thats a tough won, but in the end i think hulk would win because he could just smash ghost rider into little tiny bone fragments. and ghostrider would have trouble hurtin him because he could just heal and get angrier and smash the living crap out of ghostrider. so hulk it is
You don't need to be "evil" for the Penance Stare to work on you, you just need to have caused death and destruction... and have a soul. Hulk fits that profile.
Hulk isn't by any means innocent, he's not exactly a killer but he leave everything he's around in shambles. If Hulk new about the Penance Stare he could just avoid eye contact, rush him and boot him across the state, or into the side of a building.
I think along Hulk's travels someone might have mentioned to him about the guy with the flaming skull and the death stare. Also, I think I've only bought like one GR title and it didn't have the penance stare. Does it KILL people or just cause them severe emotional drama? Hulk's healing factor is absurd right now, he could probably recover from anything. Plus with the new story of Hulk losing his wife and unborn child, the Penance Stare might not work at all.
They were on the same team for a while, but Hulk thinks he is rightous enough to be immune to the penance stare when he most definately is not. Hulk is not the type to avoid someone or something that might or might not hurt him.
The Penance Stare causes someone with any spiritual guilt to fall into a catatonic state, it bypasses regeneration or other forms of physical healing as it represents GR b*tchslapping the persons soul. Hulk's sins are wrath and pride... he is succeptable to the Stare.
"I think along Hulk's travels someone might have mentioned to him about the guy with the flaming skull and the death stare. Also, I think I've only bought like one GR title and it didn't have the penance stare. Does it KILL people or just cause them severe emotional drama? Hulk's healing factor is absurd right now, he could probably recover from anything. Plus with the new story of Hulk losing his wife and unborn child, the Penance Stare might not work at all. "
"I think along Hulk's travels someone might have mentioned to him about the guy with the flaming skull and the death stare. Also, I think I've only bought like one GR title and it didn't have the penance stare. Does it KILL people or just cause them severe emotional drama? Hulk's healing factor is absurd right now, he could probably recover from anything. Plus with the new story of Hulk losing his wife and unborn child, the Penance Stare might not work at all. "
I think maybe your trying to hard. GR wins."
Just food for thought. Death stare is pretty hard to beat.
"I think along Hulk's travels someone might have mentioned to him about the guy with the flaming skull and the death stare. Also, I think I've only bought like one GR title and it didn't have the penance stare. Does it KILL people or just cause them severe emotional drama? Hulk's healing factor is absurd right now, he could probably recover from anything. Plus with the new story of Hulk losing his wife and unborn child, the Penance Stare might not work at all. "
I think maybe your trying to hard. GR wins."
Just food for thought. Death stare is pretty hard to beat."
If the penance stare works, & Ghost Rider is able to get Hulk to hold still long enough (a few seconds) to execute the penance stare (not likely), then, Ghost Rider would win. Otherwise, I think it'd be a good long fight, but GR would just keep pissing the Hulk off more & more, & he'd just get stronger & more durable, & eventually, the sun would rise and Ghost Rider would revert back to Johnny Blaze ( or Dan Ketch) & then Hulk would easily SMASH.
Depends. If Hulk did something bad like kill somebody or anything like thatm then the Ghost Rider as an entity, and not just Johnny Blaze, is after him. In WWH, Doc Strange said it. If Ghost Rider was in control and actively fought the Hulk, he would win. But JB was in control and Hulk didn't do anything wrong, because he was just vengeful, so when The Ghost Rider Spirit took over, he left. So it depends on the circumstances.
And no, Hulk can't just smash Ghost Rider into tiny bone fragments.
Believe it or not (and it is hard to believe) Hulk has never actually killed an innocent person in Earth 616. If you read the story arc about Banner being on the run from a secret organization that's after his blood you can see how shaken up Banner is when he finds out that a building the Hulk brought down had a small child in it. Later you find out that it was super imposed. So Penance Stare might not have as big of an effect as you may think. I like both chars Hulk being my #1 and Ghost Rider being my #3 favorite heroes with Captain America in the middle. But I'm going to say Hulk would probably win in a legit elongated fight. He has resistance to mental attacks and I'm pretty sure Penance Stare falls into that category. On another message board someone mentioned Hulk being immune to it in the World War Hulk fight that they had which I have that comic in a trade paper back so unless something was omitted I never see that happening. But Green Scar Hulk makes fairly easy work of Ghost Rider there. And when Ghost Rider goes full power because Hulk beat all of the Johnny Blaze out of him he rides off because Hulk was not fighting innocents, nor does he spill innocent blood (he actually saves a group of civilians when Dr. Strange uses the power of Zom from a collapsing building). Even at his full power though I'm not sure he could beat the Hulk because Green Scar Hulk took out Sentry who has the power of a million exploding suns. And that's a pretty large magnitude of measurement.
