Galactus vs Phoenix Force?

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#1  Edited By MUTANT413

I've always wondered which of these is more powerful...

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#2  Edited By ecsnclr

It's been made on the site already
and it was in a comic book Pheonix won

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#3  Edited By Tevnoba
ecsnclr said:
"It's been made on the site already
and it was in a comic book Pheonix won"
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#4  Edited By Hadrelius
ecsnclr said:
"It's been made on the site already
and it was in a comic book Pheonix won"

Against a starving Galactus!

Needs to be said!
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#5  Edited By ecsnclr
Alpha said:
"ecsnclr said:
"It's been made on the site already
and it was in a comic book Pheonix won"

Against a starving Galactus!

Needs to be said!"
She would probably win against a fed Galactus too
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#6  Edited By Hawk

Phoniex.....easy

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Let' ask Marvel what they think:

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Well Phoenix physically beat Galactus but he ended up screwing her over mentally...I am not sure. Stalemate perhaps?
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#8  Edited By ecsnclr

Well i do think that Phoenix can beat a fed Galactus but a modern Phoenix is much stronger than the Classic one you just showed

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#9  Edited By Hawk

I wouldn't say that that is the full measure of the Phoenix force.

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#10  Edited By ecsnclr
Hawk said:
"I wouldn't say that that is the full measure of the Phoenix force."

In that Scan it wasn't she was holding back and if she wasn't then it's bad writing
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#11  Edited By Hawk
ecsnclr said:
"Hawk said:
"I wouldn't say that that is the full measure of the Phoenix force."

In that Scan it wasn't she was holding back and if she wasn't then it's bad writing"
Also is that Rachel? Come on.
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They actually never say it's Rachel. The comic just refers to her as The Phoenix, in fact the comic doesn't even refer to her by Gender, she is just called an It. So I think it's really The Phoenix Force but it has taken on Rachel's form.

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#13  Edited By Hawk

Ah nah I'm not buying that one. It looks like Rachel it's Rachel......or it would be just the bird.

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#14  Edited By LegendaryKYJ

It is Rachel. Using the phoenix force. The OP doesn't say "Only Rachel Vs. Galactus" It says "Phoenix Force." So, yes, her defeat of Galactus being perfectly valid, he would run out of energy and she wouldn't.

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#15  Edited By ecsnclr
LegendaryKYJ said:
"It is Rachel. Using the phoenix force. The OP doesn't say "Only Rachel Vs. Galactus" It says "Phoenix Force." So, yes, her defeat of Galactus being perfectly valid, he would run out of energy and she wouldn't."

So no disagreements Phoenix wins ?
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Yeah, I think Phoenix takes the cake. Sorry Galactus :(

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#17  Edited By ecsnclr
King Hyperion said:
"Yeah, I think Phoenix takes the cake. Sorry Galactus :("
serves him right for wearing purple LOL
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#18  Edited By LegendaryKYJ
ecsnclr said:
"LegendaryKYJ said:
"It is Rachel. Using the phoenix force. The OP doesn't say "Only Rachel Vs. Galactus" It says "Phoenix Force." So, yes, her defeat of Galactus being perfectly valid, he would run out of energy and she wouldn't."

So no disagreements Phoenix wins ?"

IMO I think she does.
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#19  Edited By Kyriakos

Phoenix Force

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#20  Edited By marvel 12345

galactus is the supreme being but he was deprived of his need to eat but he would curbstomp the pheonix if at full power

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#21  Edited By ecsnclr
marvel 12345 said:
"galactus is the supreme being but he was deprived of his need to eat but he would curbstomp the pheonix if at full power"

You know most likely over half of CV would disagree with you there Phoenix at her full power would beat Galactus a full power
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#22  Edited By marvel 12345

i know but it's true he gave ss a fraction of his power an he's onpar wit her sooo

