General Grievous runs a 40k Gauntlet

The General

The Gauntlet

1:

Orks

• 5 Slugga Boyz with standard gear

2:

Ogryns

• 5 Bullgryns with standard gear

3:

Necrons

• 10 Warriors with standard gear

4:

Sisters of Battle

• 10 Celestians with standard gear

5:

Space Marines

• 8 Wolf Guard with Terminator Armor and power weapons

6:

Grey Knights

• 8 Grey Knight Paladins with standard gear

7:

Adeptus Custodes

• 5 Custodian Guard with standard gear

8:

Harlequins

• 5 Harlequin Solitaire with standard gear

Rules

• In character
• Refresh and heal between rounds
• EU Grievous
• Win by any means
• Battlefield: Invisible Hand
• No prep
• No knowledge
• Warp=Force

Warp=Force doesn't really matter, and since this is EU I'd say he stops at possibly 3 or 5. @kaijuking thoughts?

Stops for sure 3 or 5. 4 is sadly misplaced.

Stops at 3 or 5, also Custodes>Harlquins

Lol at the one person wanking SW as per usual.

@nicov: @merulezall:

Harlequins above Custodes my ass.

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Dark Angels and TechMarine stomps them.

@kaijuking: I only remember some of them dueling and beating Ahriman and one specific fodder one was capable of squaring up to Ahriman in a duel that was pretty intense, I wasn't sure.

@kaijuking: @merulezall:

Harlequins and Custodes are 'consistently' potrayed as equal. However, i used Solitaire (the elite) and normal Custodes.

Also, using low showings is a bad idea. A novel (Throneworld iirc) had normal Harlequins invading the Imperial Palace, and each one of them slaughtered multiple Custodes.

Depending on starting distance, GG can clear if he can get close fast enough, nobody here can tank a lightsaber.

And seeing him blitzing many notable Jedi I guess it is a good possibility.

@firefly894: or maybe that was a high end. Even on table top Harlequins are not so over top bad ass.

@reaperace said:

Grey knights have The Crux Terminatus, this alone allows them to tank a few hits at least by the General, while the General can possibly get one shotted via their weaponry, so to answer ur question, yes there are people who can tank his hits. I'd imagine Custodes can tank quite well to, due the fact tehir armor and abilities are much higher than SM's as well. He blitzed some lower tier notable jedi and that was about it. He did overwhelm Obi-wan's defenses though, but that was after a prolonged engagement.

Custodes when on the battlefield manage to kill space marine squads rather easily and have heavily killed hundreds and thousands of orks within a few seconds. We know this when the Emperor came down with a thousand of them and they ended up murdering hundreds of thousands of Orks within a few moments. This waaagh was one of the biggest, so the orks themselves were no push overs as well. One custode maybe two should be more than enough in dealing with GG.

@reaperace: lightsabers have the temperature of the sun/a star right?

I think that some of those present could resist it since in WK4 the plasma weapons have this temperature and some armors have come to resist several shots.

Probably Custodes and the like. The Spacemarines own armor, on occasion.

Throughout the generations, lightsaber technology was refined from those first high-maintenance 'captive bolt' lightsabers to the lightweight modern lightsabers, which utilizes a stablized, massless plasma beam that burns as hot and bright as the core of a star.

- SW: Force & Destiny Core Rulebook

Only 40k high tiers like primarchs and leaders, possibly some primaris like Calgar, can tank this and not get sliced.

I am not saying GG can blitz them, I am well aware of Warhammer character speed, but at close range they rely heavily on their armor and bull rush which an opponent as skilled as GG can use this opportunity to shred them like paper.

May I see some scans? I have never seen 40k plasma being mentioned as hot as a star.
If that's the case the outcome is way different.

HA LOL

Plasma Canon, Guns, and Pistols all fire energy pulses that hit targets with spheres of nuclear energies. Energies that reach the temperatures of small suns. Dealing in pure heat and explosive shock damage.

Lascannons fire laser beams that blow holes in the strongest of tanks.

