Garou vs Tomura Shigaraki (Current Manga)

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#51  Edited By Wot_m8

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It's the usual OPM hype. As soon as OPM is involved, people tend to lose brain cells and just randomly start shouting as to how "CHARACTER X BLITLZES LOL GG NO RE F PHYSICALS!!"

With this much distance, no way in hell Garou can blitz Shigaraki before he releases a city-wide decay. Even if he does blitz him, the decay will kill him regardless. Also, this, "Muh Garou durability" is probably the stupidest argument I've heard in a while... and the attempt to label Decay as NLF by bringing up Thanos is just sad. A bloodsucking tick living on Thanos' body has better durability than OPM verse. They don't compare.

OT: Shigaraki kills Garou no question whatsoever. The real question is whether Garou can blitz Shigaraki before he gets dusted.

Whats wrong with that? They can bring up Old King Thor too. Why not? If its actually breaking down all solids regardless of durability he can dust both.

Because Thanos and Garou are like 10 tiers apart. Using Thanos to claim Decay wouldn't work on him so it shouldn't on Garou is faulty logic and strawman. Garou and Shigaraki are in the same ballpark, so, unless Garou has anti-disintegration feats, he dies.

Claiming NLF only works if the character is simply too absurdly powerful against whatever hax he is paired with... example, King Thor vs Shigaraki. In this case, if I were to claim "Decay GG" it would be NLF due to the absurd power difference.

So, yes, if you wish to argue Garou can survive a hax that ignores durability, you have to provide anti said hax feats.

Thats irrelevant. The argument was, the durability did not matter due to the nature of the attack which is indeed a NLF (unless there is a source). Saying decay would work on Garou, who is commonly claimed to be more durable than the entire MHA verse (not true imo), without giving a reason/feats and solely basing it on "thats the nature of the power" is the same as doing it againts OKT. If it ignores durability it doesnt matter if the durability of the opponent is a million times better than a human or octillions of times better.

Wrong on all accounts. Decay does ignore durability and NFL only works if there is a huge power difference and Garou does not have better durability than the entire MHA verse. Giantomachia collapsed a whole mountain on himself and no sold it.

Bringing characters who can fart away OPM verse to downplay a hax to which you have no answer is again, sad. Not to mention, both Thor and Thanos have resisted disintegration on numerous accounts so your argument is once again, null and void by default.

1-> Your NLF argument doesn't work because Garou does not have a huge durability or power advantage.

2-> Characters you bring up have no relation to Garou and are so hilariously above OPM that using them as a defense is just bad debating and sad. Also, it simply shows you have absolutely zero answer or counter to Decay.

3-> The mere idea that Decay shouldn't work on Thanos so it wouldn't work on Garou is so laughable that I am almost tempted so simply ignore this entire conversation.

4-> Using your stupid logic, Garou's punches wouldn't harm Thanos, therefore, they are NLF and wouldn't harm Shigaraki.

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I don't think Shigaraki would struggle to decay Garou. Even if you want to argue Shigaraki hasn't decayed anyone as durable as Garou it can be argued Garou has never resisted a power like decay. So that sort of argument goes both ways. I'm also pretty skeptical Garou would even be to durable for Shigaraki given how much solid rock Shigaraki did decay. Not only that but Shigaraki was decaying High-End's as well and Crust who has a hardening quirk.

Shigaraki actually does have a lot of DC compared to a lot of threats in One Punch Man. What he lacks at the moment (compared to most OPM characters) is speed, durability beyond blunt force resistance, and an effective way to fight flyers. A lot of this will probably change when he fights Endeavor.

Regardless Garou should still win here. If he isn't fast enough to out right blitz Shigaraki from that distance he could always throw something at him. Even if it doesn't kill Shigaraki he just needs to momentarily stop his decay to get in close.

