Geralt (Witcher 3) vs Guts (Berserk)

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I'm surprised no one has thought of this yet.

It's Demon-Slaying Specialist vs Monster-Slaying Specialist! Who takes the win?

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Round One: Pre-Berserker Armor Guts (with Dragonslayer and full arsenal)

Round Two: Berserker Armor activated (might be a stomp, if it is, just ignore it)

Current Geralt

No prep, no knowledge, both going for the kill. Guts is alone.

Fight takes place in a castle.

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Guts Slaughterhouse

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#3  Edited By Eggnogui

Guts Slaughterhouse

You think so? I dunno, a single well thrown Sign could the Guts's demise, though I agree Geralt has a near-impossible fight in his hands.

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Guts bifurcate

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What can Guts do?

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I haye these threads guts is fing anime, geralt is a gritty realistic character

I'm calling missmatch

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@serpinethegreen: Yes the white haired, cat eyed, 100 year old mutant who has sex with a witch a top a unicorn sure is the definition of gritty and realistic.

OT: I'm not far enough within 3 to say for sure, but as of 2, guts wins.

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Guts wins with super duper sword powers

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Guts is way too fast.

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@skit: he isn't one hundred but that isn't the point

What makes something realistic is if it makes sense, or at least sense on there own world

Guts doesn't

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@eggnogui: Geralt has no chance in this battle, here is a link to a respect thread for Guts, once you see the scans you will understand why Geralt dies horribly.

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@serpinethegreen: He is, it said he was 95 in the last book. The games take place a few years after his death in the books. Even by in game time line it said the place geralt was turned into a witcher was destroyed 60 or so years before the game iirc.

Berserk has just as much inhuman stuff going on it's world.

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@skit: that's not the point I'm making

Geralt is despite being enhanced he's still killable by the town defences we're taking a couple of organised men

Guts kills one hundred men while whistling which is just retarded

The witcher is grounded in a almost "believable reality" but guts isn't

He carries a freaking buster sword rip off and "claims" to he a normal human

It's stupid anime logic

Where if it looks or sounds cool then it's in despite being stupid

I mean come one one hundred men?

What makes guts so bloody special he can beat one hundred trained men?

Geralt who's far more trained than guts should ever be wouldn't stand a chance against one hundred men

For one thing in witcher people aren't so stupid they do the same thing over and over and over again and practically run into the big as sword.

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@eggnogui: Geralt has no chance in this battle, here is a link to a respect thread for Guts, once you see the scans you will understand why Geralt dies horribly.

Oh I am fully aware of those, I just think that gameplay Geralt is extremely nerfed since it is stated the mutations give him and the other witchers low levels of superhuman/peak human capability, and Guts has no counter against Signs, remember? So Geralt has a way to kill Guts, though I'll settle for agreeing it is probably nearly impossible.

@skit: that's not the point I'm making

Geralt is despite being enhanced he's still killable by the town defences we're taking a couple of organised men

Guts kills one hundred men while whistling which is just retarded

The witcher is grounded in a almost "believable reality" but guts isn't

He carries a freaking buster sword rip off and "claims" to he a normal human

It's stupid anime logic

Where if it looks or sounds cool then it's in despite being stupid

I mean come one one hundred men?

What makes guts so bloody special he can beat one hundred trained men?

Geralt who's far more trained than guts should ever be wouldn't stand a chance against one hundred men

For one thing in witcher people aren't so stupid they do the same thing over and over and over again and practically run into the big as sword.

My friend, that is the downside of the "human doing the impossible" trope. The peak of badassery, but it is so easy to play it poorly and take away its realism. And it is not "stupid anime logic", I've seen it in westerns aswell. In fact, I've taken to call it "Batman syndrome" since he was the first character I've read that despite being a 100% unaltered human, like Guts, he does things you simply shouldn't be able to do, period. Not hating on Batman, simply making a point.

And FYI, the "one hundred men" feat is not even close to the best ones he has :P

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@eggnogui: it was the fact he's a man and they're men and each man should be around equal to him

If we use other creatures like trolls it's more dissmissable

We could just assume that humans are more skilled or stronger (however unlikely)

But the fact he kicks the crap out if his own race is what really shows it up the most.

