• In-character
• Standard equipment
• Fight takes place on a ship at sea
• Galand can’t use CO
Who wins
Galand Vs. Mihawk
@gilateen said:
Mihawk bisects him with a good swing.
Galand should win he’ll just reattach his limbs if he gets hit. Since CO is restricted he’ll still win after a short skirmish.
Mmmmm. Mihawk should, by all rights, win.
But Galand has better feats.
I'd still personally back Mihawk tho.
@jmarshmallow said:
Mmmmm. Mihawk should, by all rights, win.
But Galand has better feats.
I'd still personally back Mihawk tho.
No, Mihawk's iceberg feat is magnitudes above anything Galand has ever done.
@shirso: Nah. Don't remember the exact numbers, but Galand was like 10x stronger than a Meliodas that *casually* busted a castle (which was said to be unbreakable) as a side effect of an arm wrestle.
Mihawk's iceberg feat is BoS Sin level, give or take a bit, say nothing of Galan.
Mihawk is way above Galan. This is a mismatch
@madrus17: Well, but to be fair, the hills that were sliced by Galand was just a side effect after Escanor already took the most force of the impact.
You could scale Galand to Meliodas, who (first season) sliced a fairly large hill, only using a twig and Galand is like 10 times stronger than Mel at that time + uses a proper weapon. Unfortunately not by feats, but via scaling, I can see Galand replicating Mihawks feat.
Still, Mihawk (who possibly is yonko tier, or at least close to it) should take it with relative ease. I don't think it is a oneshot (mainly due to regeneration) but Mihawk should have a comfortable win here.
Mihawk bisects Galan
@vibecheckfailed said:
@gilateen said:
Mihawk bisects him with a good swing.
@defiant_will said:
Mihawk bisects Galan
What would this even do, though? Setting aside the question of Mihawk's ability to even accomplish this in the first place, Galand has easily regenerated from a bisected state in the past. Mihawk can't say the same for himself, and given his complete lack of piercing durability feats, I don't see how he can really take any of Galand's blows in turn.
MiHawk bisects Galan
In which Galan regenerates
And then proceeds to one shot MiHawk
People who say MiHawk bisects gg...did you not like...watch Galan vs Escanor?
Like...seriously? Y’all forgetting he just patched his body up like it was nothing?
The residual air pressure from Mihawk's swing sent the upper half of a large mountain sized iceberg dozens of meters into the air, imagine what it will do to Galand's body. Put simply Galand's two halves end up on opposite sides of Britannia.
Just for overkill, Mihawk can spam his attacks, so he slices Galand up into a million different pieces and sends them to different parts of the country.
Holy shit. MiHawk swordsmanship style is now Atomic Samurai's
I see new shit whenever I see this fanbase, never gets old
Eh, Galand should win eventually. Mihawk is faster and has better DC but he has like 0 durability feats and Galand can regenerate from being cut up.
I mean, everyone is citing Escanor when he only sliced Galand once in half from where his torso is. If Escanor did that from the head down, vertially, and not horizontally we might have had a different fight.
Hell if Escanor decided to say screw it and slash Galand several times like Mihawk did to Buggy, who's to say Galand would have survived?
The point is. If Mihawk cuts Galand, he won't stop at one stroke of his blade.
The residual air pressure from Mihawk's swing sent the upper half of a large mountain sized iceberg dozens of meters into the air, imagine what it will do to Galand's body.
Put simply Galand's two halves end up on opposite sides of Britannia.
Mihawk's slashes have never done this to anyone, ever. Even when attacking fodder like Zoro, Buggy or the two Kama's he bodied at Marinefored, they were never seperated into pieces and dispensed across large distances.
But, going even further than that, what on earth even suggests Mihawk has enough output to cleanly cut through Galand's entire body in one go? The best feat we have from him is slicing through an ice mountain with air pressure: Galand no-sold a good dozen attacks from Berserk Meliodas wielding Lostvayne. Do keep in mind that Meliodas using a lesser degree of demonic power could already stop a mountain sized energy blast+a full power sword strike from Gilthunder with just his fingers. Hell, even the significantly weaker Dreyfus could stop Diane's full power earth attacks onehanded without effort, which are demonstratably mountain+ level. And Galand isn't even scratched by output a solid level above that.