Melta weapons fires a energy beam of Sub Molecular Thermal energies comparable to Microwave Radiation.

Terminator Armour was design to be the most durable armor known. Originally made to work in hyper pressurize plasma cores, these suits are stated to tank even orbital Strikes with some success of protection.

Terminator Armor tanks plasma gun fire with success.

The Marines in Termie armor will tanks Lightsabers EASY! For a time. Thats not including Power Weapons Custodes have to block and parry with.

The Power Weapon(s) are energy field close combat weapons that cuts on the molecular level. Power Weapons take to form of swords, axes, mauls, halberds, any kind of close combat weapon really with a energy field added.

This will block Lightsabers EASY!!!!

Also I doubt Grievous is so much more skilled.

To be a Space Marine, you first must be chosen from your planet to be the best of the best in the range of children to young adult. Some Chapters will hold yearly trials of events to pick the best. Others will hold massive to the death events where last child or young man standing is chosen. To be a Space Marine you must first prove your worth as the best of humanity.

The basics of most Space marine Chapters choosing candidates.

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The trials of Space Wolves Chapter to choose recruits. Throwing out already hard living vikings of their world out into the freezing elements of Fenris. A world filled with wolves larger than men, krakens that can sink ships, and moose that trample armies. All the while implanted with a werewolf like curse, minus the immortality bit, that painfully affects their bodies. They have to survive and find their way back.

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The Blood Angels Chapter holds various tournaments and games of racing through a desert of a radioactive moon. Their aspirants chosen from tribal villages are already sick and dying from radiation poison while competing in games to the death, and surviving the harsh environment of a desert. Those that pass are healed and changed to be Space Marines.

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Raclaw takes on his worlds best in a to the death match. last man standing and inducted into the Black Templar Chapter.

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After the fresh surgeries of the organs, not knowing if they will take or not with the body, Raclaw is given a further test to prove his worth by fending off a mutated human of super strength. All to be worthy as a member of the Black Templar Chapter.

So yes Grievous gets WRECKED at 5 much less Custodes.

@kaijuking said:

@reaperace said:

@nicov said:

@reaperace: lightsabers have the temperature of the sun/a star right?

I think that some of those present could resist it since in WK4 the plasma weapons have this temperature and some armors have come to resist several shots.

Probably Custodes and the like. The Spacemarines own armor, on occasion.

May I see some scans? I have never seen 40k plasma being mentioned as hot as a star.

If that's the case the outcome is way different.

HA LOL

Plasma Canon, Guns, and Pistols all fire energy pulses that hit targets with spheres of nuclear energies. Energies that reach the temperatures of small suns. Dealing in pure heat and explosive shock damage.

Lascannons fire laser beams that blow holes in the strongest of tanks.

Melta weapons fires a energy beam of Sub Molecular Thermal energies comparable to Microwave Radiation.

Terminator Armour was design to be the most durable armor known. Originally made to work in hyper pressurize plasma cores, these suits are stated to tank even orbital Strikes with some success of protection.

Terminator Armor tanks plasma gun fire with success.

The Marines in Termie armor will tanks Lightsabers EASY! For a time. Thats not including Power Weapons Custodes have to block and parry with.

The Power Weapon(s) are energy field close combat weapons that cuts on the molecular level. Power Weapons take to form of swords, axes, mauls, halberds, any kind of close combat weapon really with a energy field added.

This will block Lightsabers EASY!!!!

Also I doubt Grievous is so much more skilled.

To be a Space Marine, you first must be chosen from your planet to be the best of the best in the range of children to young adult. Some Chapters will hold yearly trials of events to pick the best. Others will hold massive to the death events where last child or young man standing is chosen. To be a Space Marine you must first prove your worth as the best of humanity.

The basics of most Space marine Chapters choosing candidates.

Gallery

The trials of Space Wolves Chapter to choose recruits. Throwing out already hard living vikings of their world out into the freezing elements of Fenris. A world filled with wolves larger than men, krakens that can sink ships, and moose that trample armies. All the while implanted with a werewolf like curse, minus the immortality bit, that painfully affects their bodies. They have to survive and find their way back.

