@paxa: I wish Oda were more consistent with his drawings. The first interpretation with Sunny next giant fox statue would make Onigashima massive. (Using canon measurement.) But shots of Onigashima near Flower Capital in recent chapter make it look smaller. I'd like to believe recent is quick sketch but it's whatever.. still a good feat even with low balled Oni size.
@paxa: I wish Oda were more consistent with his drawings. The first interpretation with Sunny next giant fox statue would make Onigashima massive. (Using canon measurement.) But shots of Onigashima near Flower Capital in recent chapter make it look smaller. I'd like to believe recent is quick sketch but it's whatever.. still a good feat even with low balled Oni size.
@paxa: That second scan is from a weird angle where the entire island isn't even fully visible, if you have a basic knowledge of trigonometry you should know that viewing objects at a significant tilt like that on a flat page would make them look much smaller than they actually are.
Use direct, close up shots to get the accurate size, like the first one of the entrance.
He one shots with an Island Sized punch? Kenpachi will rip through Luffy's fist easily as he did that meteor. Where is this wank coming from? He took his same amount of strength doubled nearly tripled back onto him when he fought Gerard UNRESTRICTED... He'd tank what Luffy has easily. Kenny in restricted Shikai is Small Continental because of him being able to CASUALLY destroy meteors of that magnitude with just a simple strike.
I'm not saying the meteor itself was Small Continental I'm saying that he can easily reach that scale and higher by just swinging his sword(And this is while heavily restricted. Even if Kenny had some problems with him as soon as he takes off the eye patch and use Kendo it's a wrap... But he wouldn't need to). Y'all are mentioning Bajrang which is a special attack but Kenny doesn't need a special move... He can literally just swing at that level of power... You really think Luffy has an answer for that?
And as someone pointed out very nicely... Luffy didn't cause the earthquake it was a chain reaction(very solid point indeed).
Imagine Gremmy launched 4 more of those same sized meteors... Kenny would obliterate them just as casually he did the first one(This is why he's Small Continental but actually greater... He literally swings at this level of strength... No special moves, techniques or abilities... Just a slash, while RESTRICTED). The Seireitei in CANON has been stated and caled to be the size of Texas by Yoruichi's statements... Yoruichi for one is one of the fastest Shinigami. It's not wrong to take her word for it and in Non Canon it's been said the same(Los Noches is the size of a large Island-small country, the Seireitei is much bigger than Los Noches)
That meteor was way beyond the size to destroy Texas(Look at the meteor Fujitora lauched on Dressrosa than look at Gremmy's meteor on Seiretei... Gremmy's meteor looks to be the same size as Dressrosa😭😭😭)... That would've caused large country+-continental destruction. People try to degrade it based on it's speed or size but it was actually moving very fast for it's mass... Something that big would've wiped out more than just the Seireitei.
Ichigo could rip through a Gran Rey Cero that was said if fired more times it would destroy Los Noches, Kenny ripped through the vacuum of space... While still being heavily restricted... How much force do you need to pull if a feat like that?
Kenny is swinging at Small Continental in restricted Shikai. Unrestricted he should be x2.5-x3 stronger in Dc... Multi-Continental.
Luffy ain't no Small and definitely not Multi-Continental.
And speed? Kenpachi doesn't have a fast travel speed, his reaction timing is what he excels in. You get in close like a Bajrang fist you'll be split in two.
And whatever you smoking or drinking you need to stop it... Luffy beats an army of Bankai Kenpachi? Now I know y'all are trolling.
Y'all do know Los noches and definitely Seireitei are larger than Onigashima right? Lol.
Kenny fodderizes Luffy.
Spatial negacion, soul manipulation and extreme cutting Dc and better durability(survived the vacuum of space, took his own power back onto him that measures up to his RESTRICTED Shikai form and did the same for Bankai which is a x10 boost... That was Gerard, the more punishment he receives the stronger he gets and he kept on matching Kenpachi's strength. A Bajrang which is an attack vs someone who can constantly dish out that type of power casually... Get real, Kenny sends him to the Soul Society)
Don't mention Haki as he'd easily rip through that.(spatial and soul hax)
Don't mention Bajrang which is a special move and Kenpachi can casually swing at that level of power.
Don't mention speed as Kenny reaction timing is what makes him fast, not movement speed... Getting in close would be a bad move and launching a fist in his direction will get get it split in half.