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#23  Edited By ecsnclr
marvel 12345 said:
"i know but it's true he gave ss a fraction of his power an he's onpar wit her sooo"
WFT You honestly think SS is on par with Phoenix your mad
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#24  Edited By marvel 12345
ecsnclr said:
"marvel 12345 said:
"i know but it's true he gave ss a fraction of his power an he's onpar wit her sooo"
WFT You honestly think SS is on par with Phoenix your mad"
i'm sain
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#25  Edited By ecsnclr
marvel 12345 said:
"ecsnclr said:
"marvel 12345 said:
"i know but it's true he gave ss a fraction of his power an he's onpar wit her sooo"
WFT You honestly think SS is on par with Phoenix your mad"
i'm sain"

Not if you think SS and Phoenix force are onpar she would kill him easy
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#26  Edited By marvel 12345
ecsnclr said:
"marvel 12345 said:
"ecsnclr said:
"marvel 12345 said:
"i know but it's true he gave ss a fraction of his power an he's onpar wit her sooo"
WFT You honestly think SS is on par with Phoenix your mad"
i'm sain"

Not if you think SS and Phoenix force are onpar she would kill him easy"

phoenix force
Powers

Future Life-Force Tap: The Phoenix Force can tap into the energy provided by life-force reserved for future generations, thus denying them existence. The Phoenix Force possesses limitless cosmic energy. With or without a host, it is one of the most powerful entities in the Marvel Universe.
  • Concussive Force Blasts: It can wield this energy to project beams of immense concussive force.
  • Quantum Singularity: It can transmigrate throughout time and space by folding its energy back into itself, causing it to collapse akin to a black hole. It then reforms itself upon reaching its destination.
  • Energy Absorption: It can directly absorb energy such as Cyclops' optic blasts or the entire energy of a sun.
  • Force of Life: The Phoenix Force can control life and death itself.
  • Psionic Nexus: As it is the nexus of all psionic energy, it has powerful mental abilities, including telepathy and telekinesis, and often seeks out hosts who have psionic abilities. When bonded with a host, the Phoenix Force amplifies their abilities to incalculable levels.
  • Matter Transmutation: It can manipulate matter on a sub-atomic level (e.g., turning wood to gold, stone to crystal, etc).
  • Teleportation: It can teleport others across vast distances.
  • Resurrection Force.

Its powers appear to be at their strongest when bonded to Jean Grey (possessing the powers of telekinetic/telepathic godhood, complete control over the realms of matter, energy, and thought), as the two have a strange, profound connection to each other (Jean is the closest thing the Force has to physical form).

Like Jean Grey-Summers, the Phoenix used telepathy and telekinesis, but at a much higher level. She was able to rearrange the molecular structure of matter and fly at supersonic speeds. Using the Phoenix Force, she could travel through hyperspace and destroy Shi'ar battlecruisers with little effort.

Powers galactus

Galactus possesses the immeasurable Power Cosmic and is one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe. He has even been referred to as "the most powerful creature in the universe." As such, Galactus is able to employ the limitless cosmic energy within him to produce virtually any effect he desires. A few of the abilities he has displayed are:

  • Size-Alteration: Ability to alter the physical size of persons or objects.
  • Molecular Restructuring: Ability to physically alter persons or objects through the manipulation of their comprising molecules.
  • Matter Transmutation: Ability to directly convert one form of matter into another form of matter. e.g. turning lead into gold.
  • Cosmic Teleportation: Ability to teleport beings and objects—even entire galaxies—across space and time.
  • Cosmic Force-Fields: Ability to erect completely impenetrable energy fields.
  • Cosmic Energy Projection: Ability to project energy with incalculable force.
  • Interdimensional & Intradimensional Portals: Ability to create wormholes between dimensions and within dimensions.
  • Cosmic Telepathy: Ability to read or communicate with other minds across universal distances.
  • Cosmic Telekinesis: Ability to move virtually unlimited amounts of mass through mental concentration.
  • Cosmic Awareness: Ability to sense disturbances or changes within the cosmic ether on a universal scale.
  • Resurrection: Ability to raise the dead.
  • Creation: Ability to create complex, sentient, biological life-forms from nothing.
  • Soul Manipulation: Ability to manipulate the souls of living beings.
  • Recreation: Ability to remake even an entire Solar System, including populations, the planets etc in every detail.
  • Power Bestowal: Galactus' heralds, whom he has endowed with a minuscule fraction of his cosmic power, are able to manipulate matter and energy in ways far beyond human comprehension.
  • Vitakinesis: Galactus is able to heal himself and others from all physical wounds although this may simply be molecular reconstruction.

