Garou (OPM) runs a Kengan gauntlet!

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Rules

  • Omega & Asura feats for Kengan characters
  • Manga & anime skill feats for Garou (no WWCIF as it's a GG)
  • Stats equalised to Kengan characters level
  • Win by death/KO/Surrender
  • Fights take place in the Kengan Dome
  • In character
  • No knowledge

Gauntlet

  1. "The Man from the Land of Dreams" -- Nezu Masami
  2. "The Giant Killer" -- Kaneda Suekichi
  3. "The Faceless Man" -- Chiba Takayuki
  4. "The Watchman" -- Nikaido Ren
  5. "The Icy Emperor" -- Himuro Ryo
  6. "The Black Phantom" -- Inaba Ryo
  7. "Hell's Angel" -- Sekiyabashi Jun
  8. "The Exterminating Vicar" -- Mokichi Robinson
  9. "The King of Stranglers" -- Imai Cosmo
  10. "The Wild Tiger" -- Wakatsuki Takeshi
  11. "The King of Combat" -- Okubo Naoya
  12. "The Genocider" -- Muteba Gizenga
  13. "The Thai God of War" -- Gaolang Wongsawat
  14. "The Executioner" -- Akoya Seishu
  15. "The Devil" -- Kure Raian
  16. "The Beautiful Beast" -- Kiryu Setsuna
  17. "The Floating Cloud" -- Hatsumi Sen
  18. "The Asura" -- Tokita Ohma
  19. "The Fang of Metsudo" -- Kanoh Agito
  20. "The Devil Lance" -- Kuroki Gensai

Bonus Round

Monster Garou runs the gauntlet - stats equalised.

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Frankly, stats equalised is bad for him since a most of his evolution is stat based, actual physical mutations, all of which gets negged because if equalisation. His martial arsenal is really decent. But like every shounen, OPM underestimates and downplays grappling and soft techniques which many of the people in the gauntlet have to great degrees.

I definitely don't see him passing the last 5, though he could stop much earlier for the reasons above.

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no WWCIF as it's a GG

Bah you have to nerf him smh.

I guess Ren could be a problem with hypnosis. Barring that FWCR and adaptation would take him pretty far, blows are a no-go. Kiryu could be countered easily enough once Garou figures out his gimmicks. Probably stops at Hatsumi, Garou lacks feats at mental chess so Hatsumi should be able to outplay him in a random encounter.

He would clear the bonus round.

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@sy8000: Didn’t want to kill the fun in arguments and stylistic match ups by having “no counter to cutting wind” for every match up!

Do you think anybody can give him trouble in the bonus round, or is it a straight sweep?

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No webcomic feats? Darn. His best skill feats are there.

In any situation I think he’d make it to Ohma.

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@higherpower: bonus round he gets ‘em cause it’s monster Garou.

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Skill wise, Raian has no business being as high as he is. I don't see him beating Ohma at any rate.

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#8  Edited By higherpower  Moderator

In that case, then he may even clear. Monster Garou being able to dance around Saitama through pure skill is a hard feat to combat, since Garou was technically operating under a stat deficit, as opposed to a stat equalization like in this thread. (Saitama is inordinately faster and stronger than Garou, yet through a variety of techniques, Garou was capable of disappearing from his sight completely and landing a flurry of strikes faster than Saitama could track or respond).

Even in the regular rounds, without webcomic feats, Garou could still possibly make it to Kuroki since I just remembered that pressure points are pretty much a GG for Kengan.

Edit: Technique mimicry is also a bitch. Tbh, even when nerfed to no Iron Cutting Fist, Garou has a lot of things going for him.

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@kingcrimson: The last three rounds may give him problems in the bonus.

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Even in the regular rounds, without webcomic feats, Garou could still possibly make it to Kuroki since I just remembered that pressure points are pretty much a GG for Kengan.

Garou hasn't really shown high level pressure points. He targets weak points as per Tanktop Master but that seems more like solar plexus and such, not full nerve strikes like Hanafuda does.