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Guts SLAUGHTERS.

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This is a sad spite and immensely unfair battle.

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#18  Edited By Eggnogui

Jesus, fine, I got the message, its a stomp. Shouldn't have made this. Probably should've gone with Geralt vs Talion or a non-mage Dragonborn or something.

Sorry :(

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#19  Edited By Devil_Driver

@eggnogui: It's not that big of a deal man, I really enjoy the Witcher series and Geralt is a cool character I haven't yet had time to sit down and play the new game but I have picked it up and am looking forward to it.

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I'm going Geralt mainly due to his ability to cast spells and having experience in fighting monsters of similar caliber to the Apostles Guts faces. The fact that Geralt can accomplish the same feats without the armor proves to me how great of a swordsman he is.

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@eggnogui said:
@devil_driver said:

Guts Slaughterhouse

You think so? I dunno, a single well thrown Sign could the Guts's demise, though I agree Geralt has a near-impossible fight in his hands.

The Sorcerer took a step back. Geralt tensed, ready to pounce and deliver a blow. But Vilgefortz did not raise his hand, he stretched it a little to one side. Suddenly, in his hand, materialized a thick staff, about six feet long.

‘I know,’ he said. ‘what bothers you in a reasonable assessment of a situation. I know it is complicated and difficult to predict the future, your right. This is your arrogance, Geralt. I’ll undo your arrogance. I’ll undo it with this wand here.’

The witcher narrowed his eyes, lifting his blade slightly.

‘I tremble with anticipation.’

Some weeks later, cured thanks to the efforts of the Dryads and the water of Brokilon forest, Geralt reflected on the mistakes made during the fight. He came to the conclusion that he had not made any. The only error he committed was before the fight. He should have fled before the fighting began.

The Sorcerer was fast, the wand in his hand flashed like lightning. Greater was the astonishment of Geralt, when the wand rang against his sword. But there was no time to wonder. Vilgefortz attacked, the witcher had to dodge and squirm in evasion. He was afraid of parrying with his sword. The wand was made of iron and magic.

Four times he found himself in a position to counter attack and strike. Four times he struck a blow. In the head, neck, arm and in the thigh. Each of the blows would be fatal. But each was parried.

No man would be able to parry those blows. Geralt started to understand little by little. But it was too late.

He saw the blow that the sorcerer struck him. The impact threw him against the wall. He pushed with his back, failed to make a jump, to make a feint, the stroke had deprived him of breath. He received a second hit in the shoulder, flew back again, hitting his head against the pillar, against the chest of a caryatid. Vilgefortz turned away in a deft leap, he waved his stick and punched him in the stomach, below the ribs. Hard. Geralt doubled over and was struck on the side of the head. His knees weakened below him suddenly and he fell. And that was the end of the fight. In essence.

Clumsily he tried to shield himself with his sword. The blade pierced the wall and the pilaster, he erupted in a groan vibrant and clear. He protected his head with his right hand, the staff fell and broke his forearm. The pain blinded him completely.

‘I could ruin your brain through your ears.’ Vilgefortz said from far away. ‘But this is a lesson. You made a mistake, witcher. You have confused the surface of a pond as the sky with stars at night. Oh, did you vomit? Good. Brain injury. Do you bleed from the nose? Great. So, I’ll see you. Someday. Maybe.’

He saw nothing and heard nothing. Sinking, sinking into something warm. He thought that Vilgefortz had gone. He was surprised, then, when his leg felt the vengeance of the iron wand, shattering his femur.

Any following blows, even if they occurred, he could not remember.

Skilled fighters give shit about Sign. Love level magic is not even that good in combat.

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Well, Guts did kill 100 armored men pretty easily... could Geralt do that?

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@redzkz: man, dahell did Geralt fight? He didn't even try to use a Sign in that fight. Are they that weak? Or maybe takes too long to cast? The games make it more useful than it actually is then.

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@redzkz: man, dahell did Geralt fight? He didn't even try to use a Sign in that fight. Are they that weak? Or maybe takes too long to cast? The games make it more useful than it actually is then.

You decide. This is the final fight against main villain of novels, Geralt only won because he had one of world's seven greatest swords and hax amulet. Not a single user used sign, instead they stick to magic:

Under the archway stood Vilgefortz.