Gallery

The Blood Angels Chapter holds various tournaments and games of racing through a desert of a radioactive moon. Their aspirants chosen from tribal villages are already sick and dying from radiation poison while competing in games to the death, and surviving the harsh environment of a desert. Those that pass are healed and changed to be Space Marines.

Gallery

Raclaw takes on his worlds best in a to the death match. last man standing and inducted into the Black Templar Chapter.

Gallery

After the fresh surgeries of the organs, not knowing if they will take or not with the body, Raclaw is given a further test to prove his worth by fending off a mutated human of super strength. All to be worthy as a member of the Black Templar Chapter.

So yes Grievous gets WRECKED at 5 much less Custodes.

Thanks for the scans, really don't get the "HA LOL" but anyways.

@reaperace said:

@kaijuking said:

@reaperace said:

@nicov said:

@reaperace: lightsabers have the temperature of the sun/a star right?

I think that some of those present could resist it since in WK4 the plasma weapons have this temperature and some armors have come to resist several shots.

Probably Custodes and the like. The Spacemarines own armor, on occasion.

May I see some scans? I have never seen 40k plasma being mentioned as hot as a star.

If that's the case the outcome is way different.

HA LOL

Plasma Canon, Guns, and Pistols all fire energy pulses that hit targets with spheres of nuclear energies. Energies that reach the temperatures of small suns. Dealing in pure heat and explosive shock damage.

Lascannons fire laser beams that blow holes in the strongest of tanks.

Melta weapons fires a energy beam of Sub Molecular Thermal energies comparable to Microwave Radiation.

Terminator Armour was design to be the most durable armor known. Originally made to work in hyper pressurize plasma cores, these suits are stated to tank even orbital Strikes with some success of protection.

Terminator Armor tanks plasma gun fire with success.

The Marines in Termie armor will tanks Lightsabers EASY! For a time. Thats not including Power Weapons Custodes have to block and parry with.

The Power Weapon(s) are energy field close combat weapons that cuts on the molecular level. Power Weapons take to form of swords, axes, mauls, halberds, any kind of close combat weapon really with a energy field added.

This will block Lightsabers EASY!!!!

Also I doubt Grievous is so much more skilled.

To be a Space Marine, you first must be chosen from your planet to be the best of the best in the range of children to young adult. Some Chapters will hold yearly trials of events to pick the best. Others will hold massive to the death events where last child or young man standing is chosen. To be a Space Marine you must first prove your worth as the best of humanity.

The basics of most Space marine Chapters choosing candidates.

Gallery

The trials of Space Wolves Chapter to choose recruits. Throwing out already hard living vikings of their world out into the freezing elements of Fenris. A world filled with wolves larger than men, krakens that can sink ships, and moose that trample armies. All the while implanted with a werewolf like curse, minus the immortality bit, that painfully affects their bodies. They have to survive and find their way back.

Gallery

The Blood Angels Chapter holds various tournaments and games of racing through a desert of a radioactive moon. Their aspirants chosen from tribal villages are already sick and dying from radiation poison while competing in games to the death, and surviving the harsh environment of a desert. Those that pass are healed and changed to be Space Marines.

Gallery

Raclaw takes on his worlds best in a to the death match. last man standing and inducted into the Black Templar Chapter.

Gallery

After the fresh surgeries of the organs, not knowing if they will take or not with the body, Raclaw is given a further test to prove his worth by fending off a mutated human of super strength. All to be worthy as a member of the Black Templar Chapter.

So yes Grievous gets WRECKED at 5 much less Custodes.

Thanks for the scans, really don't get the "HA LOL" but anyways.

Im just sick and tired of the SW wank. Tired of the people who promote it. Thats all.

@kaijuking:

Im just sick and tired of the SW wank. Tired of the people who promote it. Thats all.

I have seen some SW wank, but there is more lowball than there is wank.

Common knowledge about SW in these forums is that they are hypersonic at best with building level ap... but you don't see me or other respectable SW debators go around the forums saying HA LOL like we have a gotcha.

