Genjutsu (Naruto) vs KS (Bleach)

@gabrielbelmont: TP = Mind based attacks

I don't know you but if tried arguing a point instead of pretending you're better than 'Narutofanboys" you might be taken seriously.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/westwood_trevor/blog/naruto-why-genjutsu-works-on-people-without-chakra/132475/

• Infinite Tsukuyomi working with not-shinobi folks like toddlers and normal animals
• Sound Genjutsu
• Izanami working without even eye contact, at all
  
  Do you really think KS that is a basic visual illusion AKA basic common Genjutsu is BETTER than every type of Genjutsu? Christ, Bleachsuckers...gimem the phone number of your pusher. Seems good stuff.
  
  Put a common Genjutsu user in Bleach and he will pull a Kyoka Suigetsu every now and then. Kurenai can basically pull a Aizen/KS whenever she want. LOL

KS is also not a mind-based attack.

@gabrielbelmont: It effects the 5 sense all of which are controlled via what organ?

> Calls people fanboys

> Doesn't present an argument

> Doesn't even know what he's arguing

So, the general consensus thus far is that KS shits on any form of Genjutsu.

And the best part is that common Genjutsu or normal 3 Tomoe Sharingan Genjutsu can do all that stuff, let alone what all the top tier Genjutsu can do, lol. Tsukuyomi is a world where the caster has the complete control over the time-space-reality. Itachi killed people with it.
Izanami can put you under an infinite time loop where if the caster doesn't tell you how to escape from it you will never figure it out.
Nirvana's Temple can put hundreds of people to sleep in a second.

Christ, how many Genjutsu are in Naruto?!

@limitlesssigil: it's actually vis versa by a decent amount.

@tetsukage said:

It's really not. You must enjoy going around in circles.

@limitlesssigil: it is I've read this entire thread , more people sided with Genjutsu.

In fact I saw you getting schooled in it earlier, your the guy who refused to read a link that proved you wrong you then made the excuse that it was a "Theory" so you wouldn't have to post a rebuttal

Now about going in circles, you got schooled why did you come back?

KS is miles greater than any genjutsu excluding itachi&kaguya Tsukuyomi.

The illusions that can be compared to genjutsu is AS Nodt's fear, shunsui illusions,shinji shikai, Pepe's love.and all these have been repeatedly resisted.save Aizen's KS-

Fixed ;)

Christ, saying a shitty, mere mirage is better than any form of Genjutsu...lucky to you i fixed that bullshit, lol.

@tetsukage said:

I've also read the entire thread, overwhelming majority agree KS shits on any form of Genjutsu.

Lets be honest, you're a Naruto fanboy, so it's obvious you're going to see it that way.

How am I going in circles? I've stopped debating on how KS is superior, you're the one who's still going.

@saxz: No, Tsu, Koto, Izanami, Izanagi, and IT are all better

Advanced Genjutsu>>KS>>Basic Genjutsu

You're aware that a Mirage only relies on sight right?

Genjutsu has no many stated inverse weaknesses that it's kinda sad people still fall to it honestly. Even pain can stop genjutsu.

@limitlesssigil:

1.) Wrong

2.) Wrong

3.) You came back, you're going in circles.

How about we do one of those CaV battles, I'll represent Genjutsu you represent KS well debate which is stronger and that's that.

@godren: Pain has stopped Fodder Genjutsu, and fear manipulation.

@tetsukage said:

I'm pretty sure such a thread is against the rules since it isn't technically a battle, but I'm fine with it if you set it up.

I wonder if Tetsukage is that person that deactivated their account.

@godren said:

It does seem suspicious that all the people advocating for Genjutsu have extremely low post count lol.

@limitlesssigil: well if it's against the rules we better not, I'll ask first.

@limitlesssigil: I can count two people here alone with lower post count than mine siding with KS.

KS is miles greater than any genjutsu excluding itachi&kaguya Tsukuyomi.

The illusions that can be compared to genjutsu is AS Nodt's fear, shunsui illusions,shinji shikai, Pepe's love.and all these have been repeatedly resisted.save Aizen's KS-

I should have worded that better, *It does seem suspicious that the all of the people that are "still" advocating for Genjutsu have extremely low post count*

Better?

