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Manga/Canon feats only
Boros can only use his First Form
Latent Energy=/=Reiatsu
Reiatsu Crush is restricted
Boros can see them both
Everyone is bloodlusted but IC
Wins by Death or K.O.
CSRC is restricted for obviously reasons
I mean, in the scans I showed Boros is clearly engaging with Saitama multiple times in CQC and only in the anime was it shown that Saitama was actively running away (which doesn't apply here, this is manga only.).
It don't, you can see by yourself that Saitama is merely blocking Boros's attacks and evading his punches, it says nothing about keeping up with him and it doesn't proves that Boros is Relativistic, he barely could touch Saitama and hitting him just one time is not proof of Relativistic speed either since we know that Saitama usually let his opponents hits him.
So i'm not sure what is so hard to believe, Boros in unsealed was keeping up with a casual Saitama.
He is not keeping up with Saitama, he is just running after him while Saitama dodges and block his strikes, and I'm curious, how fast is a casual Saitama to being with ? Can you prove with feats that he can run at Relativistic speeds ? His best running feats are faster than sound speeds and there is nothing proving that he was fighting at Relativistic speeds at that time.
This is true and I am aware of this, Saitama constantly lets his opponents hit him as he mostly decides to do nothing (Kabuto for example.) But in this case it's different, Boros was already consistently trading blows with Saitama (which he blocked)
Which I never denied, but there is nothing proving that he was trading blows with Saitama, he was running after him and was punching him while Saitama was dodging and blocking, the manga scan for examples shows that the Blows were only coming from Boros and not from Saitama.
but then managed to land a blow on him.
He needed to put a huge amount of strength on it, not to mention there is nothing proving that hit Saitama requires Relativistic speeds, the same Saitama was also hit by Geryuungashoop's Sub-Light speed rocks more than Boros's punches.
This is similar to the Garou fight where Saitama was actively blocking/dodging attacks, but Garou eventually tagged him.
I will read that later just to make sure I'm not recalling wrong, so I pretend to not debate about MG.
Boros is considered to be equal to Garou (whether that is Meteoric Burst or Unsealed is up to assumption though, I'm going safe and saying both.) This is different to say, for example, Kabuto smacking Saitama around.
Who said that Boros and Garou are equal ? ONE said that a battle between them would be cool and all but he even stated that Garou would have a certain advantaged when it comes to combat so trying to scale both based on simple that looks blatantly wrong IMO.
As for whether it's a durability/reaction/combat speed feat, it can be all of them depending on how you interpret it.
Basically what I said but okay.
I disagree on this not scaling to Boros, Boros was capable to consistently trading blows and staying close to Saitama and even tagged him.
Boros didn't keep up with Saitama, he ran towards him trying to hit blows on him which based on the fact that we know that Saitama was throw away when Boros landed the hit is enough to say that he wasn't managing to hit him at first, not to mention that even Geryuungashoop's Sub-light speed rocks managed to hit Saitama multiple times.
The context here is more important. it is very clear that this fight is very different to any fight Saitama engaged in before (Or after, at least until Garou that is) and Saitama even recognized Boros as being 'pretty strong.'
I'm aware, but it says nothing about Boros being Relativistic at FF, for example just cuz he was stated to be stronger it doesn't means that he speed is comparable or faster than Geryuungashoop's Sub-light speed rocks, those rocks were that fast cuz Geryuungashoop was using his TK to throw them which can't be scaled to any character speed since we know that it is not connected to Geryuungashoop's own speed, and those same rocks hit Saitama far more times than Boros's punches did.
I mean, Geryuganshoops rocks were a joke to him, but Boros (even in unsealed) was enough to impress him.
Although they were a bad joke to him, Saitama was hit by it more than Boros's blows, and Boros only impressed him cuz he survived his punch, it says nothing about his speed at his first form.
Thing is, meteoric burst Boros was also keeping up with Saitama in a similar manner to unsealed
Nope, the first thing that Boros did was blitz Saitama and even impress him to the point that later Saitama said that this really looked like a real fight, there is nothing proving that both are comparable since we know that MB produces far more power and speed than Boros's first form considering that it exceeds the body's limitations
and you also believe that MB Boros is relativistic, which I do agree with. But MB didn't really do anything more impressive than Unsealed other than 'blitzing' a Saitama that was standing still. Both forms are relativistic.
