Gilgamesh and Enkidu vs SSB Vegeta and Android 17 vs BINOD

Gilgamesh is 8D to ???D he stomps fodder all verse and that “BINOD” 10/10 times.

@tekatothebeast: he isn't 8D

@ghostwarren:

Gilgamesh is plato because hes gained the power from omni shiki ryougi, his Ea was already destroying all of reality ball of moon cell in the battle, Gilgamesh is capable of flat out one shotting Moon Cell BB via Enuma Elish. When Gilgamesh plants his sword Ea into the ground, the mere spinning of it destroys the entire Moon Cell reality marble. The main argument against this feat is that "It's only a game cinematic" and "If he really destroyed the Moon Cell reality marble, why is it back after the attack is over?" To the first argument, I say that it isn't a mere cinematic because the mere spinning of Ea is stated to devour space-time and reality. To the second argument, I say that the Moon Cell's core restored its reality marble, after all, it's shown capable of doing this once Sakura takes control of the Moon Cell. Gilgamesh was fighting BB beyond time when she become 1 with Moon Cell and Moon Cell is eight dimenshions confirmed by hakuno

here is bb beyond spacetime BB after becoming the Moon Cell is described by Rin as having a higher dimensional existence and perspective where she can view and handle the past, present, and future at once, "Rin :: On the other hand, the laws of the recorded universe are different. The perception of the recorded universe is over many dimensions…think of it as a higher dimensional existence. From this higher dimension, the third dimension looks like a flat scroll. Er, if the three-dimensional world is a world drawn in a book, and then if you jumped inside the book and came out outside the book, something like that? And then you’re able to look down on any point in your past, present, and future from when you were inside the book, as a record — that’s the higher dimensional perspective. You get it? Under these circumstances, all time inside the book becomes equivalent. Since you can always turn to whatever time you want to. There’s no past or future. It’s the same as that. This is imaginary number space, a higher dimensional information space made from light. The far side of the moon is fundamentally operated according to the laws of the recorded universe, not the observed universe. We are foreign bodies…no, guests. Creatures of the the observed universe that have been thrown into the recorded universe. Whereas the Moon Cell’s Core is a concurrent world simulator where all possibilities are calculated and the past, present, and future all exist at the same time. In other words, it belongs to the recorded universe. BB has become that Moon Cell. She’s obtained a higher dimensional perspective. So — BB can handle the past and the future simultaneously." Notice from the earlier descriptions of BB's abilities that before fusing with the Moon Cell, she placed herself in "unlimited time" so she could hack the Moon Cell. So we have base BB pre-Moon Cell already in unlimited time, and Moon Cell BB existing above it, so how can Gilgamesh keep pace with BB if he is only billions of times faster than light? Simple, he can't... Moon Cell BB stated that Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh is on her level, meaning that Gilgamesh exist beyond time just like Moon Cell BB (makes sense since he existed in the Far Side in base).

here is gilgamesh power: 11D Multiversal+to Outerversal to Boundless to ???D (BB's 11D attack was not just going to destroy a omniverse , but a omniverse above platonic conceptual dimension/the Far Side, while Gilgamesh didn't seem concerned or impressed).

Speed: Immeasurable to irrelevant (exist in the Far Side and seemed ready to challenge base BB, who put herself in unlimited time).

Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh

Power: 11D multiversal level to ???D(counting the Infinite Chimeric Lunar Sea); most likely far far higher as he is 11-D since he scales to Moon Cell BB (depends on how you want to view higher dimensions in the Nasuverse).

Speed: Beyond the concept of time to Irrelevant (is on the same level of existence as Moon Cell BB, who can view and handle the past, present, and future at once like a book).

@lordballser BB is not omnipresent, she just has a perspective of time of a higher dimension. Viewing the past, present and future like a book. This doesn't make her either omnipresent of omniscient. Stop making shit up.

This perspective of time is also limited to only the Far Side of the Moon Cell, due to that being how time works there. It doesn't apply to the Near Side, much less outside of the Moon Cell. To say nothing of the entire multiverse.

She also didn't communicate with all the plants and animals of all the timelines, only to those on a single iteration of Earth.

BB placing herself in infinite time is also a meaningless feat that is just useful for conceptual stuff, it doesn't give her any powers other than being in that state. Literally its only use was to circumvent the Moon Cell's firewall.

Gilgamesh is also not capable of one-shotting the Moon Cell, he had to take Hakuno and run for the hills to space. Unlike nine-tailed Tamamo who actually kicked the crap out of the Moon Cell so hard it made it stop deleting Hakuno and completely changed its functions when it rebooted, stopping being just an observation device. Gilgamesh couldn't accomplish this, so he had to bail out. He even had to lose 90% of the contents in his vault just to destroy the rule that the Moon Cell had on banning him from entering the Near Side.