silver surfer The Power Cosmic: The Silver Surfer possesses the Power Cosmic which was granted to him by Galactus, making Norrin one of the most powerful beings in the Universe. He has the ability to absorb and tap ambient cosmic energy into his body at will, and expel those energies violently, or in more subtle ways. He can channel beams of energy through his hands with sufficient destructive force to destroy planets easily, or wield the energies with such finesse as to restructure the molecules of the natural dyes within a plant to change its color. The Surfer can rearrange matter to create other configurations and can even transmute elements (such as turning a steel napkin holder into solid gold or tons of rock into harmless gas). Other uses of the Power Cosmic have included the ability to phase through objects, accelerate the evolution of lifeforms (even on planet wide scales), see the past by peeling back the layers of time, time travel, trans dimensional travel, the manipulation/absorption and discharge of any form of energy or radiation, and granting limited cosmic powers to others. The Silver Surfer also posses the ability to negate or suppress the powers of the other mutants/beings making them Temporarily or Permanently out of use to them.

Godlike Strength: The Surfer possesses tremendous physical strength, the exact limits of which are unknown. The Silver Surfer has enough strength at his base that has let him over power beings such as the Hulk's and his formidable rage-enhanced strength even in a weakened state. The Silver Surfer can easily lift (press) in excess of 100 tons at his base. He can augment the strength of his cosmic energy-powered body with the power cosmic to near infinite levels.

Invulnerability: The Silver Surfer's silvery "skin" was designed to easily withstand the rigors of deep-space travel, and thus far, it has proven to be virtually indestructible. In fact, his entire body was made highly resistant to injury and he is thus invulnerable to most types of physical harm. The Silver Surfer can easily withstand the crushing pressures of a black hole. He is not bothered by the friction associated with atmospheric re-entry, and has withstood plunges into stars and even a supernova unharmed. He also routinely weathers the stresses associated with high-speed travel through space and hyperspace. His body is sustained by cosmic energy, and thus the Surfer has no need for air, food, or water.

Godlike Stamina: The Surfer's highly enhanced musculature generates no fatigue toxins, granting him inexhaustible physical stamina.

  • Hyperspace Travel: By exceeding 99% of the speed of light (186,000 miles per second), the Silver Surfer can shift himself into hyperspace, a dimension in which velocity is not limited by the speed of light.
  • Interdimensional Teleportation: The Surfer can also compress his own bodily matter so as to shift himself into a so-called microverse. The distances Which he can teleport is almost limitless.

Total Control: The Silver Surfer has Full mental and physical control over his power cosmic, which is why it cannot be taken down by siphoning mutants.

An occurrence had taken place where the Living tribunal had shown a vision a how Zen-La once was, enraged by this The Silver Surfer had granted upon himself almost to a "godlike" state which had given him infinite power cosmic. Before the Surfer could do anything the Living tribunal had gone. However Galactus remained in a state of confusion as he did not know at the time who could possibly have power greater than his own. The Silver Surfer has potential to be more powerful than Galactus.

Essentially, the Power Cosmic gives the Surfer mastery over the four fundamental forces of the universe:

  • Electro-magnetism
  • Gravitikinesis: Manipulation of Gravity
  • Ability to store and discharge nuclear force (Strong/Weak Force).

Cosmic Senses: The Silver Surfer has certain cosmic-energy enhanced perceptions which enable him through concentration to become aware of the patterns of energy anywhere in the world. These abilities allow him far-ranging vision (in space he can see people clearly over a light year away), the ability to see sub-atomic particles, superhuman hearing, the ability to detect fields, traces, and concentrations of energy and discern their natures.

Cosmic Healing: He also has an affinity for the life-energies of living beings, and can use his cosmic energies to boost the natural healing powers of a wounded individual, even if they are near-death. He cannot, however, raise the dead.