Y'all say that Onigashima is large but Oda draws it inconsistently a lot of the times... That can be said the same for Los Noches and Seireitei... But statements back up their size. Yoruichi provided the statement for the Seireitei and Nel for Los Noches... Yoruichi is one of the fastest Shinigami... Nel even though in child form is not a regular human, she's a Espada and is accompanied by a serpent Hollow who she could easily ride on to get around... She even outran Ichigo before.
Wank your verse but degrade the opposing verse lol come on now.
@paxa: I wish Oda were more consistent with his drawings. The first interpretation with Sunny next giant fox statue would make Onigashima massive. (Using canon measurement.) But shots of Onigashima near Flower Capital in recent chapter make it look smaller. I'd like to believe recent is quick sketch but it's whatever.. still a good feat even with low balled Oni size.
Yeah,this is large
This is piss small
Oda is way to inconsistent with his sizes
pixel scaling using the first 2 scans gives onigashima roughly 5.5km diameter.
Tsuka is roughly 500m which fits in line with the katana being kilometers in the statements
@paxa: That second scan is from a weird angle where the entire island isn't even fully visible, if you have a basic knowledge of trigonometry you should know that viewing objects at a significant tilt like that on a flat page would make them look much smaller than they actually are.
Use direct, close up shots to get the accurate size, like the first one of the entrance.
I count that more as Inconsistent Piece.Remember Law´s Hole and BM?BM was on that panel several km´s tall
Its just Oda being Oda.I still think the first full view of Oni,which i posted above,is the best we can use.16km Oni makes sense imo
I am sure there are art inconsistencies in OP like any other series however this is just not a good example of that. You can't use a weird perspective from a significant tilt where most of the island isn't even visible to downplay the size, not how it works.
If you think it has a size of 16 km why still resort to mindless downplay lol.
@ninjarizer: Your dishonesty is pretty funny. You are like car saleman for Bleach wank.
For the record, I don't prefer One Piece over Bleach or Bleach over One Piece. Just call it how I see it
Sure you can wank meteor to country sized. Doesn't make it correct. You can also pull up scans of the meteor looming over the Seritei and it clearly is not country sized or comparable in size to the Seritei itself. Seritei is even directly referred to as a city in multiple panels. Gegard falling over was stated to have the force the blow the whole thing over.
Not even going to get into your fallacious attempt at low balling the Bajrang. You clearly debate with prejudice and it shows.
Are you serious right now? You know a meteor doesn't have to be the size of a country to destroy a country right? A building sized meteor can destroy a city as said by scientist and a mountain sized meteor can destroy an Island. That meteor was way beyond the size of a building and mountain
Respectfully that was the stupidest assumption yet your attacking him saying he's wanking... Lol. And a city? When has the Seireitei been referred to anything but the Seireitei😭😭it's never been referred to being a city wtf😭😭🤣your the one that's wanking and degrading here. It seems you lost your mind and got in your feelings of what's being said and made up very incorrect judgements and fallacies about Bleach. What makes it large country sized+ destruction is its mass compared to Seireitei and speed at which it's coming down at.
The meteor is completely inflamed and HUGE covering a wide length of the Seireitei. Yoruichi says it takes 10 days to walk from gate to gate. A movie and the LN further support the claim... To try and measure the size by pixel scaling and whatever else is foolish... The author already provided canon and supporting statements(He had supervision over the 3rd movie that was produced and also oversaw on some ideas and other things for the novels). We all know Kubo sucks in the first place with background drawings but character designs and shading is what he mainly focuses on... That's why things like the 1000ri Ichibei feat gets everyone so butthurt because he didn't draw any background to show how far he was launched but by his statements its literally 3927 kilometers and he blitzes him shortly after that(People degrade this feat and say "well we never saw him get pushed that far so we don't know if that's true or not"... HE LITERALLY EXPLAINS THAT THE ABILITY PUSHES YOU BACK 1000ri)
There's inconsistencies in the drawings with sizing of it being small-large-medium-average many times but the statements stay consistent.
And Gerard was for one in another dimension to fall from if he did and Toshiro says to Kenpachi "what do you think will happen if we make him any bigger and he falls down"... Gerard himself gets bigger and STRONGER the more he receives punishment he himself could've easily destroyed that meteor with a punch... He's a beast.
And he did make a good point about the Bajrang creating a chain reaction of earthquakes and a lava explosion so I don't see how he was prejudice, he was logical just like Luffy who used science to stop Raigo... He used gold as a conductor and dispersed the electricity which is the main destructive component in the Raigo... He didn't use any ability to stop Raigo instead he played it smart.