Obviously, Mihawk's feat is still better, so he should be able to cut Galand. But it isn't even nearly enough to straight up bisect him in one attack or sever limbs to the point this strategy would even begin to be viable.
Just for overkill, Mihawk can spam his attacks, so he slices Galand up into a million different pieces and sends them to different parts of the country.
This is just ridiculous. Yes, if Mihawk were to choose to spam his sword strikes in immediate succession like he did against exactly one opponent out of like half a dozen so far and Galand had to just stand there and take all of it, he would win. When you take into account Galand's ability to counterattack and the fact that Mihawk has not a single feat to his name that would allow him to properly withstand any of Galand's attacks if they were to hit him, he certainly can't afford to attempt this randomly.
Mihawk middiffs.
Galan probably has the speed advantage tho, so it could be a high diff fight(in mihawk's favor) if he makes use of that speed properly.
Wait, galan can't use critical over? Mihawk lowdiffs.
It’s always fun to see ignorant people get mad at other people for being ignorant.
OT: Mihawk in a mismatch.
Mihawk's slashes have never done this to anyone, ever. Even when attacking fodder like Zoro, Buggy or the two Kama's he bodied at Marinefored, they were never seperated into pieces and dispensed across large distances.
He was obviously holding back heavily against Zoro or the two fodders, and Buggy can control his body parts after they are cut.
Besides this is a goofy shonen, human characters aren't going to be shown getting cut in half smh.
But, going even further than that, what on earth even suggests Mihawk has enough output to cleanly cut through Galand's entire body in one go? The best feat we have from him is slicing through an ice mountain with air pressure: Galand no-sold a good dozen attacks from Berserk Meliodas wielding Lostvayne. Do keep in mind that Meliodas using a lesser degree of demonic power could already stop a mountain sized energy blast+a full power sword strike from Gilthunder with just his fingers. Hell, even the significantly weaker Dreyfus could stop Diane's full power earth attacks onehanded without effort, which are demonstratably mountain+ level. And Galand isn't even scratched by output a solid level above that.
I am well aware of all those feats and mountain/mountain+ level power is nothing compared to bisecting a large mountain sized super durable iceberg through air pressure from 100's of meters away, all while toying with a rookie. Any remotely serious slash from Mihawk cuts through Galan like wet tissue paper, let's not kid ourselves.
Obviously, Mihawk's feat is still better, so he should be able to cut Galand. But it isn't even nearly enough to straight up bisect him in one attack or sever limbs to the point this strategy would even begin to be viable.
He can and he would bisect Galand with every attack he throws.
This is just ridiculous. Yes, if Mihawk were to choose to spam his sword strikes in immediate succession like he did against exactly one opponent out of like half a dozen so far and
Ironically, the situation with Galand is similar to that with Buggy, both being opponents who can put themselves back after getting bisected. So it's entirely in character in fact for Mihawk to spam slices the moment he sees Galand sewing himself back.
Galand had to just stand there and take all of it, he would win.
Mihawk honestly wouldn't give him the chance to put himself back after he bisects him once. You can see in the Buggy instance, he starts spamming slices before Buggy has even put himself together. The moment he sees Galand is trying to sew himself, he would start spamming slices to try and overwhelm him.
When you take into account Galand's ability to counterattack and the fact that Mihawk has not a single feat to his name that would allow him to properly withstand any of Galand's attacks if they were to hit him, he certainly can't afford to attempt this randomly.
Mihawk has a disgusting skill advantage, should be a master of CoO and logically should be much faster as well. Galand isn't landing a hit anytime soon.
Besides Demon regen isn't limitless as shown with Hendy, the damage will soon stack up and overwhelm Galand.
@shirso: Alright, time to dissect one of the newest examples of the issues with One Piece debating on the Vine in recent times.
He was obviously holding back heavily against Zoro or the two fodders, and Buggy can control his body parts after they are cut. Besides this is a goofy shonen, human characters aren't going to be shown getting cut in half smh.
Yeah, no. He wasn't holding back against any of them to the point that none of them body parts shouldn't have gone flying off into the distance. In fact, I'd agree with your conclusion, just put it differently: it's typical Shonen inconsistency that has a mountain fly away after being cut by Mihawk and a human not move more than a few meters. However, this also means that we're back at square one and your premise of Galand's body parts flying away from the force of Mihawk's hits is still unaubstantiated.
