Gear 4th Snakeman Luffy vs BSM Naruto

@decaf_kage: how is that cav coming up [I just finished kizaru and I'm almost done with fujitora then on for the long part aokiji and akainu :(

Naruto high diff. Its a close one.

I’m not sure how powerful current luffy is But his dressrosa G4 was at least Island Level.

Naruto in BM tanked Juubi Multi Mountain laser. It also overpowered a combined blast of 5 mountain busters. BM Naruto is at least island level. Now adding in Sage Mode boost is more than a 4 times boost considering KN0 Chakra boosted Kakashi Chakra Level times 3.

BSM is at least large island to small country.

Naruto should take this mid-diff at worst.

I think the problem with this thread is that people are overselling No Avatar BSM Naruto, and underselling snakeman. Clone spam isn't a factor as Luffy can clear them with conqueror's Haki, Naruto can't really dodge Jet culverin either. He was able to dodge the raikage's punch, but not only was that a close dodge, the punch that he dodged was a linear attack. Meanwhile, Jet culverin will attack him at any possible angle at insanely high speeds, heck even Katakuri who had future sight couldn't dodge them, showing how insane it is. Naruto's best attack at this level is rasenshuriken, but Jet culverin will land faster than that attack, and even if Naruto were to somehow land it Luffy should be able to tank given his durability feats.

@gohandorado: Things wrong with your post.

1.) Naruto in a MUCH slower form dodged the Raikage.

2.) Naruto's clones have the same mind as Naruto so Haki won't do anything.

3.) Naruto is multiple times faster than Kata.

@decaf_kage: can I get tagged for that CAV?

BSM Naruto still stomps with KA restricted.

@decaf_kage:

1) I understand sage mode is stat boost making this statement true, but it's not a significant boost in speed. It also won't help him dodge Luffy's omnidirectional attacks.

2) Clones lack sentience and aren't actual people. Not to mention they have low durability, the Conq wave would be more than enough to deal with them.

3) Again doesn't matter. Kata's speed wasn't giving Luffy trouble it was the fact that he could predict where Luffy would attack next. If a guy who could predict the future was getting tagged by snake, I seriously doubt Naruto can.

@gohandorado:

1.) It's not just Sage Mode, Naruto in KCM was stealing parts of Kurama's Chakra, in BM Naruto and Kurama fused chakra's, in BSM Naruto has all of Kurama's chakra plus SM. And it does in fact boost him massively. KCM is only Raikage+ Tier in speed BSM is Juubito tier in speed. What omnidirectional attacks? How does Luffy not die from RS?

2.) They do have minds lmao the clones are Naruto. He literally shares what they experience. Haki will do nothing.

3.) Naruto is massively faster than Kata and can also predict attacks. Luffy won't land anything significant.

Naruto still has this https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Mini-Tailed_Beast_Ball

It’s pointless in arguing with Narutards they will not accept the on piece feats and downplay, it’s literally o point in arguing with them

I’d rather debate fairytards than no braincell people

Naruto

Still Naruto because time limit

Naruto.

Luffy ragdolls

Probably Naruto.

Luffy if it's current. If this is wci Luffy, then Naruto.

luffy

Naruto should one-shots with bijuudama, though current Luffy could win

@d1111212: The same Luffy that walked through Kaido's blast breath? Not happening.

@exauce: I said current Luffy would win, I was referring to WCI Luffy. Read the post first before you start wanking

@d1111212: Ur post doesn't say WCI, neither does the OP.

@exauce: The OP says Snakeman Luffy vs BSM Naruto

@d1111212: Snakeman Luffy =/= WCI Luffy.

It just a form.

@exauce: The only time Luffy has ever used Snakeman is WCI, the thread is clearly referring to WCI Luffy

@d1111212: Yea so? It not like he can't currently use it, it a form he can asset anytime he wants, it not a one-time thing.

The thread is referring to Luffy plain simple, or he have would specify an arc.

@exauce: I never said it was a one time thing, but he hasn’t used it since, and specifying a form he only used during one fight is enough to assume the arc, a thread about Snakeman would refer to WCI Luffy, arguing that current Snakeman would beat BSM Naruto is arguing for your own headcanon.

Also, a fully charged Bijuudama could one-shot current Luffy too, or at least do serious damage

@d1111212:

I never said it was a one time thing, but he hasn’t used it since, and specifying a form he only used during one fight is enough to assume the arc, a thread about Snakeman would refer to WCI Luffy, arguing that current Snakeman would beat BSM Naruto is arguing for your own headcanon.