@limitlesssigil: Not really because someone with 3k said Genjutsu was better not to long ago

Anyways I asked a mod, let's see what he says.

Genjutsu>>>>>Kyoka Suigetsu

@silentnightz: nothing you said is a counter for anything we've already been through.

Sigil is right going in circles is a drag, I'll focus on my debate with him if it's even allowed.

This is actually true, we've only seen like 4-5 Naruto characters ever break out of a Genjutsu lmao.

@tetsukage:

As Nodt fear which makes people die of cardiac arrest in seconds and Pepe's love, both equal advanced genjutsu such as shisui's and neither are considered even half as deadly as KS

@limitlesssigil: well Koto isn't the strongest Genjutsu and this debate is all about which is stronger.

The only Genjutsu you can even compare to KS would be Kotoamatsukami due to;

Both control your 5 senses without you realizing, and yet KS is clearly superior due to never being removed, not costing any form of energy, being completely undetectable (Unlike Koto), and not having a 10 year long cooldown lmao.

It baffles me how they can call KS a fodder Genjutsu when it does everything Koto does with more efficiency.

Genjutsu method of application is actually what filler Koga does in the anime lol via sening his energy into someone else.

@tetsukage said:

Koto is the strongest Genjutsu though, the only advantage IT has over it is AoE. Hell, Koto is literally called the "Ultimate Genjutsu".

@limitlesssigil:

Actually KS can't compel you to do things you don't want,while koto can. So a point for koto I guess

@chakko: Completely agree.

Genjutsu ragdolls

@limitlesssigil:

Except it's not, IT can't be broken, Koto can.

Tsu makes you off yourself Koto doesn't

Izanami puts you in a endless loop and it can only be broken via one way.

Izanagi can rewrite death

Koto's only claim to fame is being nigh undetectable.

I'm actually interested in what you bring to the table that surpasses all that.

@tetsukage: KS is comparable to kotoamatsukami. You trick your enemy into attacking someone els. That doesn't sound like basic genjustu. It also works on souls and dead people Something Even IT cant even do. Aizens KS stays active forever. And the best you dont have to worrie about going blind or chakra limits or someone breaking. Unless its yhwach who litterly has the ability nullify anything

Izanagi does not rewrite your death because ypu have to activate it befor you die. Ywach can legit rewrite his death he got killed by ichigo and still change the future were he died

@limitlesssigil: FYI, 3 people with at least 3,000 post count all just said Genjutsu wins as opposed too, two sub 100 post count people saying KS

Just to close that weird argument you had earlier.

@tetsukage said:

Most of this is completely wrong

Koto can't be broken, Itachi was willing to use this on an EMS Sasuke who casually broke from his own Tsukuyomi before even acquiring MS.

Koto can make you kill yourself if the weilder commanded you to do so.

Cost of using Izanami > Benefits

Cost of using Izanagi > Benefits

Koto was detected by a fodder Byakugan lol, how is that its claim to fame? It's claim to fame is being called the Ultimate Genjutsu.

@tetsukage said:

Sky Sanji, a notorious Bleach hater and someone who has a personal grudge against me, not surprising he'd side with Naruto.

Gilateen, everyone knows he's a Naruto wanker, hardly a reliable opinion.

lol some people are confusing Genjutsu with Dojutsu.

Further evidence Genjutsu needs a chakra system to work/maintain.

@silentnightz: the senju cells thing was retconned EMS Madara used it to come back after Hashirama killed him

@limitlesssigil: doesn't matter the cost, their benefits are powerful and that's what we are debating.

@godren said:

lol some people are confusing Genjutsu with Dojutsu.

Further evidence Genjutsu needs a chakra system to work/maintain.

Finally, this is completely irrefutable "Your chakra is under your opponents control"

Now we can end this completely obvious debate.

In a combat situation, if anyone that isn't Danzo with 30 Sharingans uses Izanagi or Izanami, then all they're doing is hurting themselves, that's why you don't see Madara or Sasuke use it.

We're not just seeing what's more powerful, we're also seeing which is better in a combat scenario, which is undoubtedly KS.