They are only hypersonic with mostly building to maybe starship level AP at highest. So....

So there is no reason for us to debate, you clearly either have an agenda or horribly miss informed.

Funny I was a avid SW debater on this site with the many other avid and knowledgeable SW fans years past, and for Spacebattles too for years. 2016 to 2018 actually, all I did was debate, read, watch, and play SW.

Im very inform and have no agenda unlike you wankers. Thats all.

Sure sure

Yup yup.

I am saying that's common knowledge, therefore there is massive lowball between people who are not informed.

Just when DC fanboys think Goku is Sups level. ( yes they still exist)

More people voted SW max destruction is Building to Mountain area, more so than Country to Planet. LOL

Yeah @eredin12 Im a minority in how I think sure.

@kaijuking: @eredin12 I know nothing of WH40k, how strong is the verse? Speed, AP and etc?

After seeing the feats above I think Marines could damage GG if they hit him. I dunno if they can hit someone who is a good deal in the FTL range like Grievous is, though.

5 Ogryns might be enough. It only takes one of them to land a shot, either with their ripper or whatever melee weapon they have. They aren’t the best shots, but when they’re shooting autmoatic shotguns, with massive shells, and fire multiple shells with each shot, and there are 5 of them shooting, even a speedy character is going to get hit by just the massive amount of projectiles covering an area.

It only takes one of them to smash him too. They’re so dumb, they would just punch through lightsabers, and not worry about the damage they take. Nork Deddog once had to go get a medkit. There was a medkit inside of a tank, so instead of getting it out of the tank, he just dragged the entire tank with him. Anyone who can carry a tank, should be able to smash grievous if they land a hit. If they have any of their melee weapons, they have a massive reach advantage too.

I’d say it’s probably 5/10, since the Ogryns are so dumb, but they have the power to seriously hurt Grievous in a single attack, and there are 5 of them.

Silly Ogryns.

I also like how on Spacebattles a Legend Greivous is losing to a single Space Marine in Ragnar Blackmane.

The SW wanking friends cant catch a break lol.

I won't comment on this battle's outcome since I don't know WH40K, but the sentence above is laughable since grievous atomized a jedi in a hit and his legs no sold the impact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIj7gIDFDe47

See 2:46

@somedud: Why would 10’ tall giants aim for legs? Obi Wan was able to pull apart Griveous’ chest armor with his bare hands, and that’s where all the parts are that will kill Grievous if they get crushed.

@kaijuking: LOL

@kaijuking: shouldn't the Necrons (round 3) be higher? GG probably stops there

He's laughing because you just tried to say you're well aware of WH, and yet you clearly arent because he just gave you a list of how WH characters can indeed tank similar power and scale as shown by what the General wields, all while the General is going to die to most weapons here.

The fact you also believe somehow General G has superior skill is beyond laughable along with the fact you assume everyone bush rushes, which is literally the dumbest statement ever made so far in this thread. Eldar Harlequin are known for being very evasive and aren't known for their strength, but their speed and skill with their weapons. Necrons simply observe, shot, and move on. The only people rushing in this thread are the first two rounds. Everyone else plays by ear as even Sisters of Battle long discussed in this thread,

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/terran-dominion-starcraft-vs-sisters-of-battle-wh4-1594880/

Have been explained they prefer range over melee. When they first encountered space marines they never decided to engage in h2h combat, if it happened though they would do so, although it barely did or the siege on Terra between them and the SM's would of ended very long ago.

We don't lack knowledge, in fact I've pointed out several times as to why Jedi aren't light speed despite your high wank fest. We aren't biased as we've debated for SW characters in the past, but to sit here and cherry pick the possibly highest feats and call them normal is beyond laughable. Remember the time you tried to pass off that every padawan was capable of pulling this off?

Oh, I wonder if they applied it in their fight against General Grievous...

Huh odd they didn't. They even tried throwing objects at him and all those objects thrown everyone in this thread could literally tank what was being thrown.

