Geralt of Rivia [Witcher] Vs Zodd the Immortal [Berserk]

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Poll Geralt of Rivia [Witcher] Vs Zodd the Immortal [Berserk] (20 votes)

Geralt 20%
Nosferatu Zodd 50%
Ends in sex 40%
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- Geralt has feats from the books and the games

Who wins?

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its hard, but i think geralt should take this

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I'm not sure what a win condition for Geralt would look like. Sure, it's possible to kill high-end apostles, but they possess incredible regenerative abilities, with Zodd himself casually reattaching both his arms after having them severed by Guts and Griffith. He also heals almost instantly from any wounds inflicted on his body, so Geralt's options in inflicting lasting damage to him are extremely limited.

This is completely ignoring the conventional stats like strength, speed, skill, etc. Geralt is clearly superhuman, but my impression of him is that he's still far from invincible against ordinary foes, capable of being felled by the blade of the common man under certain circumstances. Guts, by contrast, is a level of superhuman that leaves the chances of a regular person defeating him at basically zero. The hundred-man-slayer feat is one which I do not see Geralt replicating, and that was before Guts' abilities grew immensely and he gained the Dragonslayer sword, which he swings around casually at faster-than-eye speeds whereas Geralt appeared to have difficulties lifting - much less wielding - Imlerith's mace. And even that improved Guts was at the very best an equal of base form Zodd, and inferior to his transformed state. Signs give Geralt some unique offensive and defensive options, but I think he's just plain outclassed in terms of power level.

There's also Geralt's emphasis on preparation to consider. I think a lot of his success stems from his encyclopedic knowledge of his enemies as well as adequately preparing for his fights beforehand. He won't have those advantages if dropped into a fight cold, which I assume is the premise for this thread.

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I think Geralt can pull it off.

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Going with Geralt in a hard fight

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Zod takes this. To much power and regeneration.

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Geralt takes this after one of his greatest fights.

Zodd's regen and strength advantages might be too much.

A weaker Golden Age Zodd was capable of not only stomping Wyald.

But even Human form Wyald can throw a man so high, he lands on top of a large building spike.

And Zodd then goes on to get better scaling via Guts. And can keep up with him in speed. The same Guts can react to, and dodge lightning.

So he gets the strength advantage, and equal speed to keep up with Geralt.

The main issue for Zodd is gonna be the hax Geralt has in his possession. So if Geralt managed to pop them off, he wins. If he can't, he loses.

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#7  Edited By Belando

@cryolancer47:

A weaker Golden Age Zodd was capable of not only stomping Wyald.

To be fair, Wyald was already beaten to an inch of death.

But even Human form Wyald can throw a man so high, he lands on top of a large building spike.

Not only that, but no one present caught what happened.

The same Guts can react to, and dodge lightning.

Guts never actually dodged lightning, and neither did Serpico. Rosine is the most consistent speed feat in the verse, and she's supersonic, which Guts truly struggled with. This makes Guts somewhat capable of dealing with supersonic threats, albeit barely.

That said, neither does Geralt or anyone he scales too. I'd say Guts and Geralt are rather similar in the speed department, but Geralt is a lot more agile.

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#8  Edited By CryoLancer47

@belando:

To be fair, Wyald was already beaten to an inch of death.

Wyald was still capable of murdering the Hawk's and Griffith, at that point. And their only hope in Guts was wrecked.

Which is why Zodd intervened.

Not only that, but no one present caught what happened.

Yeah. And he realistically couldn't have had time to transform in the middle of the day. We know he scales to Guts in strength who can swing his sword so hard it stopped Silat's iron whips that lift and instantly cut a human to pieces in a second.

And the same or weaker version of Guts was cutting falling giant wooden logs with his sword when they fall towards him under a waterfall.

So even more scaling for Wyald & Zodd.

Guts never actually dodged lightning, and neither did Serpico.

Didn't they, though?

Rosine is the most consistent speed feat in the verse, and she's supersonic, which Guts truly struggled with. This makes Guts somewhat capable of dealing with supersonic threats, albeit barely.