'I'm impressed,' he said quietly. 'I'm really impressed, witcher. You are hopelessly naive and stupid, but your technique is really impressive.'

'Your underlings,' Yennefer said calmly, 'just took off and left you. Give us Ciri and we'll leave you alone.'

'You know, Yennefer,' sneered the wizard, 'that is the second generous offer I've had today? Thank you, thank you. And here is my answer …'

'Look out!' Yennefer screamed and jumped. Geralt also jumped to the side at the last minute. A pillar of fire roared from the wizard's hands and burst through the place Geralt stood a moment before, hissing and burning the area. The witcher wiped soot and the charred remains of an eyebrow from his face. He saw Vilgefortz again raise his hand. He dodged and ducked behind a column. The boom popped his ears. The whole castle shook on its foundations.

....

A thunderous noise, a flash and the column from where they were hiding a moment before, crumbled apart. The core broke; the decorated column crashed to the floor and crushed a terracotta mosaic. From the side flew a hissing ball of lightning. Yennefer stopped it, uttering spells and gesturing.

Vilgefortz walked towards them, his cloak billowing out behind him like dragon wings.

‘I’m not surprised by Yennefer,’ he said walking. ‘She is a woman, so she is evolutionarily lower and ruled by her hormones. But you, however, Geralt, you’re not only a man who is inherently reasonable, but a mutant, exempt from emotions …’

He gestured. Thunder. A flash. Lightning rebounded from Yennefer’s shield.

‘But despite your better judgement,’ continued Vilgefortz, passing fire from one hand to another, ‘you demonstrate a remarkable consistency and know nothing. You constantly want to paddle against the current and piss into the wind. It had to end badly. Know that today, here; in castle Stygga, you have pissed into a hurricane.’

....

The stone walls trembled, beams cracked and glass poured from lead frames.

‘Watch out, Geralt!’

He dodged again at the last minute. Brilliant lightning ploughed a furrow in the ground, the air hissed with colour, murderously sharp fragments from broken windows. Lightning hit the column, behind which the witcher hid. The column broke up into three parts. It broke from the roof and collapsed to the floor with a deafening crash.

Geralt, lying flat on the floor, his head cupped in his hands, was aware of how miserable a shield this was from the falling debris. He prepared for the worst, but nothing happened. He jumped up and could see the glow of a magical shield around him, he realised Yennefer’s magic had saved him.

Vilgefortz threw a bolt of lightning at the other column behind which the sorceress was hiding. He roared furiously and a cloud of dust and smoke appeared. Yennefer deftly slipped between them and retaliated with her own flash of lightning, which bounced off of the wizard with no visible effect. He answered with a crushing blow that knocked Yennefer to the ground.

Geralt wiped the dust from his eyes and attacked. Vilgefortz turned his eyes towards him and pointed his arm, and from his hands roared fire. The witcher instinctively swung his sword. The dwarven blade, covered with runes, shielded him and but the stream of fire in half.

‘Ha!’ roared Vilgefortz. ‘Impressive, witcher! What do you say to this!’

The witcher said nothing. He was hit by an invisible battering ram, flew backwards, fell on the floor and slid until he found the base of a buttress. A pillar flew apart and again tumbled from the roof. This time he did not have Yennefer’s protection. The heavy carved block struck him in the side, fortunately, not fully, but even so it hurt and completely paralysed him.

Yennefer chanted spells and threw them at Vilgefortz one after another. However, none of them hit, and they all bounced harmless off of the wizard’s magical shield. Vilgefortz suddenly spread his arms wide. Yennefer wailed in pain and started rising from the ground. The wizard clapped his hands together and his fingers started to shake and if squeezing a wet rag. The sorceress cried shrilly. And started to squirm.

Geralt clenched his teeth in pain and rose to return to the fight. But he was overtaken by Regis.

The vampire came flying from out of nowhere in the shape of a giant bat and rushed at Vilgefortz quietly. Before the sorcerer could raise a protection spell, Regis attacked his face with his claws; he missed the eye because it was so unnaturally small. Vilgefortz yelled and waved his arms in surprise. Yennefer freed from the spell, fell with a scream of surprise into a pile of rubble, blood spurting from her mouth and down her chin and breasts.