I am well aware of all those feats and mountain/mountain+ level power is nothing compared to bisecting a large mountain sized super durable iceberg through air pressure from 100's of meters away, all while toying with a rookie. Any remotely serious slash from Mihawk cuts through Galan like wet tissue paper, let's not kid ourselves.
Alright, so the core of this issue seems to be that you genuinely think moving a mountain upwards a decent distance with air pressure is enough to bisect Galand. I'm just going to ignore the part about Mihawk toying around because he himself doesn't agree with that assertion and it's clearly based on nothing concrete. Anyway, coming back to that other part, moving a mountain a significant distance isn't overly impressive here, Diane has done the same thing using her Sacred Treasure, even going so far as to suspend it in the air against the force of gravity, and we all know her earth attacks are fodder to even Dreyfus. Mihawks is more impressive because he does it with air pressure, but by comparison Dreyfus is also a solid tier below the Meliodas who's hits were not only tanked, but essentially no-sold by Galand. So I'm still not seeing were this tremendous gap is that suggests Mihawk can not only cut Galand, but outclass his durability to such a degree that bisection becomes possible. Because, once again, Galand no-sells those attacks we just talked about.
He can and he would bisect Galand with every attack he throws.
If you would actually present an argument as to why, this audacious claim might become a bit more well received. Only maybe, though.
Ironically, the situation with Galand is similar to that with Buggy, both being opponents who can put themselves back after getting bisected. So it's entirely in character in fact for Mihawk to spam slices the moment he sees Galand sewing himself back.
Congratulations, you've managed to identify perhaps the only similiarity between Galand and Buggy that exists. It still does absolutely nothing to help your point, obviously, because Galand, like many of the other demons we've seen over the years, is fully capable of continuing to attack and defend even after he's had limbs severed, or even after he's been bisected. Not to mention that, unlike Buggy, he'd be able to parry and riposte against Mihawk.
Mihawk honestly wouldn't give him the chance to put himself back after he bisects him once. You can see in the Buggy instance, he starts spamming slices before Buggy has even put himself together. The moment he sees Galand is trying to sew himself, he would start spamming slices to try and overwhelm him.
I'm still trying to figure out if this is some kind of elaborate joke, or a serious point. In the very scan you posted, Mihawk literally pauses between attacks to the point Buggy has time to turn around and have a quick talk with Luffy and get shoved back into place before Hawk-Eye launches his next barrage of attacks. Clearly, he took his time, completely the opposite of what you're insinuating.
Mihawk has a disgusting skill advantage, should be a master of CoO and logically should be much faster as well. Galand isn't landing a hit anytime soon.
Hmm, you've managed to put up three completely baseless assertions in one sentence. Pretty impressive, even for you, seeing as to how Mihawk has virtually no feats in regards to his use of any of these things. He almost definitely does have some degree of CoO, but it's hardly enough to overcome his defficiency in all other area's.
Besides Demon regen isn't limitless as shown with Hendy, the damage will soon stack up and overwhelm Galand.
Using Hendy as an example is misguided, because:
- He was using the power of a fodder Red Demon, a solid tier or two below Galand
- He actually managed to successfully regenerate from close to a a dozen extremely potent attacks that dealt considerable damage before he was noticeably hindered, which would be more than enough of an advantage for Galand here either way
Nevertheless, I don't fully disagree. Yes, Mihawk could potentially stress Galand's regeneration...but not under the conditions of a normal battle, where Galand needs only one glancing hit to win, while Mihawk needs dozens of direct strikes. The fact is that while Mihawk could win this, and likely will in the future, right now it doesn't look rosy for him.
Yeah, no. He wasn't holding back against any of them to the point that none of them body parts shouldn't have gone flying off into the distance. In fact, I'd agree with your conclusion, just put it differently: it's typical Shonen inconsistency that has a mountain fly away after being cut by Mihawk and a human not move more than a few meters. However, this also means that we're back at square one and your premise of Galand's body parts flying away from the force of Mihawk's hits is still unaubstantiated.