Your the one that's being prejudice and a nut right now chill out.
Here look at Sokyoku Hill... Then look at Pica... Sokyoku Hill would be the same size as Pica and Pica sized meteors are the only real meteor feats One Piece characters have and Gremmy's meteor dwarfs that many times over... Kenny obliterated something like that EASILY without putting forth much effort.
(Why would Kubo keep his background work consistent or nice when he rarely cares to draw backgrounds for one lol, statements keep the same consistency compared to the art as the art ranges lesser, higher rinse and repeat each time for sizes)
Your dishonesty is pretty funny. You are like car saleman for Bleach wank.
Dishonesty means lying. What did I lie about? Just one thing. Make sure it’s a lie.
Sure you can wank meteor to country sized.
Never said it was country sized. Reading comprehension is key.
Doesn't make it correct.
This is just ridiculous, what kind of argument is this? You haven’t actually said anything, which is typical of someone who throws around the word wank like a baseball.
You can also pull up scans of the meteor looming over the Seritei and it clearly is not country sized or comparable in size to the Seritei itself.
There we go. Pixel scaling is crap. We agree. Why are you using it?
Seritei is even directly referred to as a city in multiple panels.
Ridiculous argument. If you read the Bleach manga, there are several dozen times where they are stated to be cities inside of Seireitei, rendering this logic moot.
Gegard falling over was stated to have the force the blow the whole thing over.
Taking someone statements at face value, while ignoring another? Like you didn’t even read what Toshiro said:
what do you think’ll happen if we…
MAKE HIM ANY BIGGER AND HE FALLS DOWN!?
Gerard was comparable to a skyscraper in height at that point.
He’d have to be moving at an ungodly speed for annihilation to occur even to a city. Toshiro didn’t even take into account the Shakonmaku (literally makes no sense what he’s saying) it’s a ridiculous plot point and in no way indicates the size of Seireitei. We have no idea how big they’d have to make him to annihilate Seireitei.
You know Askin Nakk Le Var thought he’d die if he fell off the Soul Palace right?
The same Soul Palace Renji, Rukia and Byakuya dived off headfirst and smashed into the Shakonmaku? Ichigo did the same too?
The meteor is completely inflamed and HUGE covering a wide length of the Seireitei. Yoruichi says it takes 10 days to walk from gate to gate. A movie and the LN further support the claim... To try and measure the size by pixel scaling and whatever else is foolish... The author already provided canon and supporting statements(He had supervision over the 3rd movie that was produced and also oversaw on some ideas and other things for the novels). We all know Kubo sucks in the first place with background drawings but character designs and shading is what he mainly focuses on... That's why things like the 1000ri Ichibei feat gets everyone so butthurt because he didn't draw any background to show how far he was launched but by his statements its literally 3927 kilometers and he blitzes him shortly after that(People degrade this feat and say "well we never saw him get pushed that far so we don't know if that's true or not"... HE LITERALLY EXPLAINS THAT THE ABILITY PUSHES YOU BACK 1000ri)
Wait wait, are you using a movie as source material? 3rd party novel!? Well then, Zoro's meteor feat from Stampede counts and Luffy still stomps.
You do know 10 days to walk from one gate to the next gate could not be a straight line right? They could be going along a hiking trail which would explain the long path through the wilderness. This is what we see on the panel. We don't see them do a full circular walk around the entire place, closely following the wall as so many wankers try to say.
You don't need Bajrang Gun to get G5 Luffy to continental levels and above, being stronger than Kaido whose combat strength is confirmed above Marineford WB who has continental feats with mere shockwaves is enough. Kenpachi has no stat advantage here, and is otherwise as vanilla a brick as it gets. Luffy low diffs.
You don't need Bajrang Gun to get G5 Luffy to continental levels and above, being stronger than Kaido whose combat strength is confirmed above Marineford WB who has continental feats with mere shockwaves is enough. Kenpachi has no stat advantage here, and is otherwise as vanilla a brick as it gets. Luffy low diffs.
You think Marineford Whitebeard vs Kenpachi is a solid matchup? Seriously my guy? Seriously?
You don't need Bajrang Gun to get G5 Luffy to continental levels and above, being stronger than Kaido whose combat strength is confirmed above Marineford WB who has continental feats with mere shockwaves is enough. Kenpachi has no stat advantage here, and is otherwise as vanilla a brick as it gets. Luffy low diffs.