Except that this is the main point, Saitama was clearly impressed by Boros's MB when he flied towards him and Boros admits that this form grants him speed far above the living flesh can reach so it is obviously far more powerful than his first form and just his punch alone managed to produce DC equal as his Beam at first form, so claim that he is Relativistic based on this is again wrong considering that MB is far superior to his first form.
The thing is, Unsealed has literally no quantifiable speed feats.
This is basically what I mean, everything we know is that he is superior to his crew and Melzagard could keep up with Puri-Puri Prisoner, AS, and Bang which means that Boros is at least at the MHS+ Range.
Also not sure on what you mean by Boros not scaling to this, Boros is equal to Monster Garou who even in his weaker form was capable of effortlessly blitzing Flash.
MB Boros due scale to this, but there is nothing proving that FF Boros is comparable to Flashy Flash and neither that Boros at his first form is comparable or stronger than Monster Garou, and like I said before, ONE stated that Garou would have an advantaged against Boros when it comes to physical combat, and if you want to take into account the web-comic, Flashy Flash's Feat against Garou was calculated to be Hypersonic + only, let's wait for the reboot and take our conclusions for now bring the web-comic seems wrong.
In fact, Unsealed is barely even high hypersonic by scaling off of other characters in the verse and scaling off of them wouldn't make sense as Boros is far superior. Which is why I scale him to casual Saitama and Flash and Garou. The latter two being a better basis than Saitama who always holds back.
Already addressed by some good scale Boros can be easily put at the MHS + Range since he is superior to his crew such as Melzagard who was keeping up with multiple S-Class Heroes at once.
What feats actually put Unsealed in 3 digit mach?
Being superior to Melzargard who was keeping up with 3 S-Class Heroes at once.
Like, you want to ignore scaling to Flash but you're fine scaling him to other characters despite Boros himself being
comparable to Garou.
Cuz as far I'm concerned no one of his crew or even himself fought against Flashy Flash so trying to scale him based on simple this is wrong, and like I said before, Boros would be outclassed by Garou in a CQC according to ONE which makes the feat even harder to scale, and again, land a single hit on Saitama is not proof of Relativistic speeds since even Geryuungashoop's sub-light speed rocks could hit Saitama.
Even then, when you put him at 3 digit mach that is also assumption.
Nope, being superior to Melzargard is enough to put him at that level, Atomic Samurai feat for example was calc IIRC to be at the 3 Digit Mach Range and Melzargard was keeping up with him until letting his guard down.
Meanwhile it is much more reliable to scale him off of Garou
It is not, proof that ONE is comparing Monster Garou with FF Boros ?
AND Flash, and Saitama.
No scales to Saitama, and FF Boros cannot be scaled to Flashy Flash since the later never fought Boros and Boros only managed to reach Relativistic speeds at MB.
First one because he is considered comparable
He is not, when one stated this ? He said that would be a hell of fight.
second one because first character could blitz said character
Any evidence that proves that FF Boros = Monster Garou ?
finally Saitama in which he was capable of engaging in CQC with him across a massive room.
He didn't, he just ran towards Saitama while the later dodged and blocked his punches, hit him once is not proof of Relativistic speeds neither considering that Sub-light speed rocks also hit Saitama
I haven't see this
I'm not saying Boros wins this, just saying that unsealed is definitely above 3 digit mach.
Okay, I respect your opinion then. Let's simple agree to disagree and stop this debate it seems wrong the OP arguing on his own thread.
Ulquiorra by himself is more than enough to destroy the entire one punchn man verse, he does not need anyone else's help, leaving asides that he is far more powerful than awakened boros in his second awakening, he also is linked to the spirit world due to being an arrancar, so nobody there can conclusively interact with him, and his regular blasts are too powerful for them to do anything against, let alone his named attacks
Both those fodders gets a free trip to the moon even in his first form
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