Geralt was already close. He raised Sihil ready to deal a blow. But Vilgefortz had no intention of surrendering. He pushed the witcher with a powerful surge of energy and attacked the vampire with a dazzling white beam, which passed through a stone pillar like a hot knife through butter. Regis deftly evaded the beam and returned to his usual form. He materialised at Geralt’s side.

‘Be careful,’ the witcher grunted, trying to discern what was wrong with Yennefer. ‘Be careful, Regis …’

‘Be careful?’ said the vampire. ‘I? That’s not why I came here!’

With an incredibly long and fast leap he reached the wizard and grabbed him by the throat. His vampire fangs glistened.

Vilgefortz scream with rage and terror. For a brief moment, it appeared this was the end of him. But it was premature. The wizard had an arsenal of weapons for every occasion. And against every opponent – even vampires.

The wizard hands grasped Regis and heated up like red hot irons. The vampire screamed. Geralt also cried out, seeing that the wizard was literally tearing the vampire. He jumped to his friend’s aid. But was too late. Vilgefortz pushed the vampire into a column, with both of his hands burning with white fire.

Regis screamed.

He screamed so loud that the witcher had to cover his ears with his hands. The remains of the windows shattered noisily. The column simply melted. And the vampire melted with it, turning into a shapeless stone.

Geralt cursed furiously and desperately. He jumped forward and swung Sihil. The wizard turned and hit him with magical energy. The witcher flew the entire length of the hall, hit a wall on the other side and slid down it.

He lay there gasping for air, like a fish out of water, wondering not what was broken, but what was whole.

Vilgefortz walked towards him. In his hand materialised a six-foot-long iron rod.

‘I could reduce you to ashes with a spell,’ he said. ‘Or I could melt you into a glassy mass, as I did with that monster. But you, witcher, you deserve a different death. In combat. Maybe not a fair fight, but still.’

Geralt did not believe he could stand up. But he did. He spat blood from his cut lip. He gripped his sword tighter.

‘In Thanedd,’ said Vilgefortz, approaching him, twirling the rod, ‘I settled for giving you a beating, in moderation, to serve as a lesson. But I can see that you have not learned anything, this time the beating with be thorough and I will not leave a healthy bone in your body. Nobody will be able to put you back together again.’

He attacked. Geralt did not try to escape. He accepted the fight.

The rod flashed and whirled, spinning around the sorcerer. Both opponents dodged around each other in a deadly dance. The rod flicked like lightning. Geralt managed to parry the hammering blow. Vilgefortz skilfully deflected. Each time steel meet steel it groaned pitifully.

The wizard was quick and nimble like a demon.

Geralt was fooled by a swing at his torso and a mock punch from the left – the opposite end of the stick hit him n the ribs. Before the witcher could get his wind back, he received a strong blow to the hip that almost knocked him down. He dodged a blow to the top of his head, but did not escape the stab at his stomach. He was thrown against the wall. He had enough presence of mind to fall to the floor. Just at the moment, the iron rod brushed his hair and it slammed into the wall raising sparks.

Geralt rolled; the rod drew sparks from the ground right next to his head. A second blow came and hit his shoulder. The shock sent numbing pain and weakness down his legs. The wizard raised the rod. His eyes burned in triumph.

Geralt clenched his fist around Fringilla’s medallion.

The rod fell. It struck the floor, a few inches from the witcher’s head. Geralt rolled to the side and quickly got up on one knee. Vilgefortz jumped after him and swung again. Again he missed by inches.

He shook his head unable to believe his eyes. He hesitated a moment. Then sighed, realising what was happening. His eyes twinkled and he leapt and swung his magical weapon. But it was too late.

Geralt quickly slashed him across the stomach. Vilgefortz screamed, dropped the rod and took a few steps backwards. The witcher followed. Kicked him between the stumps of two columns and slashed his sword in a wide arc diagonally across the wizard’s torso to his collarbone. Drawing blood.

The wizard screamed and fell to his knees. He lowered his head and look at his chest and abdomen. For a long time he could not look away from what he saw.

Geralt calmly waited with Sihil raised, ready to strike.