You sure sound like it, doesn't mean Snakeman's form has to be from that arc, Nope, He specified the arc for Naruto but didn't specify the arc for Luffy so yea it enough to assume he is not just talking about WCI arc, a thread about Snakeman isn't referring to WCI unless specify, it one his form, not a one-time thing. If current Base Luffy can take him Current Snake-man Luffy would also take him.

Also, a fully charged Bijuudama could one-shot current Luffy too, or at least do serious damage

A baseless claim that is not needed.

@d1111212:

Except "current Snakeman Luffy" is fan fiction, BSM Naruto's arc needs to be specified because he has appeared more than once. Luffy used Snakeman once, a thread about Snakeman refers to Snakeman Luffy, which appeared once. "Current Snakeman" is headcanon

Except it ain't Snake-man Luffy is a form, a form he is more than capable of using, And Current Base Luffy would stomp WCI Snakeman Luffy he also needs to be specified. Agree, a thread about snake-man refers to snake-man Luffy, meaning Luffy in snake-man regardless of arc. Except it not a headcanon he can still use the form, there is no headcanon involve in a form he can use.

Except the argument started with you saying Luffy could tank a Bijuudama because he tanked Kaido's blast breath, which he didn't do during WCI

Expect that argument wasn't brought up for six straight posts, Yea something Snake-man would Luffy naturally scales to.

@d1111212:

Except "Current Snakeman" is not a thing. It only appeared during Luffy's fight against Katakuri, a thread about Snakeman refers to Luffy when he was in his Snakeman form. He was in Snakeman during WCI. I shouldn't have to argue about whether a thread refers to fan fic or an actual thing

Expect the form still exist, so Yea it a thing. So? that doesn't mean it not a thing, Yea Luffy in Snakeman form. And can still go Snakeman, against it not a one-time thing, it not Nightmare Luffy. And I shouldn't have to argue about Snakeman still being a thing and act like current Luffy doesn't have it.

Because you were making ridiculous claims of Snakeman Luffy referring to current Luffy

How does that explain why you brought it up? And Yea Luffy in Snakeman would naturally scale to his current strength, Lol it his own power.

@exauce:

Expect the form still exist, so Yea it a thing. So? that doesn't mean it not a thing, Yea Luffy in Snakeman form. And can still go Snakeman, against it not a one-time thing, it not Nightmare Luffy. And I shouldn't have to argue about Snakeman still being a thing and act like current Luffy doesn't have it.

When a thread is made about a specific version of a character that appeared only once, and that appearance was nearly two years ago, you use feats from that version of the character, you do not make fan theories about how strong it would be if it was used by the current version of the character

How does that explain why you brought it up? And Yea Luffy in Snakeman would naturally scale to his current strength, Lol it his own power.

I was trying to get back on topic, and no, a WCI form would not scale to current Luffy

@d1111212:

When a thread is made about a specific version of a character that appeared only once, and that appearance was nearly two years ago, you use feats from that version of the character, you do not make fan theories about how strong it would be if it was used by the current version of the character

Expect that that isn't a version of a character but a form (transformation) of a character, time of appearance doesn't matter, Yes and you also use feat from the character when gets stronger, there is no fan theory cuz the character got stronger, it not a version it a transformation. You call it a fan theory if we were talking about Nightmare Luffy but this a form he can still use and has no problem doing so.

I was trying to get back on topic, and no, a WCI form would not scale to current Luffy

No need for that, and Yes Snake-man form scale to current Luffy, just like any of his form would scale to his base.

Imaging thinking Luffy power amp doesn't scale to his strength LOl.

@exauce:

Expect that that isn't a version of a character but a form (transformation) of a character, time of appearance doesn't matter, Yes and you also use feat from the character when gets stronger, there is no fan theory cuz the character got stronger, it not a version it a transformation. You call it a fan theory if we were talking about Nightmare Luffy but this a form he can still use and has no problem doing so.

Doesn't change anything, the thread clearly refers to WCI Luffy

No need for that, and Yes Snake-man form scale to current Luffy, just like any of his form would scale to his base.

No need to be on topic? Yikes

By on panel feats, BSM Naruto will win.

@d1111212:

Doesn't change anything, the thread clearly refers to WCI Luffy

No, it not clearly referring to WCI Luffy.

