Genis-Vell vs Silver Surfer

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#1  Edited By Eternal Chaos

Surfer.

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Who will win?

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#3  Edited By SeSAW

WOW the biggest battle in marvel top tiers i don't know im kinda leaning toward surfer but its really hard.

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#4  Edited By Scarlet Thor

Surfer.... mainly because of experience

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#5  Edited By Queen Kong

Surfer.Easy.

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surfer

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#7  Edited By SeSAW
Queen Kong said:
"Surfer.Easy."

It aint gonna be easy for him no way Genis- vell has some Monarch/SBP feats and he stepped to King Thor, and pretty much anything Surfer can do he can do.
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#8  Edited By Queen Kong
Queen Kong said:
"Surfer.Easy."

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#9  Edited By SeSAW

Genis story

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                                                                                                                                                                     Genis took on the new avengers with Sentry and owned them
                           
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Genis goes insane and wears his fathers old costume and Steps to king thor with the odin force

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After this minor struggle Genis cassually beat 2 giants that gave king thor and all of Asgurd trouble. there are many many many many many many ,many many more feats of genis.
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#10  Edited By Scarlet Thor
SeSAW said:
"Genis story
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                                                                                                                                                                     Genis took on the new avengers with Sentry and owned them
                           
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Genis goes insane and wears his fathers old costume and Steps to king thor with the odin force

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After this minor struggle Genis cassually beat 2 giants that gave king thor and all of Asgurd trouble. there are many many many many many many ,many many more feats of genis."
good one. I didn't know about the Thor fact
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#11  Edited By SeSAW

hell yeah he never actually beat King Thor but Genis was a hellava beast. But thor never faced post annihilation Sufer either.

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#12  Edited By the creator

I remember that Genis-Vell got beaten by Baron Zemo who was powered by 2 Moonstones at the time (in Thunderbolts).

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#13  Edited By SeSAW

It might have been before he fully knew how to use his powers, (he took some loses before he perfected them) or maybe not Moondragon with both the stones is hellified. I would bet on the first option.

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#14  Edited By the creator
SeSAW said:
"It might have been before he fully knew how to use his powers, (he took some loses before he perfected them) or maybe not Moondragon with both the stones is hellified. I would bet on the first option."
No, this is when Zemo killed him by splitting up his energy / body and sending to various dimensions I think.
So Genis had the most experience of his powers possible for this confrontation.

I don't think you mean Moondragon, but Moonstone and she has displayed very high levels of power with the 2 stones, but not greater than the Surfers I think.

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#15  Edited By SeSAW

No when Genis had the most power and experience he killed himself but your pretty much right about everything else.

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#16  Edited By Ball Buster

I think Photon has a chance.

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#17  Edited By roguemarvel

pppppppppppppphhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhoooooooooooooooooooooootttttttttttttttttttttttttttooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn wins
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#18  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator

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As much as I like Surfer, I'll admit that he gets his shit wrecked here.
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#20  Edited By castleking
insane genis has incredible displays of power and destroyed the universe... i think genis would win here.
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genis stomps
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#22  Edited By King Saturn
Insane Genis would be able to handle the Silver Surfer
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@King Saturn said:
" Insane Genis would be able to handle the Silver Surfer "
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#24  Edited By daak1212

Photon and Genis can handle the Surfer.  Im not sure why Photon had trouble with King Thor.  PIS.  Or was Thor also liek Odin and that he was the supreme being of that realm like Mephisto is of his realm?

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#25  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@daak1212 said:
" Photon and Genis can handle the Surfer.  Im not sure why Photon had trouble with King Thor.  PIS.  Or was Thor also liek Odin and that he was the supreme being of that realm like Mephisto is of his realm? "
Probably because Photon never fought King Thor.
 
Anyway.
 