I mean we both know if Mihawk had really wanted to, he could easily have cut East Blue Zoro in half. It's also not the case that limb amputations never happen in OP (Luffy with his CoO saw Mihawk slicing his hands off for example). If you wanna use shonen tropes to deny Mihawk's feats, I will simply say it's a piercing durability feat for Zoro and the others to not get bisected by Mihawk's attacks.
Alright, so the core of this issue seems to be that you genuinely think moving a mountain upwards a decent distance with air pressure is enough to bisect Galand.
Ha? No, I don't think that at all, sending the iceberg dozens of meters upwards is not even the real meat of the feat, that would be, you know, actually cutting said iceberg in half, which would imply he can do the same to Galan.
The sending iceberg upward becomes relevant only as a counter argument against Galand sewing himself up. As it proves even after getting bisected, the residual air pressure would still ragdoll his body parts miles away from each other.
For the rest, I have the same response as in the Casual vs Serious argument. Either you acknowledge that logically someone of Mihawk's level should be fully capable of instantly bisecting PTS Luffy if he was remotely serious, which implies he was actually heavily holding back, regardless of what he said, OR, I simply argue that as an extremely impressive durability feat for Luffy. You can't dismiss Mihawk's objective feats due to what's essentially tropes and PIS.
And be honest, there's no piercing feat in NNT till that point that's even comparable to Mihawk's. He is massively superior in every relevant way: distance to the target, size of target, durability of target.
Hmm, you've managed to put up three completely baseless assertions in one sentence. Pretty impressive, even for you, seeing as to how Mihawk has virtually no feats in regards to his use of any of these things. He almost definitely does have some degree of CoO, but it's hardly enough to overcome his defficiency in all other area's.
What? You talk about Mihawk having "virtually no feats" in swordsmanship skill of all things? Isn't he the same guy who fodderized a going all out East Blue Zoro with a pocket knife? Same Zoro who was already a prodigy? Same Mihawk who lords over a tribe of perfectly skill copying Baboons? Same Mihawk who trained Zoro over the timeskip into the badass he is today? I am sorry I have to lol at this.
Nevertheless, I don't fully disagree. Yes, Mihawk could potentially stress Galand's regeneration...but not under the conditions of a normal battle, where Galand needs only one glancing hit to win, while Mihawk needs dozens of direct strikes. The fact is that while Mihawk could win this, and likely will in the future, right now it doesn't look rosy for him.
Yeah I gave the example of Hendy only to show Demon regen isn't limitless, something that wasn't being brought up till now in this thread. And yes, Galand does scale above Hendy, but Mihawk's one feat also is vastly above anything in NNT till that point, so Galand still gets bodied. The power gap is simply too high, no matter how you want to spin it.
without CO mihawk should be able to win with Mid diff, the problem is Galand regeneration.
by feats alone Galand is vastly above mihawk but scaling exist so this wont matter much
I still believe Galand would win with the feats we have now, but considering MiHawk has still yet to go all out I'm 100% sure he'll surpass Galand.
MiHawk is just a bad person to use on the battle forums really.
I mean we both know if Mihawk had really wanted to, he could easily have cut East Blue Zoro in half. It's also not the case that limb amputations never happen in OP (Luffy with his CoO saw Mihawk slicing his hands off for example). If you wanna use shonen tropes to deny Mihawk's feats, I will simply say it's a piercing durability feat for Zoro and the others to not get bisected by Mihawk's attacks.
I thought I made it pretty clear, but I guess you still missed the point. No matter the degree to which you claim Mihawk was holding back, the bodies of the characters he's striking should by all accounts still fly off into the distance, but they don't. Yes, Mihawk has showings that suggest they should but the fact of the matter is that when engaging other characters, the extent to which Mihawk's air pressure effects them is negligible: it never takes effect in the way you're saying it will. This, in turn, means that your argument is inconvincing, because that's never been how Mihawk's fighting works in actual canon.
Ha? No, I don't think that at all, sending the iceberg dozens of meters upwards is not even the real meat of the feat, that would be, you know, actually cutting said iceberg in half, which would imply he can do the same to Galan.