Cosmic Self-Sustenance: The Silver Surfer does not need to eat or breathe since he absorbs life-maintaining cosmic energy directly through his skin.

Power Bestowal: The Silver Surfer has demonstrated the ability to bestow powers onto living beings although this may be a function of molecular reconstruction.
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#27  Edited By King Saturn
Galactus would lose to Phoenix Force... even if Galactus was at full power
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#28  Edited By ecsnclr
King Saturn said:
"Galactus would lose to Phoenix Force... even if Galactus was at full power
"

Thats what  said
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#29  Edited By King Saturn
ecsnclr said:
"King Saturn said:
"Galactus would lose to Phoenix Force... even if Galactus was at full power
"

Thats what  said"
Well maybe it will make more sense this time around

lmao
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#30  Edited By marvel 12345
King Saturn said:
"Galactus would lose to Phoenix Force... even if Galactus was at full power
"

Total Control: The Silver Surfer has Full mental and physical control over his power cosmic, which is why it cannot be taken down by siphoning mutants.

An occurrence had taken place where the Living tribunal had shown a vision a how Zen-La once was, enraged by this The Silver Surfer had granted upon himself almost to a "godlike" state which had given him infinite power cosmic. Before the Surfer could do anything the Living tribunal had gone. However Galactus remained in a state of confusion as he did not know at the time who could possibly have power greater than his own. The Silver Surfer has potential to be more powerful than Galactus.
question  would'nt that mean galactus can do the same since he gave him the power
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#31  Edited By AtPhantom
marvel 12345 said:
"King Saturn said:
"Galactus would lose to Phoenix Force... even if Galactus was at full power
"

Total Control: The Silver Surfer has Full mental and physical control over his power cosmic, which is why it cannot be taken down by siphoning mutants.

An occurrence had taken place where the Living tribunal had shown a vision a how Zen-La once was, enraged by this The Silver Surfer had granted upon himself almost to a "godlike" state which had given him infinite power cosmic. Before the Surfer could do anything the Living tribunal had gone. However Galactus remained in a state of confusion as he did not know at the time who could possibly have power greater than his own. The Silver Surfer has potential to be more powerful than Galactus.
question  would'nt that mean galactus can do the same since he gave him the power
"
But his power can be siphoned by Doctor Doom?

He doesn't have absolute control, his control can be over ridden by beings more powerful than him. Surfer does not have more potential than Galactus and Galactus does not have more power than phoenix.
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#32  Edited By King Saturn
marvel 12345 said:
"King Saturn said:
"Galactus would lose to Phoenix Force... even if Galactus was at full power
"

Total Control: The Silver Surfer has Full mental and physical control over his power cosmic, which is why it cannot be taken down by siphoning mutants.

An occurrence had taken place where the Living tribunal had shown a vision a how Zen-La once was, enraged by this The Silver Surfer had granted upon himself almost to a "godlike" state which had given him infinite power cosmic. Before the Surfer could do anything the Living tribunal had gone. However Galactus remained in a state of confusion as he did not know at the time who could possibly have power greater than his own. The Silver Surfer has potential to be more powerful than Galactus.
question  would'nt that mean galactus can do the same since he gave him the power
"
The Scale of the Surfer's power and Galactus are not on par with the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix Force is an Omniversal Presence... where as Galactus is merely a possessor of a Cosmic Power that grants him power of a Universe at best ( and even thats somewhat of a stretch )...
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#33  Edited By Tevnoba
King Saturn said:
"Galactus would lose to Phoenix Force... even if Galactus was at full power
"
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#34  Edited By Hawk
Tevnoba said:
"King Saturn said:
"Galactus would lose to Phoenix Force... even if Galactus was at full power
"
"
Awesome point.
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#35  Edited By Djinn

 i think the phoenix would win but, thats probably just because i like her she has beaten galactus but he was weak

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I know it's from a What If? comic but it's still a Phoenix/Galactus battle nonetheless and one that could have easily went exactly like this on Earth-616.