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He's currently strong enough to beat up Darkshine so its not like he can't throw things far. I also wouldn't be shocked if Garou is fast and agile enough to jump off of falling debris from buildings Shigaraki decays if he has to.

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#54  Edited By Coadamol

Garou blitz and one shots no one in mha is even supersonic out side of all might in travel speed and thats from a movie with wanked feats, as for the ppl who says decay ignores durability go look when he did it there is a literal big ass metal chunk along with pipes and stuff hes standing on and other metal pieces scattered around the place his power dosent fully ignore durability.

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and even if it did he aint touching garou anyway and even if he did what's preventing garou from instantly adapting to his power making it useless espically that black matter covering him.

Even BOS garou would easily blitz and one shot him if he isnt too far away lmao

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@coadamol said:

Garou blitz and one shots no one in mha is even supersonic out side of all might in travel speed and thats from a movie with wanked feats

There are other characters outside of All Might who are supersonic and there's even hypersonic feats for All Might and another character named 6.

as for the ppl who says decay ignores durability go look when he did it there is a literal big ass metal chunk along with pipes and stuff hes standing on and other metal pieces scattered around the place his power dosent fully ignore durability.

Are you talking about this?

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It's fairly obvious that he has some degree of control over where the Decaying crack lines travel, he didn't want to destroy this machine as it holds the quirk erasing bullets plus his upgrade was interrupted by the Hero's so he didn't wanna destroy his upgrade tank either.

The idea that he couldn't destroy this stuff here when everything else in the Doctors lab was made of the same stuff shows you don't know what you're on about.

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If Garou is too far away

He gets decayed easily

Shigaraki's wave of decay would fuck him up

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@wot_m8 said:

Wrong on all accounts. Decay does ignore durability and NFL only works if there is a huge power difference and Garou does not have better durability than the entire MHA verse. Giantomachia collapsed a whole mountain on himself and no sold it.

Bringing characters who can fart away OPM verse to downplay a hax to which you have no answer is again, sad. Not to mention, both Thor and Thanos have resisted disintegration on numerous accounts so your argument is once again, null and void by default.

1-> Your NLF argument doesn't work because Garou does not have a huge durability or power advantage.

2-> Characters you bring up have no relation to Garou and are so hilariously above OPM that using them as a defense is just bad debating and sad. Also, it simply shows you have absolutely zero answer or counter to Decay.

3-> The mere idea that Decay shouldn't work on Thanos so it wouldn't work on Garou is so laughable that I am almost tempted so simply ignore this entire conversation.

4-> Using your stupid logic, Garou's punches wouldn't harm Thanos, therefore, they are NLF and wouldn't harm Shigaraki.

If it ignores durability, the durability of the opponent does not matter by definition no matter how large of a gap.

I already said Garou being more durable than entire MHA verse is wrong learn to read, thats not my argument. I only corrected the claim of durability ignoring hax ignoring durability except sometimes it doesnt(?) which was your claim.

When did Thor or Thanos resist disintegration that ignores durability? Also if it failed that only proves it did not ignore durability to begin with.

1- Its not my argument. My only argument is purely basing it on a thing like "it breaks down all solids" instead of using the powers actual feats is NLF. It can kill Garou by feats too.

2- Again i only gave those examples because of claims of decay ignoring durability altogether.

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4- WTF? Did i say garou can kill anything with punches or some other thing that would imply no limits to his power?

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We don't know what powers Shigaraki may have aside from decay now. We also don't know if he's become enhanced physically. His fight with Endeavor should give us some idea on all of that, so I'll wait until that happens.

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#59  Edited By Rizaadxn

@soimme: he is enhanced physically to some degree, at the very least durability wise, as his body is able to handle his large scale Decay blasts. That was partly the reason for his upgrade, so his hardware (body) could handle the memory (quirk)

We've just gotta see what kind of new feats he can get now.

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@rizaadxn: you're just making assumptions and talking outta your ass now . Nothing suggests he can control whats decayed whats not.