Vilgefortz lifted his head and wailed shrilly.

‘Geraaaaaalt …!’

The witcher did not let him finish.

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@redzkz: really cool read. And I've concluded that game Geralt is way more OP than book Geralt. Or the enemies are OP in the books.

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I make a geralt vs Anakin battle with no magic r force abilities and only swords kill and that gets banned, but stuff like this where it it obvious spite gets left unlocked ?

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Half way done through 3, don't think there is a single thing Geralt can do to kill or permanently injure Guts. And if Geralt lived in the Berserkverse he would die horribly.

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Guts stomps

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Guts both Rounds.

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Mismatch. Geralt is "true peak" with a little extra from his second round of mutations. He isn't "Batgod". Closer to MCU Steve Rogers if Rogers was 91 and training since early childhood. Signs are good in a pinch, but they're not op at all. Real mages from the Witcher universe consider them "parlor tricks".

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Guts both rounds

also bump

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@serpinethegreen: you know that guts is the original guy with a big sword right? Clouds Buster sword was inspired by guts dragonslayer. It's the same with artorias from dark souls.

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Geralt FTW after a long fight

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Guts stomp with or without berserker armor

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Geralt then and now

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Guts comfortably beats him.

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Guts loses in good fight. It's obvious that no one here has actually any info on Geralt of Rivia.

Guts is definitely physically stronger. He is also better armored and has a cannon hand with grenades. Despite all his feats however he is still a human. He isn't THAT fast. If regular humans can spar with him. And he never easily beaten 100 men alone. You all forget that during one part Casca was drawing away a lot of soldiers and some later even ran after her. Manga contradicts itself in this situation. Not to mention he put himself on the edge.

Geralt is faster for sure (regular humans basically have no chance EVEN the skilled ones) he fights with monster who are arguably more dangerous than most of apostles. AND he has magic. He can cast mind rape Guts, burn him to crisp, trap him or telekinetically push him few good meters away.

I think that most people here are brainwashed by manga. Because if you watched/read Berserk you would know that Guts has speed/reflexes within human possibilites. Geralt doesn't.

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Guts easily

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@anakon4: Guts has better speed feats than Geralt, dramatically better strength feats, is far more durable and just as skilled. Defeating 100 soldiers was done by a much younger and weaker version of Guts - he didn’t even have the Dragonslayer at that point, and it’s still far outside of what Geralt is capable of. Which regular human has stood a chance of defeating Guts since The Golden Age?

Signs are Geralts only chance, but Axii is useless. The remaining signs could tip the battle in Geralts favour, I agree, but chances are that Geralt is already dead by the time he gets the chance to use them.

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#41  Edited By anakon4

@kingcrimson: Proof he is faster? Proof he is dramatically stronger? Because Geralt wrestled with beings far stronger than humans, blocked hits from someone who has comparable strength to Guts and regularly wipes humans with one punch. Axii useless? Do you have any proof that Dragonslayer or Berserk armor has mind manipulation defences? If not then you have no argument.

As I said before Guts never single handedly beaten 100 men he had Casca help him. And even if he wasn't in his prime he was fairly close to it. Pre Dragonslayer Guts was already going toe and toe with Zod who is one of top Apostles. That's not that far behind Black Swordsman Arc skill.

And no Guts is definitely not faster. You are just making that up. And Geralt is no human so I dont understand why you are asking when regular human stood chance against him. And actually Serpico actually was doing pretty well against him.

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@anakon4:

Proof he is faster?

  • Reacts to supersonic attacks from Rosine
  • Swings his oversized sword too fast to see and create a blade-wind with Bascogne
  • Fast enough to appear like a literal tornado when cutting down demons

They're just the ones I have saved to my laptop. He's also blitzed some Bakiraka who were pretty much FTE, has plenty more FTE feats himself and is also capable of moving to intercept crossbow bolts from a fair distance rather than just deflecting them, and that's without the amp the Berserker armour gives him.

Proof he is dramatically stronger? Because Geralt wrestled with beings far stronger than humans, blocked hits from someone who has comparable strength to Guts and regularly wipes humans with one punch.