That's a weaker, and earlier version of Guts. And we know he got stronger and faster as time went on + Berserker Armor amps him above his levels peak regular levels.

And let's not forget that he managed to react to her and even tanked that big fall in their final fight.

That said, neither does Geralt or anyone he scales too.

Geralt is held as a lightning timer by feat. And many agree on that.

I'd say Guts and Geralt are rather similar in the speed department, but Geralt is a lot more agile.

Debatable. Guts will need an insane amount of agility to swing his sword and move/stop it as easy as he does without. And keep the balance on his body. Plus when he threw demon Mozgus and didn't fall with him. And it's not as if he didn't fight in locations that weren't the most sturdy, before.

They should be damn near equal when it comes to agility by feats.

And Berserker Armor Guts (If we bring him into this convo) is a lot more agile to a comical degree than his normal version.

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#9  Edited By Belando

@cryolancer47:

Wyald was still capable of murdering the Hawk's and Griffith, at that point. And their only hope in Guts was wrecked.

Which is why Zodd intervened.

For sure. But Wyald was already defeated, to the point where the Hawks believed he was dead. And Zodd, or anything would've intervened either way and been victorious due to causality. Griffith, in a twisted way, was actually immortal.

So even more scaling for Wyald & Zodd.

Yeah, I agree with this. Wyald is ridiculously powerful and fast. While Zodd is established as superior.

Didn't they, though?

Geralt is held as a lightning timer by feat. And many agree on that.

It's kind of interesting. Very many people think Guts and Serpico "lightning timed". But there's not a single instance of lighting being on the way and them acting after. I've made several long and detailed posts about this, but TL;DR Ganiskha manifests lightning in his cloud form before launching it.

The same is true for Geralt. There's not an actual feat where lightning is on the way and Geralt dodges. All we know is that Vilgefortz attacked with lightning magic and they avoided it. There's zero context or clues as to how they did or in which order the actions took place. There's also Djin's but no direct example of Geralt or anyone he scales to avoiding lighting after it's launched.

This is disregarding the debate on how fast lightning is.

Debatable.

And Berserker Armor Guts (If we bring him into this convo) is a lot more agile to a comical degree than his normal version.

I'd say both are in the range of being somewhat able to deal with supersonic attacks. Guts due to Rosine, arrows and crossbow bolts, and Geralt due to arrows and crossbow bolts at incredibly close range, etc. The Berserker Armor is a different case, true. While I could and would argue for Geralt having a chance even against Guts in the armor, there are few opportunities to cause damage.

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I don't think this is as close as people want it to be. Geralt is getting demolished.

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#11  Edited By Ningenoid

Probably Zodd due to being faster and low level regeneration

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#12  Edited By SainguineXshadow

Zodd, this isn't even remotely close. Guts has a feat while he's human of basically being a damn tornado while swinging that Dragonslayer of his around; he still cannot best Zodd or even meaningfully harm him.

I doubt Geralt could fight Grunbeld either.

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Depends on wheter Moon Dust and/or Brown Oil can counter Zodd's healing factor. If yes, then Geralt wins due to better speed. If not, Zodd outlasts.

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Zodd wins

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Geralt has no chance (and I stress *no* chance) if he doesn’t prep.

If he’s given time and info on Zodd as per his usual MO, he has a chance at surviving this through prep. He’d need Witcher potions and the like to be strong enough to deal with Zodd’s physical advantages.

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Probably Zodd

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@wabubub said:

I don't think this is as close as people want it to be. Geralt is getting demolished.

I mean, you didn't exactly provide a case.

Geralt has no chance (and I stress *no* chance) if he doesn’t prep.

If he’s given time and info on Zodd as per his usual MO, he has a chance at surviving this through prep. He’d need Witcher potions and the like to be strong enough to deal with Zodd’s physical advantages.

Wanna fight, m8? It's good to see you :)

How much stronger (physically) is Zodd in your opinion?