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Actually equal stats might make Inaba a problem since he'll be too weak to break the hair or blitz through it. But Garou has shown he can adapt to projectile attacks so he should manage.

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@sy8000 said:
@higherpower said:

Even in the regular rounds, without webcomic feats, Garou could still possibly make it to Kuroki since I just remembered that pressure points are pretty much a GG for Kengan.

Garou hasn't really shown high level pressure points. He targets weak points as per Tanktop Master but that seems more like solar plexus and such, not full nerve strikes like Hanafuda does.

Garou may not be a super-surgeon like Hanafusa, but his skill more than compensates for it. Meaning that while he can not outright employ nerve strikes like Hanafusa does, he is not without his own options to incapacitate physical functions, and can achieve the same result with Rock Smashing Fist. You cite TTM, but he asserted that Garou's techniques are "specifically designed to destroy the human body". If you get hit, you'll soon lose the ability to fight back. He neuters movements like any pressure points do, and he returns every attack his opponents deal with double the force to the vital areas like the throat, face, heart, diaphragm, et cetera.

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@streak619: Garou does know grappling, he used it against Genos, stopped Bang's wrists mid strike and might have used grappling to break Heavy tank loincloth's arm.

You're also forgeting Gaoland, one of the strongest fighters in the tournament and the Fang's strongest opponent before Kuroki, is a pure striking specialist.

Garous is essentially what Chiba was trying to make others believe he was + knowledge of human anatomy and it's weakpoints + a solid Martial arts style no one else has or knows + the ability to adapt like Agito, combining different martial arts he knows to perform a new one.

Sen considered Chiba an Agito class opponent for being able to copy moves after seeing them once and Garou is that plus more.

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@higherpower: He knows how to attack joints and such yes. I think most of the gauntlet would to. His knowledge isn't on a level where he could drop them with a tap.

Basically I agree it's helpful but not seeing how it's "GG" or uncounterable all other things being equal.

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@eriel said:

@streak619: Garou does know grappling, he used it against Genos, stopped Bang's wrists mid strike and might have used grappling to break Heavy tank loincloth's arm.

No one said he doesn't know how to do it. Just that it's looked down on and isn't given the same weight as striking styles

You're also forgeting Gaoland, one of the strongest fighters in the tournament and the Fang's strongest opponent before Kuroki, is a pure striking specialist.

And was taken down by grappling chained into striking.

Garous is essentially what Chiba was trying to make others believe he was + knowledge of human anatomy and it's weakpoints + a solid Martial arts style no one else has or knows + the ability to adapt like Agito, combining different martial arts he knows to perform a new one.

Sen considered Chiba an Agito class opponent for being able to copy moves after seeing them once and Garou is that plus more.

None of this is really relevant to the point. Not that i matters since Agito evolved 4 times since that statement in skill.

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#16  Edited By jonjizz

probably stops at 7 cause neither or them will ever go down... lol but seriously, i used to like garou at first, but lately his superhuman endurance knows no limit and i'm just sick of it now, i just want to see him lose already

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@streak619: nothing says grappling is looked down upon, it's just not the primary tool for Garou, since he's a striking specialist.

Martial arts Agito (the one who stomped Sen) and Kuroki Gensai, the guy who won the tournament, are also striking specialists.

It wasn't just grappling, it was an instant switch between striking and grappling, the use of feints and fake outs and Gaolang fist being destroyed by due to luck, when Agito tried to use grappling before that, it didn't work.

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@eriel said:

@streak619: nothing says grappling is looked down upon,

Asides from the fact that it is nearly non-existant?

it's just not the primary tool for Garou, since he's a striking specialist.

Just like the rest of his verse, which is the point here.

Martial arts Agito (the one who stomped Sen) and Kuroki Gensai, the guy who won the tournament, are also striking specialists.

Neither are true. MA have grappling thus MA Agito can use grappling should he want, he didn't because he knew he couldn't beat Sen at grappling/soft techniques.

Gensai uses whatever is most apt for situation, so he isn't exclusively striking.

Not that any of this is relevant to Garou being featless against grappling.