  • Cuts through the heavily armoured Bascogne AND his heavily armoured horse with one swing.
  • Cuts through a guy in bulky plate armour and smashes the stone pillar behind him.
  • Cuts through another armoured guy and his horse with a one handed swing.
  • Cuts through a fiend sized monster and knocked it through a stone wall with a swing.
  • Creates air pressure with his strikes.

Geralt is woefully outclassed in strength.

Axii useless? Do you have any proof that Dragonslayer or Berserk armor has mind manipulation defences? If not then you have no argument.

It has nothing to do with the Dragonslayer or Berserker Armour - it would still be useless if Guts was naked and unarmed. Axii can be resisted by force of will, and Guts survived the Eclipse through sheer willpower. He's seen and been through more than anything even hinted at in the Witcherverse -- Axii isn't doing anything to him, not that Geralt ever uses it in combat anyway.

As I said before Guts never single handedly beaten 100 men he had Casca help him.

A distinction without a difference. At max, 4 people followed Casca that I recall and she downed at best 3 fighters. That's still 93 people that Guts killed, not including Samson.

And even if he wasn't in his prime he was fairly close to it. Pre Dragonslayer Guts was already going toe and toe with Zod who is one of top Apostles. That's not that far behind Black Swordsman Arc skill.

Guts got mauled by Zodd in the Golden Age. Griffith saved his life and he also got smoked. He also had one hell of a time against Wyald in the Golden Age. From the Hill of Swords fight he was pretty much Zodd's equal and was capable of fighting apostles on even footing and winning. He wasn't close to his prime in The Golden Age.

And no Guts is definitely not faster. You are just making that up. And Geralt is no human so I dont understand why you are asking when regular human stood chance against him. And actually Serpico actually was doing pretty well against him.

It honestly doesn't matter if Geralt is human or not, the fact is his feats don't measure up to Guts.

Serpico picked 2 fights with Guts in very specific locations which gave him the best chance of winning by significantly nerfing Guts ability to fight, and he still lost.

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@anakon4: Geralt isn't winning jack. Read up on Guts.

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Guts is a lightning timer he is stomping

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@kingcrimson: Speed feats for Guts you showed are meh. FIrst picture doesn't prove supersonic speed or at least it isn't clear. Second picture shows that human Boscogne was having the same speed as Guts and te third one is PIS. Also from what I know of him he tends to rather take the hit rather than risking he dies by trying to dodge it.

You are arguing with feats that are breaking laws of character or are not faster than Geralt.

1) About the Axii. Surviving the Eclipse has nothing to do with mental resistance against magic. It just means Guts isn't weak minded. Several other people were during the Eclipse doing fine as well. Axii affects people with strong will and even the Witchers. Only one who can resist is wizard or some really powerful being. And Geralt uses it even on multiple people at once.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111235159/5492540-av.png

2) Speed and Reflexes

Geralt cuts twenty men in blink of an eye PRE prime.

http://i.imgur.com/bG9kXnW.png

Deflects crossbow bolt

http://i.imgur.com/C404bFh.png

Dodges monster that has superhuman strength and speed and can speedblitz regular humans and fights with morals on.

http://i.imgur.com/Sn6Hs5A.gifv

http://i.imgur.com/QhcJBOK.gifv

3) Strength

Throws werewolf into the fire. Judging by the size it must weight at least 500-600 pounds.

http://i.imgur.com/gklfXmA.jpg

Now since you are counting PIS feats I am throwing one in too. He pulls a Dragon head fully back. This means he wasnt only pulling the head alone but also had to deal with Dragon resisting it. This would mean he is at least 5-10 tons level strength.

http://i.imgur.com/P81MKsp.gifv

Lifts and uses Imlerith's Mace which is after him being in a long fight and being choked. Judging by the size of the weapon it is just a bit lighter than Dragonslayer.

http://i.imgur.com/wPtyyQK.gifv

Blockes and moves aside the same weapon. Worth to mention that the opponent can wield it and use it with one hand.

http://i.imgur.com/FKOD5k5.gifv

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@cergic said:

@anakon4: Geralt isn't winning jack. Read up on Guts.

I actually have a lot of info on him. His feats are either superhuman on street level or are inconsistent with the character.