Ghost Rider, not even close. Ghost Rider is more athletic, smarter and almost as strong as the hulk. Not to mention his range attacks will keep Hulk from doing any challenge. And then of course, there's penance stare. And for those who think the Hulk doesn;t have guilt, of course he does. He's killed plenty of people (unintentionally) and cost people millions in damage.
The only way Hulk can win is through BFR. Otherwise, he will be unable to even do any real damage to Ghost Rider because he doesn't have any holy or unholy means of attack.
ok yes hulk has guilt but he isnt an intentional sinner he does what he does to survive not for his own selfish gain so the penance stare doesnt work and ghost rider is no where near as strong as the hulk being the fact that hulks strength is virtually limitiless and hes only faster when hes on his bike and intelligence really doesnt play a big factor because hulk has beaten spider man and mr fantastic both of which have genuis level intelligence and as for athletism imagine hulk playing a game of foot ball you really dont get much more athletic than that
As I recall, when Johnny Blaze turns into the Ghost Rider in WWH there's this huge explosion, and the Hulk screams in agony, the page after the Hulk appears fine, but in the page where he creates the explosion he clearly is creating enough heat to at least put the Hulk at some discomfort. This being said WWH is the strongest incarnation of the Hulk. And if the Ghost Rider merely emerging, and using a small portion of his power to remove the rubble from his body generates enough heat and force to put the Hulk at some discomfort, then if he actually unloads the Hulk is definitely going to be in a lot of trouble. Now I hear talk of "Is this Johnny Blaze, or the Ghost Rider, because the Ghost Rider doesn't fight the innocent". However, this forum clearly states Hulk vs the Ghost Rider, so regardless of whether or not the Hulk is innocent isn't an issue, the fact is somehow Ghost Rider has decided he wants to fight Hulk. Even without the Penance Stare, Ghost Rider would incinerate the Hulk, or wrap a chain around his neck and drag him to hell if he has to. Ghost Rider is way out of the Hulk's league.
to the best of my knoweledge hulk has never won againt GR and techinically should never win. If you are talking about WWH he fought Gr, the spirit of vengence took over and he left , that's not really a victory!
He's beaten Hulk with no effort in the past by simply burning away the oxygen around Hulk.
WWHulk never beat Ghost Rider. He was having problems with a restricted powered Ghost Rider, where Johnny was in control; which dramatically decreases the power of what the Rider is truly capable of. Hulk can only contend with a Johnny possessed Rider, and even than has been defeated in the past by a Johnny possessed Rider.
Hell Fire works great on the Hulk, Penance Stare isn't needed.
Sadly Hulk loses.. I wish you didn't pick the original hulk, maybe World Breaker or WWH? :|... Some variant of Hulk that could possibly beat GR?.... Whatever.
Sad to say, no Hulk can beat Ghost Rider (including World Breaker or WWH). Hulk has no answer to putting down Ghost Rider nor does he have any defenses for Hell Fire. Ghost Rider has multiple ways of winning, Hulk... I can't even think of one, even it was BFR.
Sad to say, no Hulk can beat Ghost Rider (including World Breaker or WWH). Hulk has no answer to putting down Ghost Rider nor does he have any defenses for Hell Fire. Ghost Rider has multiple ways of winning, Hulk... I can't even think of one, even it was BFR.
@Suiken_Seiji: You're probably right.. Even if hulk had the endurance and strength and if penance stare did not effect him.. I have the feeling it would end up as a stalemate or GR winning. Sorry Hulk, :(((
@Suiken_Seiji: You're probably right.. Even if hulk had the endurance and strength and if penance stare did not effect him.. I have the feeling it would end up as a stalemate or GR winning. Sorry Hulk, :(((
That is correct because you see no one heals as fast as ghost rider, it has been said that only god can kill a rider (i can post scans if you like). so winning by physical means is almost out of the question because ghost rider would just heal instantly or even fight without being stopped (Gr has fought while his head was cut off and was able to regenerate the head once the fight ended).
the other option is BFR which hulk might technically pull a win, he could grab the ghost rider and throw him into space or somewhere else. That's hulks only option :)
Ghost rider on the other hand has various options so yeah GR all the way !!
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