No need to be on topic? Yikes

Yep. Anyway, I'm out.

As for the first panel of the explosion on luffy that’s taken out of context because apoo abilities are sound based and once anyone hears the attack u get damaged.

So even naruto would get hurt by apoos attack it bypasses you’re durability.

Even kizaru was surprised that he got cut and exploded by apoo.

Apoo is actually pretty broken 😵u just need to hear his first move and u get sliced and blown up.

As for the rest naruto barely dodged madaras light fang attack. This tells me that base form luffy is already faster. Now to be fair we can equalize there speed but even if that’s done gear 4th snake man accelerates each time naruto dodges or uses shadow clone so eventually the hits will land.

And since this is blood listed luffy which is very rare the only time he killed people was in impel down throwing the guards into boiling pits.

He will go all out same will naruto but like death battle shown with sanji vs rock Lee speed is definitely everything. Add luffy future sight and he’s always a step ahead knowing when narutos gonna charge an attack ans stopping him before so.

Knowing which are clones and which is the real one ☝️ is another great strategy on luffy.

Having ryou is a REALLY GOOD DECISION FOR THE W ryou allowing u to attack the opponents internal organs without physical contact. Actually this reminds me of sage mode punch that naruto did to pain except add the fact that it bypasses Durability and that same punch would of disrupted the brain 🧠

The benefits of fear 4th is also its durability tank man especially which is filled with armament haki.

Which in dc terms. Is like the green lanterns will power stuff.

Haki is a will vs will battle who has the greatest wil to triumph. And of course how will u apply you’re will that manifested into some strange dark tangible substance.

Haki can be compared to astas anti magic except haki isn’t just anti devil fruit it works against pretty much anything natural or unnatural.

This is proven time and time again throughout the story.

Mihawk tells zoro you’re swords have broken once before haven’t they? Zoro answers yes welll that’s because they aren’t black if u cost them and make them black swords using haki they become unbreakable. Against physical attacks elemental attacks and especially devil fruit attacks.

We also seen armament haki ushered survibe point blank nukes ZEPHER GOT NUKED POINT BLANK AND JUST THREW ON SOME HAKI

Pell survived a nuke to the face because of haki if u got the will to live u can live.

Kinda some broken fate shit but yea

Luffys gear 4th which is mostly laced in haki survived kaidos blast breath to the face.

So if it comes down to it he should be capable of tanking bijou bomb 💣

Other than that I give luffy speed and endurance

Bumping this old topic. I got a new point of discussion.

BSM Naruto is not 6th Paths Naruto correct, yes? So this feat:

Can't be tied to BSM Naruto. I should also point out that this feat is generally as a FTL feat despite Naruto seeing the inhale and it being a swipe right to left kinda of beam attack but hey, shitting animators be shitting at times.

However, many argue this feat:

Is not a FTL feat despite shitting animators again changing this to having Luffy dodge 3 beams instead of 1 compared to the manga. The main reasoning is because of Observation Haki somehow cheapens the feat.

I'd like for those folks to take a close look at BSM's eyes:

Now now don't get lost in those pretty orange eyes. I'd like to point you all to this page:

Sage mode grants Naruto a larger and faster danger sense ability. It is basically equal to Observation Haki. BSM Naruto and Sage of 6th Paths Naruto both have the Sage mode eyes, which means they both have the danger sense ability and it makes sense given his performance in battle. Funny enough Baryon Naruto does not.

With that said this means both light speed feats are the same.

Luffy blitzes and oneshots

Any version of Luffy post dressrosa negs any version of Naruto that is not six paths/eos naruto

Depends, could go either way.

If Naruto attempts to engage in CQC, Luffy wins. Luffy's strength absolutely outdoes Naruto's.

If Naruto resorts to bijuudamas/big energy attacks, he wins. But given Luffy's speed and range with his various attacks, Naruto being able to keep his distance seems unlikely.

If both were bloodlusted, I'd be inclined to say BSM Naruto as that means immediate bijuudama with Kurama cloak.

In most scenarios, I'd say Luffy, especially if current and with conqueror's haki. Naruto wins 2/10 for the times he does manage a few bijuudamas.

@hentekorin: No, he doesnt. Its extremely even and a close match. Literally everyone in this thread agrees, also ITS A YEAR OLD THREAD? Why bring it back dude

Luffy stomps

Luffy no diffs

Luffy

Naruto bags him