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Speed feats for Guts you showed are meh. FIrst picture doesn't prove supersonic speed.

If you'd actually read the series you'd know Rosine was capable of supersonic rushes:

Second picture shows that human Boscogne was having the same speed as Guts

So?

and the third one is PIS.

How? Guts is consistent portrayed as FTE and incredibly fast. The BA increases his speed even further, all of which is mentioned several times.

You are arguing with feats that are breaking laws of character or are not faster than Geralt.

None of those feats are inconsistent, and all of them are as fast or faster than Geralt. Guts only has one inconsistent speed feat and I haven't brought it up.

Surviving the Eclipse has nothing to do with mental resistance against magic. It just means Guts isn't weak minded. Several other people were during the Eclipse doing fine as well.

What? Everybody died and the only other person who survived it went insane. Casca's brain turned to mush, but Guts deals with it every day. He has incredible mental fortitude.

Axii affects people with strong will and even the Witchers.

Show me. Show me Geralt using it in battle or it working on somebody with decent willpower. It doesn't work to its full effect on Witcher's, Geralt almost never uses Axii in anything other than conversation, and Guts has willpower and mental strength above anybody in Witcherverse that I can recall.

Geralt cuts twenty men in blink of an eye PRE prime.

http://i.imgur.com/bG9kXnW.png

Obviously hyperbole and happens off screen. Decent feat, but doesn't put him near Guts.

Deflects crossbow bolt

http://i.imgur.com/C404bFh.png

Guts can not only do this, but can also pretty much outrace crossbow bolts:

Dodges monster that has superhuman strength and speed and can speedblitz regular humans and fights with morals on.

http://i.imgur.com/Sn6Hs5A.gifv

http://i.imgur.com/QhcJBOK.gifv

Dodging a Striga isn't that impressive of a feat. Certainly doesn't put him anywhere close to Guts.

Throws werewolf into the fire. Judging by the size it must weight at least 500-600 pounds.

http://i.imgur.com/gklfXmA.jpg

That's a very high number to be throwing around. I'd say it looks closer to 400. In any case, good strength feat, but doesn't put him above Guts. A rough estimate for the weight of the Dragonslayer will give you a similar weight and Guts wields that with one hand and astonishing ease.

Now since you are counting PIS feats I am throwing one in too. He pulls a Dragon head fully back. This means he wasnt only pulling the head alone but also had to deal with Dragon resisting it. This would mean he is at least 5-10 tons level strength.

http://i.imgur.com/P81MKsp.gifv

How did you arrive at those numbers can I ask?

Also, I haven't used any PIS feats. If I was to use PIS showings, I'd say Guts dodged lightning and he blitzes Geralt:

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Lifts and uses Imlerith's Mace which is after him being in a long fight and being choked. Judging by the size of the weapon it is just a bit lighter than Dragonslayer.

http://i.imgur.com/wPtyyQK.gifv

Good feat, but it pretty much shows Geralt isn't as strong as Guts. You said yourself it should be lighter than the Dragonslayer and he doesn't wield it with anywhere close to the ease that Guts does the DS.

Blockes and moves aside the same weapon. Worth to mention that the opponent can wield it and use it with one hand.

http://i.imgur.com/FKOD5k5.gifv

Good feat, and the only really relevant strength feat given for Geralt that shows he wouldn't get immediately bounced by Guts. But still, Guts has far better strength and speed feats than Imlerith.

Nothing you've shown changes that Guts is faster and stronger than Geralt.

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@kingcrimson:

So?

So it means that it was still fast within human possibilities. Geralt is stated to be faster than human. Just because regular soldiers though the fight was fast doesn't mean it was superhuman speed.

How? Guts is consistent portrayed as FTE and incredibly fast. The BA increases his speed even further, all of which is mentioned several times.

Problem with FTE is that people have unrealistic believes of it. It basically means the speed when people can't perceive you. In order to be able to move few meters without person really seeing you it would mean that you are moving with speed of mach 3 more or less as people can see up to 1000 FPS. This woud mean that Guts is a bullet timer which is not possible as he is human. With Berserk Armor? Ok fine maybe. Without? It's a PIS. If he was that fast he would kill everyone in Falconia within few minutes. And adding that to a paradox that he was fighting with someone of supersonic speed is funny because that person has speed of like 33% of Guts's real speed. You need to get your facts right. By this logic Geralt is invisible in any combat situation to humans as well. FTE doesn't say much as it's too general term. It's basically street level speed if we are talking using comicbook logic.