@garbs:

Gilgamesh scales to Outerversal he’s not bound by the concept of dimensions, He basically transcends BB, Amaterasu, Arcueid(Archtype Earth), and Void Shiki/Akasha as a true abstraction being.

@tekatothebeast: WTH is wrong with you.

@tekatothebeast: toribot solos with omnivastance

Mechibakura outerversal stalemates.https://m.imgur.com/a/4KhZMW6

Amaterasu is explicitly said to be impossible to defeat by anyone in the world of EXTRA aside for Arcueid. This clearly includes Gilgamesh as he most definitely already existed in the EXTRA world when Nasu made that statement.

So no, Gilgamesh doesn't transcend Amaterasu at all.

@ghostwarren:

It’s not exaggeration it’s just this character(Gilgamesh) completely trascends what this verse(Dragonball), which is still bounded by dimensions, Unlike Gilgamesh.

@garbs:

It’s not exaggeration it’s just this character(Gilgamesh) completely trascends what this character(Tamamo No Mae/Amaterasu) as a true abstraction being.

@tekatothebeast: are you an alt made to give the fate fandom/Gilgamesh fans a bad name On CV?

@garbs:

Fate/EXTRA material - Encyclopedia: Berserker (White) [Servant?], p.202

In EXTRA and CCC, she is about the only one who is “Capable of defeating Konjiki Hakumen (Golden White Face), no matter how small the chance might be.”

"about the only one", not "the only one".

It's not clear yet.

I disagree, Gilgamesh is absolutely the top tier of what a servant can be as his power serves as the basis for all other powers in his verse. Don't get me wrong, Vegeta, android 17, and BINOD are strong, but in a fight against Gilgamesh, he's in over their head. Being able to see the past and future unobstructed and being able to stop all sppedblitz and hax only gets you so far against Gilgamesh who's strongest NP is capable of destroying the entire 8D-11D Multiverses to ???. Sha Naqba Imuru is also the perfect counter to the team and BINOD as it basically makes Gilgamesh see every possible thing that his opponent could do. I believe that the two EX rank skills would cancel out in this fight though to make things fair and where does that leave us? A really Good hard-hitting match, fighting the King of all Heroes, and he's not jobbing this time.

Gilgamesh wins all matches here 10/10.

Archer Gil is the strongest.

Case Closed. This was stated by Nasu in a interview and will remain true until the end of time. This is my evidence bro, deal with it.

@lordballser:

I'm almost impressed by how many times you've completely dodged the fact that debunks your entire stance:

Moon Cell BB was defeated by a power derived from the sun. Its star level at best.

Nameless also defeated Moon Cell BB.

Lordballer and lordballser are different people clearly. Maybe someone created an alt to smear him/fate fandom?

Also lol at star level BB. Always funny to see.

Lmao. She was beaten by the power of a star while merged with the Moon Cell. Doesn't get much clearer than that.

@deagonx: K bro. You’re not worth replying seriously

@ecoblitz: I mean, yeah, blatantly denying facts isn't usually worth it.

There's no argument. Tamano's power comes from the sun but was potent enough to defeat Moon Cell BB.

@deagonx: K. Keep believing that.

@ecoblitz: Lol. You have no argument. Of course I'll keep believing it. Tamano beat Moon Cell BB. Tamano's power comes from the sun.

You cant dispute either of these facts, and if you tried it'd be trivial for me to source them.

@deagonx: k keep believing that. Lol

@garbs: you know, things likes makes you reconsider whether speculation on the nasuverse is worth the fun.

guys, for the last time. the ''gil destroyed the mooncell which is a multiversal world'' is fake. world of seraph is most certainly the size of a planet as it's replicated off earth. and even if he did destroy it, it would just make him a planet buster at best. which is nothing new, as EA was originally planet tier

Gilgamesh solo stomps. They can't even survive 1 minutes of simultaneous Gate of Babylon spam.

Lol. You have no argument. Of course I'll keep believing it. Tamano beat Moon Cell BB. Tamano's power comes from the sun.

You cant dispute either of these facts, and if you tried it'd be trivial for me to source them.

If we are not using fate extra ccc, then vegeta and android, either of them bodies.

Also if gilgamesh uses SNI, he still needs to have proper reaction speed to react to ssb vegeta and android 17.

Gilgamesh can use SNI before the speedblitz happens. Gilgamesh has immeasurable speed and he can’t be surprised. These teams gets butchered by Gates Of Babylon and they get conceptually damaged in a process.

