General Grievous vs Asajj Ventress

In-Character

Standard Equipment

Composite

Battle takes place outside the Lars family home on Tatooine

I know what happened on Dathomir in TCW, but what would happen if this were to take place on neutral ground with Legends feats added in?

Greivous

Grievous should be able to take it. Legends Grievous was a beast.

I know what happened on Dathomir in TCW

Btw wasn't Ventress amped there? By Dathomir planet energy? You know something like dark side nexus.

There's canon fight (unfinished episodes are still canon) where Grievous fights against Kenobi and he WINS. In fair 1 vs 1 duel. I think that's nice feat.

Grievous

Legends Grievous wins, yeah.

Grievous, but Ventress puts up a good fight. The inclusion of Legends feats and the change of location benefits him more than it does her.

Grievous wins.

In Legends Grievous already stomped her

In Disney Ventress already stomped him

Composite feats allowed would mean Ventress wins because Grievous has A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of low ends while Ventress hardly has any at all.

Grievous wins. He's much more powerful than she is and can overwhelm her.

I assume you're speaking in the context of physicals, considering Grievous can't be more powerful force wise, for obvious reasons.

In Disney Canon there's no mention of her being amped by it so yeah she stomped him fair and square.

Srry but Grievous is a bumbling bafoon in Disney canon that lost to eight Gungans, even with his Legends feats his average will still be far too below that of Ventress.

@miss_america_:

Srry but Grievous is a bumbling bafoon in Disney canon that lost to eight Gungans

More like to whole gungan army

far too below that of Ventress.

So how would you explain that he defeated TCW Kenobi in fair 1 vs 1 fight (Tcw Kenobi is almost at his prime)? How would you explain that he was a good match for Maul in Son of Dathomir? They are both way above canon Ventress

I think that Grievous is more skilled, and he's also accustomed to working around force powers. Still, I don't perceive the skill gap being huge, given their respective performances against Windu, Kenobi, and Dooku, and Asajj is quite proficient at using TK in duels. I'm not sure who wins.

Im not sure why people say this at all. Nowhere in the canon or the scripts states Dark Side amps is a thing, and nothing stated Ventress was amp. This only comes from people speculation of Legends canon where Dathomire is a dark side nexus. Such nonsense. Canon should always > Legends when considering feats in this case. Canon Ventress whooped Grievous. Also, even from a Legends standpoint, Ventress did way better fighting Grievous than Durge. She bash Grievous back in a pure duel, and only by plot allowed herself to look stupid when Grievous choked her.

Gallery

When she first starts training with Dooku, very early in the Clone Wars, she met the Jedi killing machine General Grievous. GG cheap shots her first by cracking her skull, and slams her into the wall with a staff blow. Scoring two major hits at the start via ambush! However, she gets up and clearly does the most damage to GG, with Durge serving as a nuisance at best, dispatch real easy too. When Durge is decapitated, Ventress attacks in a one on one fair duel, and over powers GG before letting up, where he then chokes her out as she stands there looking shock.

So honestly her preformance on Dathomire is consistent. Again, with no mention of any Dark Side amp being mention unless someone can QOUTE that there was lol.

Darth Maul has always been > Kenobi in the TCW show, yet Kenobi beat Maul and opress at the same time lol. Shit happens.

Proof? Can you show me in the show, script, or any other material where it stated she was AMPED in anyway in the canon show? Any proof other than speculation?

@sirfizzwhizz: Ok, fair enough. I trust you with that. But still GG was capable to beat Obi-Wan who was almost at his prime in fair duel. I think that means something (if we are talking about canon feats). What do you think about it?

1) It took eight to beat him exactly not hundreds or dozens

2) He beat Kenobi in a 1v1 mean while lost to him and other several times (Being force to flee)

Not impressed at all, Grievous total bad ends out number his handful of good ones.

@miss_america_:

I agree with you that's TCW Grievous is a joke when compared to his legends version. I think I'm little bias, because I just like concept of the character. You know excellent strategist genius who has mastered every lightstaber style etc.

@foxerdes: are any of these quotes canon? Also the Maul quote is vague as shit. Nothing clearly stating strength stats etc amp. More a description of the force on the planet related to the witch craft called upon by the mother to me.

There is simply nothing in canon, at all, that force nexus exist and in turn amp characters.

@sirfizzwhizz: The first quote about Maul saying that their connection to the planet is what made the nightsisters strong is canon.

It was in rebels.

Interpret that as you please.

@emperor339: grevious

Legends Grevious would stomp unless Asajj abuses the hell out of the force, and even then she doesn't have the feats to really hurt him with it outside of rage amps. There are statements in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous by Dooku that directly puts Grevious ahead of Ventress and his feats as a duelist are much better. He fodderized Adi Gallia, who was able to hold her own against Savage. He was near stalemating Mace Windu when hindered and broke Obi-Wan Kenobi's guard by attacking so fast he was hitting 20 times per second. A guard Kenobi could only achive by giving himself to the force

As for canon, it honestly depends on how you view the Revenge of the Sith Novelization in comparison to his showings in TCW that make him look like an idiot

GG

Yep :P

GG

Grievous

Its a damn shame, that the woman who has held her own from Dooku trying to kill her a few times, the woman who spared with Mace Windu and escaped him with ease, the woman who has held her own vs Obi Wan and Anakin, the woman who beat the likes of Lumina, Kit Fisto, and other Jedi Masters, the woman who has several times bested Anakin in dueling in early Clone Wars, and even disarm Obi Wan in the canon CGI film during a duel.... its a damn shame she gets so lowballed constantly.