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#37  Edited By King Saturn
How Old is that Comic ?
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King Saturn said:
"How Old is that Comic ?
"
It's from 1981. The comic itself is What If? vol.1 #27 a.k.a. the original What If The Phoenix Had Not Died? Pretty good but the ending is kinda...predictable:

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#39  Edited By King Saturn
Wow... 1981 ? Damn... that Comic is older than me by a few years

lol
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#40  Edited By ecsnclr

Phoenix wins then why people doubt her i don't know ?

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Because some people refuse to believe that Phoenix can beat Galactus even if he was at full power despite the fact that she has used him as a punching bag in two different Universes. Thus they deny our truthful claims that Phoenix can indeed beat Galactus.

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#42  Edited By ecsnclr
King Hyperion said:
"Because some people refuse to believe that Phoenix can beat Galactus even if he was at full power despite the fact that she has used him as a punching bag in two different Universes."

Some people are nooobs LOL
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That too. I believe wholeheartedly that all Noobs should be punished...for being NOOBS!

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#44  Edited By ecsnclr
King Hyperion said:
"That too. I believe wholeheartedly that all Noobs should be punished...for being NOOBS!"

Death to all Noobs they should have noob police LOL
and if people show there noobs then we go round there house and brake there legs with a hammer LOL XD
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#45  Edited By Vrakmul

Galactus is a giant rechargeable battery, nothing more, a battery with god powers but still just a battery.   The Phoenix is a battery that is always plugged into the recharger.  

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ecsnclr said:
"King Hyperion said:
"That too. I believe wholeheartedly that all Noobs should be punished...for being NOOBS!"

Death to all Noobs they should have noob police LOL
and if people show there noobs then we go round there house and brake there legs with a hammer LOL XD"
Yes...an intergalactic Police Force dedicated to destroying all Noobs...I shall call it THE ANTI-NOOB LANTERN CORPS!! But we wont have rings...no every member of the Anti-Noob Lantern Corps gets...a complete six-piece set of INFINITY GEMS!!!

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#47  Edited By The_Scourge
Phoenix Force>Galactus
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#48  Edited By claws

Fresh Prince said:

"Phoenix Force>Galactus
"


 

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#49  Edited By ecsnclr
King Hyperion said:
"ecsnclr said:
"King Hyperion said:
"That too. I believe wholeheartedly that all Noobs should be punished...for being NOOBS!"

Death to all Noobs they should have noob police LOL
and if people show there noobs then we go round there house and brake there legs with a hammer LOL XD"
Yes...an intergalactic Police Force dedicated to destroying all Noobs...I shall call it THE ANTI-NOOB LANTERN CORPS!! But we wont have rings...no every member of the Anti-Noob Lantern Corps gets...a complete six-piece set of INFINITY GEMS!!!

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Join THE ANTI-NOOB LANTERN CORPS today or suffer the CONSEQUENCES! So do yourself a favor and become a part of something meaningful. Be a part of THE REVOLUTION!"

If we all had IG gems then we would all go to war with each other and destroy the universe but at least that will kill all the noobs LOL
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#50  Edited By Vrakmul
ecsnclr said:
"King Hyperion said:
"ecsnclr said:
"King Hyperion said:
"That too. I believe wholeheartedly that all Noobs should be punished...for being NOOBS!"

Death to all Noobs they should have noob police LOL
and if people show there noobs then we go round there house and brake there legs with a hammer LOL XD"
Yes...an intergalactic Police Force dedicated to destroying all Noobs...I shall call it THE ANTI-NOOB LANTERN CORPS!! But we wont have rings...no every member of the Anti-Noob Lantern Corps gets...a complete six-piece set of INFINITY GEMS!!!

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Join THE ANTI-NOOB LANTERN CORPS today or suffer the CONSEQUENCES! So do yourself a favor and become a part of something meaningful. Be a part of THE REVOLUTION!"

If we all had IG gems then we would all go to war with each other and destroy the universe but at least that will kill all the noobs LOL"
The universe is but one of an infinite number of universes in a multiverse which is but one of an infinite number of multiverses in the omniverse, which is everything there is and ever shall be.