It wasn't just grappling,

Something that I pointed out before you. But grappling was the key

it was an instant switch between striking and grappling, the use of feints and fake outs and Gaolang fist being destroyed by due to luck, when Agito tried to use grappling before that, it didn't work.

False, and false again.

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@sy8000 said:
@higherpower said:

Even in the regular rounds, without webcomic feats, Garou could still possibly make it to Kuroki since I just remembered that pressure points are pretty much a GG for Kengan.

Garou hasn't really shown high level pressure points. He targets weak points as per Tanktop Master but that seems more like solar plexus and such, not full nerve strikes like Hanafuda does.

Garou may not be a super-surgeon like Hanafusa, but his skill more than compensates for it. Meaning that while he can not outright employ nerve strikes like Hanafusa does, he is not without his own options to incapacitate physical functions, and can achieve the same result with Rock Smashing Fist. You cite TTM, but he asserted that Garou's techniques are "specifically designed to destroy the human body". If you get hit, you'll soon lose the ability to fight back. He neuters movements like any pressure points do, and he returns every attack his opponents deal with double the force to the vital areas like the throat, face, heart, diaphragm, et cetera.

Honestly, it's cool, but it isn't even close to a gg. Internal attacks/vital striking/nerve striking are scattered all over the place in Kengan.

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#20  Edited By eriel

@streak619 said:
Asides from the fact that it is nearly non-existant?
Just like the rest of his verse, which is the point here.
Neither are true. MA have grappling thus MA Agito can use grappling should he want, he didn't because he knew he couldn't beat Sen at grappling/soft techniques.
Gensai uses whatever is most apt for situation, so he isn't exclusively striking.
Not that any of this is relevant to Garou being featless against grappling.
Something that I pointed out before you. But grappling was the key
it was an instant switch between striking and grappling, the use of feints and fake outs and Gaolang fist being destroyed by due to luck, when Agito tried to use grappling before that, it didn't work.

Martial Arts Agito is literally called a striking specialist in the manga.

Gensai does know more than striking, but striking blocking and counters are his bread and butter and what he uses almost all the time.

Not really, Metsudo himself says that Fang was forced to use "tactics" to beat Gaolang and Agito aknowledged that even with those tactics + Gaolang's fist shattering it was a narrow victory, if it was just grappling the most likely outcome would have been Gaolang's victory.

Come on I know you read Kengan, so you know Gaolang kept beating the shit out of Agito after that, Garou is not limited to his fists like Boxing Gaolang was.

Agito tried a tackle and to grab Gaolang's wrist after that and both failed.

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@eriel said:
@streak619 said:
Asides from the fact that it is nearly non-existant?
Just like the rest of his verse, which is the point here.
Neither are true. MA have grappling thus MA Agito can use grappling should he want, he didn't because he knew he couldn't beat Sen at grappling/soft techniques.
Gensai uses whatever is most apt for situation, so he isn't exclusively striking.
Not that any of this is relevant to Garou being featless against grappling.
Something that I pointed out before you. But grappling was the key
it was an instant switch between striking and grappling, the use of feints and fake outs and Gaolang fist being destroyed by due to luck, when Agito tried to use grappling before that, it didn't work.

Martial Arts Agito is literally called a striking specialist in the manga.

He became a martial arts specialist to deal with Hatsumi becaude he knew he would lose in a grappling match.

Gensai does know more than striking, but striking blocking and counters are his bread and butter and what he uses almost all the time.

Because it was most apt for those situations

Not really, Metsudo himself says that Fang was forced to use "tactics" to beat Gaolang and Agito aknowledged that even with those tactics + Gaolang's fist shattering it was a narrow victory, if it was just grappling the most likely outcome would have been Gaolang's victory.

Which is irrelevant to the fact that grappling was key to the maneuvering that took down Gaolong

Come on I know you read Kengan, so you know Gaolang kept beating the shit out of Agito after that,

After he changed styles entirely, yes. Not that that would justify what you said.

Garou is not limited to his fists like Boxing Gaolang was.

Cool, nothing significant though, since the grappling failed only after Gaolong used all his limbs, that too briefly.