If a strict duel, she might lose. Big maybe. In canon, with no stated amp as other state falsely all the time, she beat Grievous fine after fighting through a army of droids to get to him.

With Force abilities in play, she beats Grievous every time.

@sirfizzwhizz:

I'm interested in hearing Wollf's opinion, since he's a big supporter of Ventress and knowledgeable enough to back it up.

Regardless, Wollf should be throwing out some good Ventress vibes in my Tournament #shamelessselfpromotion

@sirfizzwhizz:

Its a damn shame, that the woman who has held her own from Dooku trying to kill her a few times

held her own? you mean stomped in 20 seconds when they're 1 v 1?

the woman who spared with Mace Windu and escaped him with ease

"escaping with ease" is not a feat.

the woman who has held her own vs Obi Wan and Anakin

Massively pre prime versions of both and she was running away the whole time. When she did take them head on she lost very quickly. She's also been beaten by tcw kenobi and tcw anakin 1 v 1.

the woman who beat the likes of Lumina

By blinding her.

Kit Fisto,

Who she was perfectly suited to fight

the woman who has several times bested Anakin in dueling in early Clone Wars,

Never happened

and even disarm Obi Wan in the canon CGI film during a duel

And she was then thrown back and proceeded "escape easily" aka run away

its a damn shame she gets so lowballed constantly.

Her being placed below grevious is not lowballing.

If a strict duel, she might lose. Big maybe. In canon, with no stated amp as other state falsely all the time, she beat Grievous fine after fighting through a army of droids to get to him.

She was amped

With Force abilities in play, she beats Grievous every time.

The force isn't an autowin vs grevious

@kbroskywalker: I still have no clue why you even debate still. You give SW fans a bad name, and no one responds to your crack pot posts.

For example...

If a strict duel, she might lose. Big maybe. In canon, with no stated amp as other state falsely all the time, she beat Grievous fine after fighting through a army of droids to get to him.

She was amped

Show me where its stated or qouted she was in Canon. Show me. Oh wait you cannot, because this statement is full of shit lol. Like almost 90% of your posts.

@sirfizzwhizz: Read it and weep

The Nightsisters rule was but a memory, but Dathomir remained steeped in dark side powers. Ventress returned to her homeworld with Quinlan Vos to train her lover in dark side magic. After she died, Vos laid her to rest on Dathomir alongside her sisters

http://www.starwars.com/dathomir-history-gallery

Dathomir was a nexus, which would have empowered her

Grievous should win with legend feats

@greysentinel365:

Read it and weep

The Nightsisters rule was but a memory, but Dathomir remained steeped in dark side powers. Ventress returned to her homeworld with Quinlan Vos to train her lover in dark side magic. After she died, Vos laid her to rest on Dathomir alongside her sisters

http://www.starwars.com/dathomir-history-gallery

Dathomir was a nexus, which would have empowered her

Yes, its a place of Force Energy. As was the area of Dagobah that Luke encounter his Vader illusion in ESB. Same for the episode with the Ones that Luke and Obi met.

Now, show me where in CANON sources that this enhances the stats and skill of people like Ventress. Your counter falls flat there, as no source in canon ever mentions so and so being empowered or amped by areas strong in the force, ever to my knowledge, which is what I said to begin with.

This battle is composite

The General stomps

Grievous

And? Just because we are using composite versions does not mean we mix canon specific fights with legend lore and stats. You cannot say Ventress was amped when the fight happen in Disney Canon only, and not held to legends lore when she preform said feat. That was all her as it was meant to be in the show.

Otherwise Gungans are all Jedi Master level beings. After all they beat Grievous in canon, and we are applying Legends logic to the feat lmao. See the issue? If we are arguing Legends versions, then Legends feats should be compared to Legends feats, and not bother using Canon.

Ventress, and she already defeated him before.

Legends Grievous? Yeah... Grievous wins

Ventress "was" amped on Dathomir. DS Nexuses amp Dark Siders and hinder Light siders. LS Nexuses amp Light Siders and hinder Dark Siders. These are basic things, basic "facts" in SW, and just irrefutable no matter how much one tries to get around it.

That said, this could go either way.

General Grievous should take this, but it'd be an incredibly close fight. He's somewhat above her in overall saber-skills, which would be the deciding factor since I don't see Asajj abusing too much of her power against someone as physically dominant as Grievous.

However, it'd be a titanic clash. These two were always portrayed as rivals, so I doubt either would stomp another.

Grievous takes sabers, Ventress stomps Force; as for all-out, it depends on whether Ventress will abuse her Force advantage.