Genos (OPM) V.S. Team Avatar

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#51 Posted by TrueAustralian (1186 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Genos casual DC compared to avatarverse?

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#52 Posted by Thekillerklok (10146 posts) - - Show Bio
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#53 Edited by TrueAustralian (1186 posts) - - Show Bio
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#54 Edited by Thekillerklok (10146 posts) - - Show Bio

@trueaustralian said:

@thekillerklok: I'm familiar with Genos, not avatar.

Then you need to go watch that cartoon.

starting at episode one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KhBcABRI1c

^ and lightning redirecting and you pretty much have the best feats.

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#55 Posted by TrueAustralian (1186 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekillerklok: nty, I just got done marathoning all of naruto (sans filler), not in the mood to binge again just for battle relevancy.

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#56 Posted by Thekillerklok (10146 posts) - - Show Bio

@trueaustralian: eh nah it's just an amazing cartoon, who cares about battle relevancy.

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#57 Posted by Tantani (2944 posts) - - Show Bio
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#58 Posted by Tantani (2944 posts) - - Show Bio

@trueaustralian: much higher than sparky sparky boom boom and Comit Sozin Ozai (sorry if I misspell it lol)

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#59 Edited by americanspeeddemon (7378 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: @major_hellstorm: Here's the calc

So most of the time in Avatar we see the world as it is seen by the people within which is in slower motion than things really appear. This is shown by the fact that the characters perception often goes against real world perceptions which are sometimes shown slightly later.

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In these we see the characters react to explosions. Yet we also get an interesting correlation as we see how fast the explosion is moving for the heroes to react and how fast it is moving in actuality which is much faster.

With this we now can look at how fast lightning is in an actual real perspective.

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Here we see the lightning shooting past a mountain range and into the sky. Now the minimum mountain height is 1,000 ft. but as seen in the picture below these mountains are much bigger than the smaller ones at least 3-4 times their size.

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Overall these mountains are at least 3,000 feet tall and the distance between the edge of the mountains and the edge of the screen is slightly greater than the size of the mountains (3,000+ feet). So the lightning moves approximately 6,000 feet in this scan. So after looking at this I checked the amount of frames it took for the mountain to touch the sky. It took in total 9 frames. Now this scene has a frame rate of 25 frames per second which means the lightning moved 6,000 feet in 9/25 of a second. This is aproximately 16,667.67 feet per second or mach 14.9. Now this is based off of estimates and has room for error, the mathematical estimate you can find here comes to about mach 12.3 so slightly less than mine. Obviously this isn't lightning speed but it is highly hypersonic.

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#60 Edited by ANTHP2000 (29641 posts) - - Show Bio

@americanspeeddemon: This seems legit, but what I mean is that Zuko or Aang or anyone as a matter of fact doesnt demonstrate travel speed good enough to match hypersonic speed. Seeing as how much time they need to close a distance it seems that it would be highily inconsistent for them. Even when they amp their travel speed via bending it's not enough it seems. Except for Aang's super speed. The others that include water surf, earth travelling and fire jets are not as good. People like Azula or Aang do run at the very least as fast as Olympic champions, maybe even faster, without bending but that's no match for hypersonic speed and over-all highily inconsistent seeing as how their normal travel speed is still human levels. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, you may want to tagthe other person you were disscusing this with, too.

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#61 Posted by DeathWingTerminatorT1000 (417 posts) - - Show Bio

Genos creates sonic booms when he accelerates, so he is at least slightly faster than the speed of sound, but he may be higher than that. I don't think anybody in the Avatarverse has fought at such speeds before. So I have to go with Genos here.

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#62 Posted by DeathHero61 (18873 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees said:
@major_hellstorm said:

@reaverlation: Toph could bend him as he is made of metal, while the others distract him, though.

toph would actually have to sense him for that and flying at mach speeds is beyond anything the avatar verse has touched.

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#63 Posted by DeathHero61 (18873 posts) - - Show Bio

All these people are hypersonic reacting and successfully defe ding against explosions. Yet he speedblitzes. Seems legit.

Stop yourself while you are ahead, Genos is massively hypersonic in terms of speed. IMHO Benders are at most supersonic MAYBE hypersonic due to ASD's calc on Avatar Lightning. But even then, Genos still outclasses that calc in terms of raw speed.