Agito tried a tackle and to grab Gaolang's wrist after that and both failed.

Briefly after Gaolong switched styles, yes

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@streak619:

No, Agito became a striking specialist, because that's his original style, Martial arts Agito is a striking specialist regardless of who he faces.

If you say Kuroki didn't use grappling for most of the tournament because there were more apt options, then I could say the same thing about Garou and his fights.

The manga made it pretty clear that with just grappling Gaolang had the upper hand over Agito, grappling in that situation was like a bullet, essential to shooting someone, but you're not going to do anything without a gun.

So yeah, 2 high level strikers beat the shit out of some of the best grapplers in the tournament in Sen and Formless Agito.

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@eriel said:

@streak619:

No, Agito became a striking specialist, because that's his original style,

It isn't. grappling was always an option in his formless style.

Martial arts Agito is a striking specialist regardless of who he faces.

He wouldn't use martial arts if formless were necessary, as he demonstrated against Kuroki.

If you say Kuroki didn't use grappling for most of the tournament because there were more apt options, then I could say the same thing about Garou and his fights.

You cannot, because there is actual canon in favour of this for Kuroki unlike for Garou.

The manga made it pretty clear that with just grappling Gaolang had the upper hand over Agito,

Not after Agito adapted twice to both of Gaolong's styles. it worked on him after.

grappling in that situation was like a bullet, essential to shooting someone, but you're not going to do anything without a gun.

Terrible analogy, really. Not even remotely close to what grappling was there

So yeah, 2 high level strikers beat the shit out of some of the best grapplers in the tournament in Sen

Yes, hopefully now you'll actually get to the part where Garou is able to deal something he has never dealt with without scaling to people who have, people, y'know, not even from the same universe.

and Formless Agito.

True, but irrelevant to the point you think it makes, because it doesn't.

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#24  Edited By Coadamol

He might have some problems with some of them but he clears , he have so much going for him to lose , hell ohma reached the finals and all he have is a wallmart version of garou's martial arts

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Stops at Cosmo, hard stops at Gaolang.

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I made this fight before my Akoya wank kicked in and it shows.

Stops at Cosmo, hard stops at Gaolang.

Stops at Cosmo? Interesting. How do you see that going?

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I made this fight before my Akoya wank kicked in and it shows.

@streak619 said:

Stops at Cosmo, hard stops at Gaolang.

Stops at Cosmo? Interesting. How do you see that going?

I'm speaking in regards to the Webcomic, since I haven't read the manga, but Garou doesn't have the means to deal with Cosmo's precog nor his vastly superior application of precog(pseudo PI), and the notion that Garou's precog will work on someone as skilled as Cosmo is also iffy since it hasn't. Cosmo's basic skill such as efficiency with movement and power is also drastically higher than Garou's because of even things that are extremely basic in Kengan are well above what Garou has demonstrated and since there is a stats equalization it means Cosmo's movements will be faster and stronger.

Throw in high end techniques like Zone which Garou has no knowledge on and Cosmo's locking skills which is confirmed to be ablento worl on vastly physically superior opponents, it's a sealed deal.

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@streak619: GTFO Streak. Rules are manga and anime feats only 🤬

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Garou is like the 2nd most skilled H2H fighter in fiction and you don't say he casually solos the list? Lmao ok.

Garou easily stomps everyone even with equal stats.

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@talonzone21: That’s hilarious. Who do you think is the only person more skilled than him?

He‘s not clearing this list. He doesn’t have the skill feats.

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Garou is like the 2nd most skilled H2H fighter in fiction and you don't say he casually solos the list? Lmao ok.

Garou is definitely not that skilled.

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#35  Edited By Streak619

@talonzone21 said:

Garou is like the 2nd most skilled H2H fighter in fiction and you don't say he casually solos the list? Lmao ok.

Garou easily stomps everyone even with equal stats.

Your awareness of fiction must be limited to Dragon Ball Z, if you genuinely think Garou is even remotely anywhere near the realm of being the most skilled H2H fighter. Even discounting Wuxia and light novels, he's nowhere close.