Legacy gets destroyed.
Early days as Captain Marvel also gets destroyed.
Slightly before Captain Marvel volume 4, the Surfer also has the edge.
Insane Genis destroys the Surfer with ease.
Post-Mad God Genis should also win as he was, presumably at the same level of power.
Merged Genis lacks feats but he was probably the most powerful Genis-Vell version ever, therefore he should win, as well.
I am unsure about Photon.
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@Morpheus_:   Are those scans between Genis and King Thor cannon? If so, i'm guessing they are from the Jurgens run? Something about it doesn't seem cannon though.
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#27  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@ckal said:
" @Morpheus_:   Are those scans between Genis and King Thor cannon? If so, i'm guessing they are from the Jurgens run? Something about it doesn't seem cannon though. "
It's canon. It's from Genis's own book (Captain Marvel vol. 4 # 7). It wasn't really a fight. Thor threw Mjolnir and knocked Genis back, and Genis blasted him in return. After that, they decided to talk instead of fighting. Genis actually saved Thor from a fatal error as a potential fight between the Asgardians and two Storm Giants would have annihilated Asgard and would have caused the death of numerous civilians below.
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@Morpheus_ said:
" @ckal said:
" @Morpheus_:   Are those scans between Genis and King Thor cannon? If so, i'm guessing they are from the Jurgens run? Something about it doesn't seem cannon though. "
It's canon. It's from Genis's own book (Captain Marvel vol. 4 # 7). It wasn't really a fight. Thor threw Mjolnir and knocked Genis back, and Genis blasted him in return. After that, they decided to talk instead of fighting. Genis actually saved Thor from a fatal error as a potential fight between the Asgardians and two Storm Giants would have annihilated Asgard and would have caused the death of numerous civilians below. "
Ah, interesting. Thanks for the info Morph
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#29  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@ckal said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @ckal said:
" @Morpheus_:   Are those scans between Genis and King Thor cannon? If so, i'm guessing they are from the Jurgens run? Something about it doesn't seem cannon though. "
It's canon. It's from Genis's own book (Captain Marvel vol. 4 # 7). It wasn't really a fight. Thor threw Mjolnir and knocked Genis back, and Genis blasted him in return. After that, they decided to talk instead of fighting. Genis actually saved Thor from a fatal error as a potential fight between the Asgardians and two Storm Giants would have annihilated Asgard and would have caused the death of numerous civilians below. "
Ah, interesting. Thanks for the info Morph "
You're welcome.
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#30  Edited By BlessedbyHorus

Genis vell.

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@Morpheus_ said:
" @ckal said:
" @Morpheus_:   Are those scans between Genis and King Thor cannon? If so, i'm guessing they are from the Jurgens run? Something about it doesn't seem cannon though. "
It's canon. It's from Genis's own book (Captain Marvel vol. 4 # 7). It wasn't really a fight. Thor threw Mjolnir and knocked Genis back, and Genis blasted him in return. After that, they decided to talk instead of fighting. Genis actually saved Thor from a fatal error as a potential fight between the Asgardians and two Storm Giants would have annihilated Asgard and would have caused the death of numerous civilians below. "

Jezz well isnt Genis the samaritan?
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#32  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@daak1212 said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @ckal said:
" @Morpheus_:   Are those scans between Genis and King Thor cannon? If so, i'm guessing they are from the Jurgens run? Something about it doesn't seem cannon though. "
It's canon. It's from Genis's own book (Captain Marvel vol. 4 # 7). It wasn't really a fight. Thor threw Mjolnir and knocked Genis back, and Genis blasted him in return. After that, they decided to talk instead of fighting. Genis actually saved Thor from a fatal error as a potential fight between the Asgardians and two Storm Giants would have annihilated Asgard and would have caused the death of numerous civilians below. "
Jezz well isnt Genis the samaritan? "
He went there to prove he was entitled be called a god, nothing personal, really.
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@Morpheus_ said:
" @daak1212 said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @ckal said:
" @Morpheus_:   Are those scans between Genis and King Thor cannon? If so, i'm guessing they are from the Jurgens run? Something about it doesn't seem cannon though. "
It's canon. It's from Genis's own book (Captain Marvel vol. 4 # 7). It wasn't really a fight. Thor threw Mjolnir and knocked Genis back, and Genis blasted him in return. After that, they decided to talk instead of fighting. Genis actually saved Thor from a fatal error as a potential fight between the Asgardians and two Storm Giants would have annihilated Asgard and would have caused the death of numerous civilians below. "
Jezz well isnt Genis the samaritan? "
He went there to prove he was entitled be called a god, nothing personal, really. "