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#64 Posted by TrueAustralian (1186 posts) - - Show Bio

Aang appears to have the DC to hurt Genos, especially in his avatar mode, but I'm not entirely sure he could hit Genos with anything due to speed differences.

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#65 Posted by DeathHero61 (18873 posts) - - Show Bio

@trueaustralian: Not really......despite being the glass canon of his verse, he can tank a lot. Not even the strongest hits from these benders would hurt Genos.

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#66 Edited by ANTHP2000 (29641 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61: I'm not saying they can win. What I said is I doubt this can be a one shot blitz. Especially when they have knowledge on him.

Correct me if I'm wrong since Im not the best when it comes to speed and stuff but aren't explosions supposed to be faster than lightning? And highily hypersonic?

Why are u saying that only benders have this reaction speed tho? Nonbenders do not fall back.

Also, if Toph metalbends him, why won't he get hurt?

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#67 Posted by Major_Hellstrom (18076 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61: Genos can tank all of their attacks yes, but take them on unscathed, I'll need some scans for proof.

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#68 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

Genos

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#69 Posted by SirNeko (4397 posts) - - Show Bio
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#70 Posted by Just_Banter (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

Genos would one shot them. Plus I doubt Toph can bend metal that's as pure as Genos' would be

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#71 Posted by TrueAustralian (1186 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Depends entirely on the explosive, and in most cases, no lightning is faster.

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#72 Edited by ANTHP2000 (29641 posts) - - Show Bio

@trueaustralian said:

@anthp2000: Depends entirely on the explosive, and in most cases, no lightning is faster.

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Avatar lightning is not normal light speed. I'd honestly say it's just bulet speed. Maybe silghtly better if not slightly slower. Around that level. Of course I'm not sure.

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#73 Posted by TrueAustralian (1186 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Fiery explosions like that are usually not very fast, could be subsonic.

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#75 Posted by TrueAustralian (1186 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Pretty much all chemical explosives, to varying degrees. Not sure what the explosion velocity of like diesel or other fuels are but its pretty low.

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#76 Edited by americanspeeddemon (7378 posts) - - Show Bio

@trueaustralian: Korra and Zuko's explosions had a lot of force which indicate a blast wave and mako's was state of the art military technology which implies at least supersonic speeds.

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#77 Posted by DeathHero61 (18873 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61: I'm not saying they can win. What I said is I doubt this can be a one shot blitz. Especially when they have knowledge on him.

Correct me if I'm wrong since Im not the best when it comes to speed and stuff but aren't explosions supposed to be faster than lightning? And highily hypersonic?

No. Low-end they are Mach 1 depending on size and distance covered in a particular period of time, very high-end explosions are high hypersonic. The speed of lightning varies but the average speed is several hundred times the speed of sound. A speed no avatar characters have performed travel or combat speed wise.

Why are u saying that only benders have this reaction speed tho? Nonbenders do not fall back

Also, if Toph metalbends him, why won't he get hurt?

Same reason why Korra struggled to bend highly reinforced iron. Genos is built far tougher. That's like saying Toph can beat/hurt Iron Man or Magneto just because they have metal on them. Go watch Genos vs Sea King, and with the hits those two trade with each other, come back here and tell me that Toph can hurt him.

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#78 Edited by ANTHP2000 (29641 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61: No, I mean faster than Avatar lightning. How fast do you think it is btw?

Fair enough.

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#79 Posted by DeathHero61 (18873 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61: No, I mean faster than Avatar lightning.

Explosions??? Possibly, but none of the explosions in avatar travel half of the distance of a high end explosive. For example, most high-end explosives can travel 2000-8000 Meters Per Second(Anybody on the thread reading this can correct me if i am wrong)

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#80 Posted by ANTHP2000 (29641 posts) - - Show Bio
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#81 Posted by Silverrings (5452 posts) - - Show Bio

What makes people think the Avatar team can hurt Genos?

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#82 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio

Genos

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#83 Posted by Morpheus_ (34794 posts) - - Show Bio

Incinerate. And this should be locked.

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#84 Posted by Regime (515 posts) - - Show Bio

Stomp in favor of Genos.

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#85 Posted by Marishtar (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

Incinerate. And this should be locked.

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#86 Posted by johnsmjs36 (788 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this still going on?