Except it doesn't, as I've attempted to explain to you several times throughout this discussion with no proper response on your part. You've repeatedly stated Mihawk's feat is so massively superior to anything shown thus far that he could straight up bisect Galand, but haven't actually explained why this is. Mihawk's feat is bisecting a mountain from the distance with air pressure. In other words:
- Mihawk is massively superior to his own air pressure, which is mountain+ level
Meanwhile I've provided you with feats that show Berserk Meliodas scales massively above mountain level feats, but was incapable of even piercing Galand at all. In other words:
- Galand's durability is massively superior to Berserk Mel's output, which is massively superior to mountain level characters
Both scale to some hard to determine but clearly significant amount above standard mountain level, but you continue to insist Mihawk's scaling is so much better that his output is way beyond Galand's durability while citing no reason at all.
For the rest, I have the same response as in the Casual vs Serious argument. Either you acknowledge that logically someone of Mihawk's level should be fully capable of instantly bisecting PTS Luffy if he was remotely serious, which implies he was actually heavily holding back, regardless of what he said, OR, I simply argue that as an extremely impressive durability feat for Luffy. You can't dismiss Mihawk's objective feats due to what's essentially tropes and PIS.
I'm not exactly sure what you're going on about here. No one's disputing any of Mihawk's feats or his ability to oneshot PTS Luffy if he connects, he definitely did bisect that mountain with air pressure. What I'm challenging is the idea that he was holding back when doing so, which is completely unsubstantiated seeing as to how he was not only perfectly willing to severe Luffy's limbs, but also literally says himself he won't hold back. We are given no reason to believe he's lying and thus I don't believe there's anymore to the feat than what's seen on-panel.
And be honest, there's no piercing feat in NNT till that point that's even comparable to Mihawk's. He is massively superior in every relevant way: distance to the target, size of target, durability of target.
Indeed, Mihawk is significantly superior to the feats at that time. But then again, so is Berserk Meliodas w/Lostvayne, who Galand no-sold. Do you see what I'm getting at here?
What? You talk about Mihawk having "virtually no feats" in swordsmanship skill of all things? Isn't he the same guy who fodderized a going all out East Blue Zoro with a pocket knife? Same Zoro who was already a prodigy? Same Mihawk who lords over a tribe of perfectly skill copying Baboons? Same Mihawk who trained Zoro over the timeskip into the badass he is today? I am sorry I have to lol at this.
Every single thing you just mentioned can be attributed to massively and demonstratably superior raw power and/or haki: not a single one of those feats can be proven to be feats of skill. Galand could replicate all of them save for the training of Zoro(doesn't have the necessary personality or haki), and he's fairly unskilled based on what we know.
Yeah I gave the example of Hendy only to show Demon regen isn't limitless, something that wasn't being brought up till now in this thread. And yes, Galand does scale above Hendy, but Mihawk's one feat also is vastly above anything in NNT till that point, so Galand still gets bodied. The power gap is simply too high, no matter how you want to spin it.
But it isn't, no matter how you want to spin it. Both Mihawks power and Galand's durability scale to unquantifiable degree's above mountain+ level, and you have no reason to assert Mihawks scaling is superior to the point it can bypass not only his durability, but his regeneration as well.
While I do appreciate the lack of contention in regards to speed, Galand's ability to fight Mihawk while regenerating himself and the "Mihawk spams slashes" argument, it would be best if you just dropped all of these currenly inane premises. Mihawk can't win this right now, Galand has almost every conceivably concrete advantage. More showings help a lot.
both cut hills/mountains with shockwaves so both are mountain busters but galand needed critical over to perform the feat so he'd need that form to compete.
galand woud have an ability advantage with his commandment and both are around the same level in terms of speed. Galand also has regen so if mihawk cut galan, galan would put himself back together unless mihawk can specifically target galand's three hearts. along with galand's commandment galand should pull of a high difficulty win.
Galand wins until Mihawk gets better feats.
I thought I made it pretty clear, but I guess you still missed the point. No matter the degree to which you claim Mihawk was holding back, the bodies of the characters he's striking should by all accounts still fly off into the distance, but they don't.
And again, that's a feat for those characters in that case.
Yes, Mihawk has showings that suggest they should but the fact of the matter is that when engaging other characters, the extent to which Mihawk's air pressure effects them is negligible: it never takes effect in the way you're saying it will. This, in turn, means that your argument is inconvincing, because that's never been how Mihawk's fighting works in actual canon.