Makes sense I guess, savior seems more like it.  I thought Photon was post mad god?  Or was it after post mad god?  I know Photon is powerful but is he IGV and P-IGV levels?
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#34  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@daak1212 said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @daak1212 said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @ckal said:
" @Morpheus_:   Are those scans between Genis and King Thor cannon? If so, i'm guessing they are from the Jurgens run? Something about it doesn't seem cannon though. "
It's canon. It's from Genis's own book (Captain Marvel vol. 4 # 7). It wasn't really a fight. Thor threw Mjolnir and knocked Genis back, and Genis blasted him in return. After that, they decided to talk instead of fighting. Genis actually saved Thor from a fatal error as a potential fight between the Asgardians and two Storm Giants would have annihilated Asgard and would have caused the death of numerous civilians below. "
Jezz well isnt Genis the samaritan? "
He went there to prove he was entitled be called a god, nothing personal, really. "
Makes sense I guess, savior seems more like it.  I thought Photon was post mad god?  Or was it after post mad god?  I know Photon is powerful but is he IGV and P-IGV levels? "
Post Mad God, and after Mad God is the same thing.
 
I have only read bits and pieces from Thunderbolts, so I cannot give an accurate estimation on Photon's power level, and even though he was still very powerful, his powerset was drastically altered. Based on what I have seen, he wasn't at the same level as the Mad God version.
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#35  Edited By Jeronimo

Surfer wins here.  
 
He has more experience with more powerful foes.
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#36  Edited By drkhwk2001

Chrome Dome (SS) wins this.

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#37  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
Surfer wins certain scenarios, Genis wins others. It's really not that difficult.
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#38  Edited By BlessedbyHorus

 -Genis can exist in the past, present, and future of multiple realities at the same time. Here he is accidently opening up portals to various timelines.
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-Vell vs King Thor
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#39  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@King-Stranglehold da first said:
"  -Genis can exist in the past, present, and future of multiple realities at the same time. Here he is accidently opening up portals to various timelines. http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newthunderbolts018page074nb.jpg http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newthunderbolts018page086zx.jpg http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newthunderbolts018page096tk.jpg http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newthunderbolts018page109qg.jpg  -Vell vs King Thor  http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p169pz.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p174tu.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p185wz.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p194lu.jpg http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p207lr.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p219nk.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p226fg.jpg "
Most of what you posted is Genis talking to Thor, since the "fight" lasted two pages.
 
Also, you can't use versions interchangeably. First set of scans is Photon, second set is Insane Genis.
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@Morpheus_ said:
" @King-Stranglehold da first said:
"  -Genis can exist in the past, present, and future of multiple realities at the same time. Here he is accidently opening up portals to various timelines. http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newthunderbolts018page074nb.jpg http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newthunderbolts018page086zx.jpg http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newthunderbolts018page096tk.jpg http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newthunderbolts018page109qg.jpg  -Vell vs King Thor  http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p169pz.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p174tu.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p185wz.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p194lu.jpg http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p207lr.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p219nk.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p226fg.jpg "
Most of what you posted is Genis talking to Thor, since the "fight" lasted two pages.
 
Also, you can't use versions interchangeably. First set of scans is Photon, second set is Insane Genis.
"
TC didn't really specify which version of Genis we are using, but you are %100 correct in this one:
 
@Morpheus_ said:
" Surfer wins certain scenarios, Genis wins others. It's really not that difficult. "
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#41  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@SlimJ87D:When no version is specified, we go with the most recent one. Since Genis is dead, current means most recent prior to his death. In which case, 90% of the people who support Genis use feats he performed as the Mad God. But I already made a chart on who wins depending on the version of Genis used, anyway.
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