Oh i know, what about the times the Jedi applied the force push on where he'd be hopping next,

Huh such power, such wow. Remind me, why didn't they just you know force blast him away like darth maul did?

Or when the dude was huffing and puffing trying to slow down the General, why couldn't someone just lift him up and toss him into the sky?

I know these are different lores as ones is legends and the other is canon, but the results are still one in the same. Jedi are either very stupid and choose to engage into melee 95% of the time or they simply aren't as strong as you and the few other wankers make them out to be.

Point is, @tparks@kaijuking myself and many others aren't buying your garbage arguments in both the Witcher and Star Wars aspect. The fact you believe General Grievous sneezes through this because he's facing fodder is a very poor way of arguing. Some settings just naturally stronger than others and this is one of those cases. General Grievous could beat some of the rounds, but he certainly isnt clearing, nor is he blitzing. Unlike Flashy Flash and Sonic who can easily blitz vader. :)

General G didn't atomize him, simply crushed him and the editors chose to edit him out for whatever reason. Because by your scaling stuff like shown down below

Shouldn't be happening if this was the case. Slamming clones into walls, throwing jedi at meh speeds, breaking a jedi's neck, merely kicking and sending one flying, etc. None of this should happen if General G was truly capable of atomizing someone like the jedi we saw.

General G isnt also fighting at FTL speed either. He's not capable of doing this down below

So again no General G lacks feats to suggest he can be atomized and his durability is straight up garbage. The dude literally has his frame pulled back by Obi Wan and then murked by a blaster.

• punched obi wan sending him back, but fails to even one shot his own starship.
• Obi Wan rips open his armor while Grievous just stands there like an idiot.
• fails to make even the slightest dents in the ground as he tries to stomp Obi wan.
• Get's injured once and stares at obi wan as he growls only to get murked on the spot. Couldn't even evade the blaster shots implying hes again not FTL.

Overall Ripper shots and punches from Ogryns would indeed hurt the General if they manage to land them. I think they're personally too stupid to do so, but that's just my thoughts on them.

@eredin12: i love how all your arguments is mental gymnastics involving hyperbole and scaling. Never actual feats shown lolol. Epic fail as per the norm.

@eredin12: invincible has feats of flying through a planets denser than earth layers including the destabilize solid nickle core. He has flown ftl speeds and mesurable speeds on earth of near light speed. He has re arrange mountains too before that. Survive state size plasma attacks from Omega Jacket. Tank city vaporising attacks ease. He has in short feats to support his statements and scaling. Best part he has only 160 comics to his name.

Vader or Sidious has 100s of comics, dozen films, dozens of games, hundreds of novels, and more media yet never busted or survive on panel or screen what Mark has.

This is why you lose. This is why you suck as a debater 😜. Sorry, not sorry.

@eredin12 said:

@kaijuking:

@eredin12: invincible has feats of flying through a planets denser than earth layers including the destabilize solid nickle core.

Monsterverse Godzilla blasted Kaiju sized hole in planet, all the way to core and that was calculated as only country level, not to mention that only reason they could even fly through core is fact that laser heavily weakened it, otherwise they would die

While even Nihilus on the other hand, who is fodder to either Vader or Sidious, can destroy surface of the planet with force of his dark side blast, per writer himself, on panel Fizz:

Rest of fodder stuff and travel speed is not even wroth mentioning really.

Anakin/Vader made small planet sized explosion on panel as well

Anyway i think that was enough derailing of the thread, i proved what i wanted here.

The sun feat your showing debunks itself actually. The size of the star to the ship escape pod debunks itself LMAO. All Anakin did was nudge its direction to the gravity of the star. A star SOOOO close to Anakin ship he can visually see the pod hit it lmao. You failed on this feat many times and been called out on iot many times.

Nihilus force drain life of a planet means what? Nothing. He did not bust the planet.

Also your feats not only unreliable with hundreds of authors and writers contradicting eachother, but your feats are flimsy and not clear cut. At least mark has one writer/owner who opinions and statements matter lmao.

Try harder.