Feat for them.
Both scale to some hard to determine but clearly significant amount above standard mountain level, but you continue to insist Mihawk's scaling is so much better that his output is way beyond Galand's durability while citing no reason at all.
Because none of the mountain level physical feats that Mel scales from that you showed me (which all have their own problems anyway) are comparable to bisecting that iceberg due to, 1) The iceberg's sheer size and 2) It's super durable ice. And none of those feats were performed by air pressure like Mihawk. So Mihawk not only has a far superior baseline but the scaling he gets from doing it via air pressure from a long distance is superior to arguing unquantifiable amps via Demon form and all.
I'm not exactly sure what you're going on about here. No one's disputing any of Mihawk's feats or his ability to oneshot PTS Luffy if he connects, he definitely did bisect that mountain with air pressure. What I'm challenging is the idea that he was holding back when doing so, which is completely unsubstantiated seeing as to how he was not only perfectly willing to severe Luffy's limbs, but also literally says himself he won't hold back. We are given no reason to believe he's lying and thus I don't believe there's anymore to the feat than what's seen on-panel.
It's abundantly clear that he was holding back because 1) He didn't use any named attacks and 2) Even ignoring his in verse standing, he is massively above current Zoro by Zoro's own words, a character that would literally blitz and one shot PTS Luffy. If Mihawk didn't do the same, it can really mean only one thing.
Indeed, Mihawk is significantly superior to the feats at that time. But then again, so is Berserk Meliodas w/Lostvayne, who Galand no-sold. Do you see what I'm getting at here?
As I explained Mihawk has both a better baseline in terms of the actual feat and better quantifiable scaling.
Every single thing you just mentioned can be attributed to massively and demonstratably superior raw power and/or haki: not a single one of those feats can be proven to be feats of skill. Galand could replicate all of them save for the training of Zoro(doesn't have the necessary personality or haki), and he's fairly unskilled based on what we know.
Not taking a scratch while simply defending himself from a genius 3 swords style user is indeed a feat of skill. Mihawk automatically would be above current Zoro in terms of swordsmanship skill anyway.
While I do appreciate the lack of contention in regards to speed, Galand's ability to fight Mihawk while regenerating himself and the "Mihawk spams slashes" argument, it would be best if you just dropped all of these currenly inane premises
Mihawk would again scale above current Zoro in terms of speed which is enough to hang with Galand. He would also not take long to spam slashes the moment he sees Galand trying to put himself back, as that's the first thing he did against an opponent that could put themselves back. All your arguments in this thread have basically been "Mihawk stomps this with his few relevant feats till now, so I will try my best to dismiss and nitpick it through in character and PIS arguments".
And again, that's a feat for those characters in that case.
Feat for them.
Oh, so we're switching narratives from Mihawk holding back to Buggy, Kama's, PTS Zoro and PTS Luffy just being so durable they aren't sent flying by mountain ragdolling air pressure? How quaint. Not enough to save you this time though, because it's also demonstratably false. Buggy, who was sent flying hundreds of meters by BoS Luffy's attacks, is durable enough to withstand Mihawk's air pressure without being moved at all? Don Krieg's random pirate ship is durable enough to withstand Mihawk's air pressure ragdolling it to different sides of the East Blue? Zoro, literally just standing there and not doing anything, is rooted firmly enough to withstand being sent flying back?
Obviously, the answer to all of these is a resounding no: it's just extreme inconsistency on Mihawk's part. Claiming all of those are feats for characters that were basically oneshotred by Mihawk, but magically unmoved by his attacks, is nonsensical.
Because none of the mountain level physical feats that Mel scales from that you showed me (which all have their own problems anyway) are comparable to bisecting that iceberg due to, 1) The iceberg's sheer size
Mountain sized, just like every single feat I mentioned, you mean? Shirso, you're really not making things better for yourself here, the consistent difference in size between the objects/attacks/whatever isn't clear or large enough to make a coherent argument out of it.
and 2) It's super durable ice.
Dear lord, I see it's fanfiction time.
And none of those feats were performed by air pressure like Mihawk. So Mihawk not only has a far superior baseline but the scaling he gets from doing it via air pressure from a long distance is superior to arguing unquantifiable amps via Demon form and all.