You think Marineford Whitebeard vs Kenpachi is a solid matchup? Seriously my guy? Seriously?
MF WB quakes Kennys ass away.Far to much firepower for Wankpachi
@kajin_style: Yeah I used the movie for a statement that's backed up by canon and the Novels(Only used because the same statement for the Seireitei is said all throughout Bleach) Zoro's meteor feat or anything that happened in the movie doesn't match up with the story line or feats.
The Seireitei is known to be circular in structure, I have no idea what your talking about. The Barrier even forms around it as a circular dome. And the Rukongai is circular as well which is outside of the Seireitei.
@paxa: Kenny being a casual large country-Continental buster in restricted Shikai(Casual swings not even special attacks. Ripped space and that meteor that would've destroyed more than just the Seireitei)mode to being Multi-Continental in unrestricted Shikai mode.
And then... There's Bankai... A x10 stat/power boost... Yeah Kenny vapes.
@paxa: Kenny being a casual large country-Continental buster in restricted Shikai(Casual swings not even special attacks. Ripped space and that meteor that would've destroyed more than just the Seireitei)mode to being Multi-Continental in unrestricted Shikai mode.
And then... There's Bankai... A x10 stat/power boost... Yeah Kenny vapes.
@paxa: Its called calc stacking. And it's valid calc stacking at that. Why shouldn't I be able to calc stack tf?
Shikai and Bankai are literally calc stacking forms lol... Bankai stacks on a x10 multiplier in stats/power from Shikai tf😭😭🤣
Calc stacking is very relevant for Bleach especially Kenpachi.
His Continental ranking is based off his ability to cause that type of destruction(Meteor and spatial rip casually).
Imagine Gremmy launched 4 more of those meteors... Kenny would obliterate all 4 of them CASUALLY again as he did the first. That's why he's already put at Small continent(Seireitei being the size of Texas... That meteor having the power to destroy it. Plus another 4 that Kenny could easily destroy... Already Small Continental+ not even adding the spatial rip). He could easily destroy a Small Continent while restricted, a released eye patch and Kendo using Kenny while in SHIKAI would be a x2.5-x3 added in power and he'd be Multi-Continental.
You don't need Bajrang Gun to get G5 Luffy to continental levels and above, being stronger than Kaido whose combat strength is confirmed above Marineford WB who has continental feats with mere shockwaves is enough. Kenpachi has no stat advantage here, and is otherwise as vanilla a brick as it gets. Luffy low diffs.
You think Marineford Whitebeard vs Kenpachi is a solid matchup? Seriously my guy? Seriously?
Not what I said. Marineford Whitebeard probabaly loses to most relevant Bleach top tiers due to his ass durability and inconsistent usage of haki but in sheer raw power he is definitely up there.
@paxa: Its called calc stacking. And it's valid calc stacking at that. Why shouldn't I be able to calc stack tf?
Shikai and Bankai are literally calc stacking forms lol... Bankai stacks on a x10 multiplier in stats/power from Shikai tf😭😭🤣
Calc stacking is very relevant for Bleach especially Kenpachi.
His Continental ranking is based off his ability to cause that type of destruction(Meteor and spatial rip casually).
Imagine Gremmy launched 4 more of those meteors... Kenny would obliterate all 4 of them CASUALLY again as he did the first. That's why he's already put at Small continent(Seireitei being the size of Texas... That meteor having the power to destroy it. Plus another 4 that Kenny could easily destroy... Already Small Continental+ not even adding the spatial rip). He could easily destroy a Small Continent while restricted, a released eye patch and Kendo using Kenny while in SHIKAI would be a x2.5-x3 added in power and he'd be Multi-Continental.
Calc stacking is relevant.
Lol,whats that for a post?
Calcstacking is a no-go.Funny that only Cloroxnerds and FTnerds uses this bs
Gremmy is way to garbage to summon 4 meteors.That birdbrain needed 1 clone for 1 Meteor.4 Meteors at the same time?Yeah no.Also thats just a "what if" scenario made by you
@sp4ce: Luffy doesn't have a "weakness" to piercing, he is just not nigh immune to it like he is to blunt force. You still need piercing relative to his tier to start hurting him. And that's just for base, with haki it's a different matter entirely.
Calc stacking is a no go? Says who... That's literally how scaling works lol who are you to tell someone they can't calc stack especially when Bleach verse is all about calc stacking(Ressureccion, Shikai, Bankai, Volstanding etc..) Their forms are literally calc stacks.