And no no one in mha is hypersonic not even wanked all might and 6 best feat is being able to hit 8 times quickly thats not fast

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@rizaadxn: I dont think its healthy to engage with Coadamol.

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@megafanflash: true lmao. You just have to look at his forum posts to see how deluded he is.

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#63  Edited By WorldsGreatest

Garou wins.

He's MHS and bare minimum city level. He blitzes his verse just 4 fun.

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@coadamol: official translations just dropped, you can't argue with this:

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@rizaadxn: keep telling that to yourself, sucks how majority of ppl agree that garou neg diff him and anyone in mha in this hread and literally every other thread that existed

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I love how every fan base has that “one” guy

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What are we debating ?

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@coadamol: He blitzed KnuckleDuster from at least 100 meters away but okay.

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@bink_69: it can be quite amusing.

@coadamol said:

@rizaadxn: keep telling that to yourself, sucks how majority of ppl agree that garou neg diff him and anyone in mha in this hread and literally every other thread that existed

A reminder of what I said earlier in the thread ↓

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Garou, no feats to suggest Shigaraki can even react to Garou.

All I'm saying is that your attempts to say Shigaraki can't Decay things that are more durable, or that he can't control what he Decays and what he doesn't Decay is all but disproven right there on panel.

But alas, the great Coadamol's decision making can not be wavered. To believe that a character from another verse could possibly beat anyone from One Punch Man goes against your very being, it is your destiny to spread the word of how any One Punch Man character stomps the other character that they have been fated to battle against.

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@thelemonadestan: it was an even further distance, at least 250 metres but don't bother, you could explain in detail how the O'clock quirk works and how it makes the wielder Hypersonic but he'll continue to deny it.

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"Claims shigaraki can't decay steel"

*Shigaraki just decayed a entire hospital, a hill, and most of a town with a light touch*

"But he can't pick what is decayed!"

*official scan has shigaraki saying he has that exact ability now, with evidence none the less*

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Garou up to this point probably outclasses him in stats overall, but all of that is irrelevant when he's going up against someone that ignores durability with an ability that travels pretty far in a short period of time.

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Yeah, hype up Garou all you want if Shigaraki got his hands on Garou he’s dead. He’s not surviving being decayed.

@coadamol said:

Garou blitz and one shots no one in mha is even supersonic out side of all might in travel speed and thats from a movie with wanked feats, as for the ppl who says decay ignores durability go look when he did it there is a literal big ass metal chunk along with pipes and stuff hes standing on and other metal pieces scattered around the place his power dosent fully ignore durability.

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and even if it did he aint touching garou anyway and even if he did what's preventing garou from instantly adapting to his power making it useless espically that black matter covering him.

Even BOS garou would easily blitz and one shot him if he isnt too far away lmao

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1. Saying no one in MHA is supersonic is laughably false.

2. Garou has no feats to say he can adapt it to it. And even if he could he would have to experience it, and that would require Shigaraki for some reason to stop decaying him for him to magically adapt(something he can’t do anyway).

3. Garou at the start of his hero hunt gets destroyed, not even debatable. In fact he only has the feats to start winning in his encounter with the A/B class heroes and onward.

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#74  Edited By TheWatcherKing

@worldsgreatest said:

Garou wins.

He's MHS and bare minimum city level. He blitzes his verse just 4 fun.

How is he MHS? Or city level? I can see at best his durability being on that scale but his strength feats are nowhere near that.

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#75  Edited By Bink_69

How the hell is Garou adapting to getting his cells literally disintegrated....

I mean I agree he wins but come on lol

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With this starting distance, most opm characters die horribly, garou is no exception.

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Shigaraki still wins here

His decay is just too op currently

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#78  Edited By Garobesthero1

Garou wins easily

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Garou has regen he wins

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@garobesthero1: Yeah, Garou's regen is really impressive.

By the way, have you read the latest MHA chapters?