None of those feats are inconsistent, and all of them are as fast or faster than Geralt. Guts only has one inconsistent speed feat and I haven't brought it up.

This only supports what I wrote above. If he only daily basis does feats when humans have no idea what's going on visually and literally can't see him because of that then he is a regular bullet timer. But then againt it contradict's this main idea behind Guts being "human pushed to his limits". If you actually tried to understand Guts's character (this is flashed out better in manga than TV but it's still there) you would know that he is supposed to be human who is honing his skill through practice and experience. One thing is to wield large pieces of iron and swing it and second is to practice being invisible.

What? Everybody died and the only other person who survived it went insane. Casca's brain turned to mush, but Guts deals with it every day. He has incredible mental fortitude.

Casca knew Griffith's for longer time and presumably has stronger bond with him and even though it's sexist she is a woman which means she is more vulnerable to mental breakdown. And if you haven't noticed it was she who was being ''molested''. Pippin and Judas were fighting and would continue if not overwhelmed. And they seemed pretty fine to me the whole time.

Show me. Show me Geralt using it in battle or it working on somebody with decent willpower. It doesn't work to its full effect on Witcher's,

I already sent the picture you just didn't bother to click on it. It was right below the Axii text.

Geralt almost never uses Axii in anything other than conversation, and Guts has willpower and mental strength above anybody in Witcherverse that I can recall.

Just because he can look on demons without crying? Or because he had tough life? Compared to life Geralt has it's a walk through paradise.

Obviously hyperbole and happens off screen. Decent feat, but doesn't put him near Guts.

Oh so we are only counting PIS feats when it suits you right?

Guts can not only do this, but can also pretty much outrace crossbow bolts

Oh I though't he was supposed to be between super and hypersonic speed according to your previous posts. Why didn't he run to her pick her up took her out of the forest and returned within 2-3 seconds?

Dodging a Striga isn't that impressive of a feat. Certainly doesn't put him anywhere close to Guts.

Because you don't know how fast are these beasts supposed to be.

That's a very high number to be throwing around. I'd say it looks closer to 400. In any case, good strength feat, but doesn't put him above Guts. A rough estimate for the weight of the Dragonslayer will give you a similar weight and Guts wields that with one hand and astonishing ease.

There is a difference between just wielding a weapon and actively using it. Guts in most of the cases uses BOTH hands while fighting.

How did you arrive at those numbers can I ask?

Also, I haven't used any PIS feats. If I was to use PIS showings, I'd say Guts dodged lightning and he blitzes Geralt

Well that head belongs to something what has to weight at least half of blue whale. So he is pulling resist head of something what weights 70 tons at least.

Well guess what? I have that too.

"The witcher struck with the speed and force of a lightning bolt..."

- The Last Wish

Good feat, but it pretty much shows Geralt isn't as strong as Guts. You said yourself it should be lighter than the Dragonslayer and he doesn't wield it with anywhere close to the ease that Guts does the DS.

Dragonslayer is weapon of paradox. Mathematically it weights around 220 pounds and according to wiki almost twice of it. Which doesn't make sense. And Guts was supposed to be like 6 feet 3 inches and then a friend of mine told me that in guide book he has suddenly became like 6 feet and 8 inches. A grown man, breaking laws of nature. Guts is one of the most unrealistic, overpowered, covered gary stu of all time.

Nothing you've shown changes that Guts is faster and stronger than Geralt.

Nothing you've shown changes you didn't prove it so far. As far as speed goes Geralt can replicate pretty much everything you shown. Humans and Elves (who have better reflexes than humans) never see what's going on with Geralt and he has no problem blocking, parrying, dodging multiple attacks coming at him at once. He blocks arrows, bolts and in the games he can even redirect arrow back to the archer which would mean he is even faster.

Not to mention he can drug himself with potions and poison his weapon. He is fast and strong enough to kill Guts without Berserk armor and 100% good enough to get a scratch on him.