It's not, though. Because you still have not a single conceivable way of quantifying or proving that the difference from air pressure to an actual strike is greater than the massive edge in durability Galand has over mountain level scaling. Especially not when characters like Mihawk and Zoro are capable of producing long range strikes comparable to their close range ones. Even so, note how I'm not saying Galand will no-sell Mihawk. I'm merely arguing Mihawk's advantage over Berserk Meliodas isn't nearly quantifiably great enough to go from being no-sold by Galand to bisecting him in a single attack, that's nothing short of absurd.
It's abundantly clear that he was holding back because 1) He didn't use any named attacks and 2) Even ignoring his in verse standing, he is massively above current Zoro by Zoro's own words, a character that would literally blitz and one shot PTS Luffy. If Mihawk didn't do the same, it can really mean only one thing.
Named attacks? Really? That's what you're going to be basing your conclusion on? Not only is there no proof Mihawk even has any, there's also no proof they're massively, or even noticeably superior to his normal strikes thrown with full strength. As for the second point, you continue to make things worse for yourself. Mihawk clearly demonstrated his superiority to PTS Luffy's speed in every single way(unlike Zoro, actually), so my question for you is, are you really going to make that the point upon which your entire argument is contingent? As opposed to a clear cut statement from Mihawk himself?
As I explained Mihawk has both a better baseline in terms of the actual feat and better quantifiable scaling.
And stopped short of actually proving it, as per the usual.
Not taking a scratch while simply defending himself from a genius 3 swords style user is indeed a feat of skill. Mihawk automatically would be above current Zoro in terms of swordsmanship skill anyway.
No it's not, for crying out loud. The exact same can be accomplished with a large enough speed and power advantage, something both you and I know Mihawk has over BoS Zoro just by virtue of being able to tag and outspeed Gear 2 at Marineford.
Mihawk would again scale above current Zoro in terms of speed which is enough to hang with Galand.
Current Zoro has no speed feats to sugges he could hang with Galand, unless you're going to make that contingent upon portrayal scaling to Brook, or even the laughable Punk Hazard.
He would also not take long to spam slashes the moment he sees Galand trying to put himself back, as that's the first thing he did against an opponent that could put themselves back.
This claim has already addressed and disected from multiple angles in previous posts, and you neglected to even attempt a rebuttal. Don't think repeating it changes anything.
All your arguments in this thread have basically been "Mihawk stomps this with his few relevant feats till now, so I will try my best to dismiss and nitpick it through in character and PIS arguments".
I see reading comprehension is among the things you're still aiming to acquire, to no one's surprise.
Oh, so we're switching narratives from Mihawk holding back to Buggy, Kama's, PTS Zoro and PTS Luffy just being so durable they aren't sent flying by mountain ragdolling air pressure? How quaint. Not enough to save you this time though, because it's also demonstratably false. Buggy, who was sent flying hundreds of meters by BoS Luffy's attacks, is durable enough to withstand Mihawk's air pressure without being moved at all? Don Krieg's random pirate ship is durable enough to withstand Mihawk's air pressure ragdolling it to different sides of the East Blue? Zoro, literally just standing there and not doing anything, is rooted firmly enough to withstand being sent flying back?
You know that characters not getting moved large distances on taking attacks above a certain level is simply a trope right?
Of the characters you mentioned, nobody got bisected besides Buggy and Don Kreig's ship, and Buggy got stronger since he fought Luffy in East Blue. Also since you are saying Mihawk was serious against Luffy, his showing against Don Kreig's ship or even Buggy cannot be used as an anti feat for his serious output.
Obviously, the answer to all of these is a resounding no: it's just extreme inconsistency on Mihawk's part. Claiming all of those are feats for characters that were basically oneshotred by Mihawk, but magically unmoved by his attacks, is nonsensical.
The iceberg feat was from when he was "serious" against Luffy, so again what happened against any of those characters is irrelevant. We have seen that if a serious slash from him bisects an object, the residual pressure is enough to ragdoll mountains. You can't discard that aspect by citing tropes no matter how much you want to.
Mountain sized, just like every single feat I mentioned, you mean? Shirso, you're really not making things better for yourself here, the consistent difference in size between the objects/attacks/whatever isn't clear or large enough to make a coherent argument out of it.