And I said if Gremmy "hypothetically"(obviously it was a what if scenario lol)summoned 4 more meteors Kenny could easily obliterate all of them as he did the first... What's to say he couldn't? Him swinging at that level of power to destroy the first proves he could've destroyed more... It was a casual swing while restricted... What's wrong about calc stacking him based off him being restricted... You do know when he removes his eye patch(which eats away a lot if his Reiatsu)and uses Kendo(Increases maximum power in his strikes with two hands) that's a means to calc stack his power even further right?
Kenny is swinging at that level of power while restricted. Luffy, Zoro, Kaido and others would need special attacks to do the things he does, all he has to do is just swing
Your just not smart enough to understand the reason and why calc stacking works.
Gerard evened out with Kenny who was unrestricted(Multi-Continental in Dc) and Kenny tanked what he had... Bajrang isn't one shotting even if you believed he couldn't rip through it(which i believe Kenny could do, if he went Bankai he'd bite his arm off like he did Gerard but Bankai is overkill)
Calc stacking is a no go? Says who... That's literally how scaling works lol who are you to tell someone they can't calc stack especially when Bleach verse is all about calc stacking(Ressureccion, Shikai, Bankai, Volstanding etc..) Their forms are literally calc stacks.
And I said if Gremmy "hypothetically"(obviously it was a what if scenario lol)summoned 4 more meteors Kenny could easily obliterate all of them as he did the first... What's to say he couldn't? Him swinging at that level of power to destroy the first proves he could've destroyed more... It was a casual swing while restricted... What's wrong about calc stacking him based off him being restricted... You do know when he removes his eye patch(which eats away a lot of his Reiatsu)and uses Kendo(Increases maximum power in his strikes with two hands) that's a means to calc stack his power even further right? How is it a no go to do so when the verse literally does it themselves.
Kenny is swinging at that level of power while restricted, no moves or techniques... Just a slash of his sword. Luffy, Zoro, Kaido and others would need special attacks to do the things he does, all he has to do is just swing... Luffy isn't consistently swinging at Bajrang levels of power.
Your just not smart enough to understand the reason and why calc stacking works.
Gerard evened out with Kenny who was unrestricted(Multi-Continental in Dc) and Kenny tanked what he had... Bajrang isn't one shotting even if you believed he couldn't rip through it(which i believe Kenny could do, if he went Bankai he'd bite his arm off like he did Gerard but Bankai is overkill)
Yes. Luffy has Kenny beat in speed... After that, that's it. Someone made a good point about Bajrang earthquake volcanic feat... When he buried Kaido underground with that punch the earthquake or volcano didn't erupt suddenly... It was a chain reaction... Not a direct feat or cause of Bajrang as you all make it seen to be
What's one attack to someone who can consistently dish out that level of power while being restricted... The Seireitei is bigger than Onigashima(the size of Texas).. The meteor Kenny destroyed was going to destroy it... And he only slashed it once with no special attack, move or technique... Just a casual strike. Can Luffy tank CASUAL strikes at that level of power?
I think not. And I didn't even count his orbit of space rip.
And you used a part of my comment, I said that's how scaling works in Bleach as each form adds x5-x10-x15 in stats/power for each form power up... That's how Kenny consistently swings at higher levels of Dc and Ap that One Piece characters need special moves can do... Mans doesn't need a special move Kenny himself is that special move🤣🤣
@kajin_style: Yeah I used the movie for a statement that's backed up by canon and the Novels(Only used because the same statement for the Seireitei is said all throughout Bleach) Zoro's meteor feat or anything that happened in the movie doesn't match up with the story line or feats.
The Seireitei is known to be circular in structure, I have no idea what your talking about. The Barrier even forms around it as a circular dome. And the Rukongai is circular as well which is outside of the Seireitei.
It does match up with the story line of feats. What Zoro did to Pica and then the bigger feats of him blocking a combo attack from the emperors', or massive horn being cut off, or him actually doing some damage to Kaido, are all feats that match up with the meteor one.
Now I'm not trying to nitpick or shame/bash those feats... But how do they equal the Stampede meteor, is Pica or Kaido's horn equal to stopping an Island level threat? Same with blocking the emperor's attacks?
I don't think splitting Pica is equal to stopping a flaming meteor crashing through earths atmosphere nor cutting Kaido's horn. But what attack did he block from the emperor's?
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