events are heavily altered in Extella's timeline, along with feats. You can't use feats from a massively different timeline of Extra when it's feats and lore are different. I even proved how they are different and how Nasu's Extella/Zero replaces Extra. Just because some offshoot of CCC happened in Extella doesn't mean it is the same as the original CCC, especially since the events of Extra are heavily altered in Extella's timeline. You're basically saying "Hey, let me debunk CCC Gil by using feats of a different Gil from a different timeline with different lore and power levels! Also it's canon to the original Extra despite Nasu saying otherwise and the story not being able to fit in the original video games!" I debunked how Extella CAN NOT and DOES NOT fit with Extra/CCC.

I'd also like to point out you're trying to debate me on a game that you admitted to never playing. If you played CCC, you'd realize Gilgamesh leaving the Moon Cell with Hakuno makes the events of Extella impossible to happen. Stop trying to debate a game you never played. Fate/Extra and CCC are their own set of timelines apart from Extella, which has their own timelines, which is different from normal Fate, which has their own timelines. Each version has massively different levels of power.

At least you ditched trying to refute beyond MFTL Gil and omnipresent BB.

She already hacked the Moon Cell and had all those neat perks from taking it's power since the start. Game takes place before that. Arguing she's anything more is bull.

This is the same copy and paste wank I've seen done plenty of times for stuff like Dragon Ball, Medaka Box, and Touhou. Don't ruin Fate now.

@chaosknight75:
The timelines that are stored within the Automaton are real. This is called "Universe of Record".

Fusing with the Moon Cell happened when she enveloped the Core. What we are doing in Extra CCC is just following the "past BB" who already knows that in the future she succeeded.

Basically, both of you are wrong in some stuff, so there is no reason to yell at each other.

@chaosknight75: There are an infinite amount of them. The Moon Cell simulates and stores something of infinite size, which is still multiversal alone due to it being infinite; then the Moon Cell has OTHER realms as well. So it doesn't matter if it's focus is a planet because the fact they are infinite means it requires infinite power/multiverse level to create or destroy. The Moon Cell having other infinite and finite sized realms apart from those futures as well is beyond multiversal. Then there are actual timelines as well.

BB is above time itself and can see and interact in the past, present, and future, which means she is beyond time itself (far beyond MFTL).

I did play it, and a fan translation is fine, what?

BB was always fused with the Moon Cell, but the events of her getting to it still happened. Moon Cell BB from the future simply alerted normal/base BB that she would reach the core no matter what; the main enemy was still base BB the entire game, but then you learn you could never stop her from reaching the core because it's already set in stone. If it was Moon Cell fused BB, she would've been serious the whole game (instead of being a troll) and would've had red eyes almost all the time. So once again, the universal statement was base BB.

Stop debating a game that you never played, because you're failing hard right now.