The iceberg is at least several km long along its width, which is more than any of those feats, and now that I think of it, none of those actually show mountain lvl strength anyway.
Dear lord, I see it's fanfiction time.
Aokiji's ice has been proven to be much more durable than steel when post Skypiea Zoro couldn't cut his ice saber with a direct strike.
It's not, though. Because you still have not a single conceivable way of quantifying or proving that the difference from air pressure to an actual strike is greater than the massive edge in durability Galand has over mountain level scaling. Especially not when characters like Mihawk and Zoro are capable of producing long range strikes comparable to their close range ones. Even so, note how I'm not saying Galand will no-sell Mihawk. I'm merely arguing Mihawk's advantage over Berserk Meliodas isn't nearly quantifiably great enough to go from being no-sold by Galand to bisecting him in a single attack, that's nothing short of absurd.
The difference between air pressure and a direct strike is far more clear cut and quantifiable than the amp Demon Mark would give over supposedly mountain level physicals. And as I said, cutting that iceberg by itself is a far better feat than the "mountain" level feats you are arguing for Meliodas.
Also this makes me think, NNT physicals before the final arc is basically upscaling from mountain lvl feats, which is also the level I'd put people like current G4 Luffy at. Can I say G4 Luffy one shots AM Mel because The One, a character whose physicals basically come from upscaling above mountain lvl did? Or conversely can I say G4 Luffy tanks AM Mel's strikes for the same reason?
And stopped short of actually proving it, as per the usual.
- It's size is greater than any mountain for the feats you are using. It's height is already mountain sized and Mihawk cut it along its width which is several times its height.
- It's made of Aokiji's ice which is much harder than steel.
Named attacks? Really? That's what you're going to be basing your conclusion on? Not only is there no proof Mihawk even has any, there's also no proof they're massively, or even noticeably superior to his normal strikes thrown with full strength.
Since every relevant character in the series has named attacks that are far stronger than their unnamed ones, I don't see why Mihawk would be an exception. In any case, we have seen that he tends to use his green energy slices when he is actually somewhat serious (like against WB), which wasn't there in the iceberg feat, hence he does have stronger attacks.
As for the second point, you continue to make things worse for yourself. Mihawk clearly demonstrated his superiority to PTS Luffy's speed in every single way(unlike Zoro, actually), so my question for you is, are you really going to make that the point upon which your entire argument is contingent? As opposed to a clear cut statement from Mihawk himself?
Post skip Zoro actually blitzed and statued a Fishman that could react to and poison Luffy, so yeah he would indeed blitz and one shot PTS Luffy, though I can't believe that really needs to be proven. Did you really just imply Mihawk and post skip Zoro can't blitz PTS Luffy? Being a feat whore is ok, but there should be a limit.
No it's not, for crying out load. The exact same can be accomplished with a large enough speed amd power advantage, something both you and I know Mihawk has over BoS Zoro just by virtue of being able to tag and outspeed Gear 2 at Marineford.
The scene was intended to show the vast gap in skill but ok. Anyway he scales above current Zoro anyway.
Current Zoro has no speed feats to sugges he could hang with Galand, unless you're going to make that contingent upon portrayal scaling to Brook, or even the laughable Punk Hazard.
Stay salty about Punk Hazard, I don't care, it's a perfectly valid feat that he scales to, as is Brook scaling, since Zoro was FTE to him pre timeskip and has fought and humiliated canonically better opponents than Brook did even post skip. Inb4 Brook has better combat speed because he has better running speed. I could also always scale to PTS lightning speed feats if I need to, which are actually consistent unlike in NNT.
It's rather Galand who has no speed feats to suggest he could hang with Zoro, unless you you're going to make that contingent upon his jump that has been debunked for years, or even the laughable BoS lightning timing.
This claim has already addressed and disected from multiple angles in previous posts, and you neglected to even attempt a rebuttal. Don't think repeating it changes anything.
Your counter was basically, "he has done it one time in the series, hence he won't do it here", when Mihawk has like 2-3 proper "fights" in the series, and the only time he ever faced a similar situation as he will with Galand (that is an opponent that can put themselves back) he resorted to spamming slices.
Galand takes it
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