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@the_wspanialy: My man! Likewise :)

I’d have him a good bit stronger. Zodd is a ways stronger than Guts is (even in his human form), who I also have stronger than Geralt - at least consistently.

I’d peg Zodd as maybe 2 or 3 times stronger than Detlaff is.

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#19  Edited By the_wspanialy
@kingcrimson said:

I’d have him a good bit stronger. Zodd is a ways stronger than Guts is (even in his human form), who I also have stronger than Geralt - at least consistently.

I’d peg Zodd as maybe 2 or 3 times stronger than Detlaff is.

Just in case you didn't know about this feat (I myself stumbled upon it just a few months ago) strength-wise Dettlaff, in his first transformation, is (at least) equal to Regis, who shook a large underground chamber just by trashing inside his cage. And keep in mind that Geralt can trade blows with Dettlaff even without going through additional mutations which specifically increase his strength.

Not that I claim Dettlaff is stronger Zodd or anything, just that the example above might influence your perception ;)

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Geralt was knocked out by a horse kick to the head and was unable to get up when a ladder fell on him. Any blow from Zod breaks all his bones and breaks him in two.

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@the_wspanialy:

Hmm… I do recall that mission, but don’t remember noticing that feat at the time. Pretty impressive honestly. I wouldn’t say it puts them over Zodd (he collapsed an iron mine with a headbutt IIRC), but it would have them closer than I initially thought.

Geralt’s fighting style is based on parries and pirouettes and essentially abusing his skill advantage against stronger foes though, right? Or do you have him as strong as Detlaff and co?

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@the_wspanialy:

Hmm… I do recall that mission, but don’t remember noticing that feat at the time. Pretty impressive honestly. I wouldn’t say it puts them over Zodd (he collapsed an iron mine with a headbutt IIRC), but it would have them closer than I initially thought.

Geralt’s fighting style is based on parries and pirouettes and essentially abusing his skill advantage against stronger foes though, right? Or do you have him as strong as Detlaff and co?

I don't have the exact quote right now, but I do remember it was stated in Blood of Elves that in combat witchers put the greatest emphasis on speed and evasiveness. I doubt Geralt would try to engage Zodd (a huge, clearly superhuman guy) in a contest of strength, he would put his (in my opinion) superior speed to full use, while using Signs to keep him off balance.

Well, we've seen Geralt trading blows with Dettlaff, so he should be at least comparable. And that's, again, without taking into account the additional mutations from Blood and Wine.

But frankly, unless we know whether Geralt can or cannot deal with Zodd's healing factor, it's all a moot point.

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@the_wspanialy: I agree with that assessment, though Zodd isn’t slow. He’s frighteningly fast for his size, IMO.

From what I recall, Geralt was always deflecting his blows rather than matching them, which doesn’t take parity in strength, and the one time he didn’t, it was like Detlaffs one arm against his whole body, right?

Tbh I remember Detlaffs healing factor being relative to Zodds right? They can’t outright regrow body parts at a speed to be useful during combat but they can reattach them? A decap is a win though, I would think.

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@the_wspanialy: I agree with that assessment, though Zodd isn’t slow. He’s frighteningly fast for his size, IMO.

From what I recall, Geralt was always deflecting his blows rather than matching them, which doesn’t take parity in strength, and the one time he didn’t, it was like Detlaffs one arm against his whole body, right?

Tbh I remember Detlaffs healing factor being relative to Zodds right? They can’t outright regrow body parts at a speed to be useful during combat but they can reattach them? A decap is a win though, I would think.

Didn't say Zodd is slow.

He either counters or straight-up blocks them.

Nah, Dettlaff puts his entire body (plus momentum and gravity) into this:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11123/111235159/6190335-9320928291-61830.gif

Regis (in his human form) regenerated a hole in his chest in a couple of seconds, while Dettlaff (in his true form) after being bisected started to reattach his cut halves.

??? I could've sworn Zodd (or someone he should scale to) has a feat of regrowing a head...

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Thinking Zodd

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Zodd