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@zuriel-el:Garou is taking hits from Darkshine like nothing who would flex and Shigaraki dies.

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#83  Edited By Megafanflash

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@zuriel-el: Garou is taking hits from Darkshine like nothing who would flex and Shigaraki dies.

Thing is, you could likely defend your position a bit if you tried but you'd need to come up with an example or substantiate your view.

For example, provide an example of Darkshine flexing doing more damage than this:

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Which is a significantly weaker version of Shigaraki than we have in the series now. He also fought Gigantomachia for days, which is able to do this (as a side effect from an attack):

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#84  Edited By Garobesthero1

@megafanflash: Wow they did something beggining of the series Genos did but on a smalelr scale.

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#85  Edited By Megafanflash

@garobesthero1: That's not an answer or substantiation to your last argument. You're claiming Darkshine is so powerful that he effortlessly could do something as hyberbolic as flex, move or push (being a bit generous with you here) and Shigaraki dies instantly.

I'm only asking for a simple example or explanation of why you hold this position.

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@megafanflash: Darkshine can kill monsters as strong as Sea King with a light touch.
Who would probably be top tier in MHA.

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#87  Edited By Megafanflash

@garobesthero1: Sure, could you still provide an example where Darkshine effortlessly did more damage then what Shigaraki's been seen to handle?

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@megafanflash: So by your logic Sea King arc Genos one shots Darkshine?
He is known more for durability that's why the attack that managed to break Elder Centipede shell didn't work on him.
But he still can't beat Elder Centipede cuz of regen.

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@megafanflash: So by your logic Sea King arc Genos one shots Darkshine?

He is known more for durability that's why the attack that managed to break Elder Centipede shell didn't work on him.

But he still can't beat Elder Centipede cuz of regen.

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean? We're specifically talking about Darkshine effortlessly being able to instantly kill Shigaraki with a non-serious attack/move. We're not discussing Darkshine's durability.

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@megafanflash: I already told you he can one shot demon monters like nothing.

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#91  Edited By Megafanflash

@garobesthero1: If i recall correctly, Darkshine was able to break Garou's ribs and severely damage him. Not even Rower dealt damage on the same level (physically). But this was with one of his strongest attacks, leaving this as a result:

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This is one of his strongest attacks, and you're currently claiming he could do something like this effortlessly?:

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I understand your original position is based on the "Kill demons with a light touch" statement, but that's some of the vaguest information we have access to, so lets use their actual showings.

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#93  Edited By Megafanflash

@garobesthero1 said:

@megafanflash: And you think that is hurting Garou?

I'm so confused. You're not following your own argument through.

Your position is that Darkshine could effortlessly oneshot Shigaraki. That is what you're out to substantiate.

My position is that Shigaraki has dealt with damage above what Darkshine can provide unless using a serious attack or move. Hence not being able to oneshot Shigaraki by simply flexing, or a slight move etc.

Also, as a sidenote since it didn't seem like you've read it. Check the latest MHA chapter regarding Shigaraki's regen.

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@megafanflash: Dude Darkshine is too big to fight like Garou or PPP fight that's why he throws punches like that.

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It is much closer now. Not sure if a blitz is on the table and if garou can put shigaraki down quickly. It’s still debatable I feel given garou is so much faster and has strength equal to darkshine. The only thing now is he might not one shot but if he is relentless shigaraki might not get a counter attack.

Than again if shigaraki is faster now he has a better shot of reacting to a blitz especially given the distance in the OP.

I think it’s a good idea to maybe see more of them. All though they both have the potential to get stronger or reveal some new ability or technique.

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Ive changed my mind given Shigaraki has all of All For One’s quirks. Shigaraki wins

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@jashro44: What makes you think Shiggy is anywhere near Hypersonic? Garou's way faster than Mach 5 so he has all the time in the world to observe the mechanics of Shiggy's quirk before he decides to rip him to shreds