By the way what version are we using. Fate Extra CCC Gilgamesh is like 8D and kept pace with an omnipresent being from what i heard, so if we are using that thats a horrible stomp in favour of gilgamesh but if its servant gilgamesh then he gets stomped by either ssb vegeta or android 17.

Gil solo stomps as Enuma Elish is an attack that literally tears apart reality itself(literally has destroyed platonic concepts before) . It doesn't help that Gilgamesh has all Immeasurable ranked stats (basically his stats are whatever he wants them to be) and GoB has an infinite supply of hax within it that would tear ssb vegeta, android 17, and Binod apart.

Yeah I think being specific is gonna help a lot, there’s no such thing as canon in the nasuverse.

@lordballser The Far Side of the Moon Cell does very much have time, it just works differently from the Near Side.

Rin: "Just what is it?

Do you have something you want to ask or something?"> What is 'observer space'?

Rin: "Observer space...?

Right, I did mention that.

"There's no passage of time here.

There might've still been hope if only this were a loop..."

so I’d said.

A time loop is circle of time.

The hypothesis that because you're returning to the past,

you can modify the unknown present, regardless of the known present.

But this is different from such an optimistic scenario.

Because here, the "result" can't be changed no matter what.

The Far Side of the Moon is a world made from imaginary numbers.

While the concept of time exists,

its behavior is different from that of time in the real world.

I guess I should say that it's the difference between

"perceived time" and

"chronicled time."

See, right now the present is that we're talking like this, right?

But...one, two, three.

All right. Now the me from just now...

and my statement from three seconds ago has become the "past,"

even though we're still in the middle of the "same conversation."

Basically this is the flow of time as perceived.

By our own "perceptions," humans categorize time and space

into past, present, and future.

A simple law of the observer space.

In exchange for not being able to perceive beyond the present,

one is in possession of a wobble that can change the future.

As you know, the real world and the Near Side

runs according to the laws of an observer space.

Understand everything so far?"

...More or less.

Basically our world is "time caused by perception."

From the perception of a human, the "past" is constantly being overwritten by the "present."

From the present, humans guess at the "future" that is one day to come.

In other words, we can't be aware of all three at once.

Rin: "On the other hand, the laws of the archival space are different.

Think of a archival space as existing in the higher dimensions.

From a higher dimension, 3D is like a flat fabric.

Let's see...say the 3D world is a world written in a book,

and jumping in it resulted in finding yourself outside of the book, okay?

It becomes so that you are able to see from above

your own past, present, future, in the form of records―

This is the perspective of a higher dimension.

Do you see? At that point, all time

within the book becomes equal.

After all, you can view any point in time you like

whenever you want.

There's no past or future.

It's the same as that.

This place is imaginary number space,

a high-dimension informational space formed by light.

As a rule, the Far Side follows

not the laws of the observer space,

but the laws of the archival space.

We are anomalies...no, guests.

Organisms of the observer space

thrown into a archival space.

Meanwhile, the core of the Moon Cell

simulator of parallel worlds, calculating all kinds of possibilities, past and present and future all existing at the same time.

In other words, an existence of the archival space.

That very Moon Cell is what BB became.

She gained the perspective of a higher dimension.

That's why―

BB can make use of the past and the future at the same time.

When she reached the core,

she gained the power to choose and ascertain the future.

With the inclusion of the AI called BB

the Moon Cell, which had been only the eye of god

became the brain of the god.

I don't know how many hours in the future it was,

but the important thing is that BB reached the Moon Cell.

That fact can't be changed, no matter what.

Since she became an existence of the archival space,

BB, who can travel back in time and rewind reality

must have known of "this present."

...Though it makes the head spin.

That's because the moment BB became the Moon Cell,

she could inform her past self of "this present moment."

...That's why.

BB knew from the very beginning

that we could never make it on time, no matter what."

"To chase after her so that we'd somehow manage to make it on time."

That act itself was pointless.

The result of BB reaching the Moon Cell was something that had been decided from the very beginning.

We had been fighting for the sake of losing...?

Rin: ".....That's what it is.

If you've understood, then don't say any more.

There's no way that we can win against God.

Why don't you try taking a walk around campus if you can’t settle down?

It's safe, anyways. We're basically pets kept here."

binod is featless and giga is bad 1 on 1 so android 17 solos

50/50. If Gilgamesh draws Ea, they are dead. If this is CCC Gilgamesh, he should stomp effortlessly.

@dcprose689 said:

Gilgamesh kills Tiamat by himself and inflicted the Concept of death by EA

no dude, ea cannot one shot tiamat due to the sole fact she didn't have a concept of death and it wasn't gilgamesh who inflicted the concept of death, it was King Hassan.

also GoB does not have infinite hax.