Fujitora and Doflamingo vs Whitebeard's Commanders

Bloodlusted! To Death!

Whitebeard's Division Commanders: Marco "the Phoenix", "Fire Fist" Portgas D. Ace, "Diamond" Jozu and "Flower Sword" Vista

VS

Know what? I would be willing to say commanders slight majority. Doffy isn't beating Vista and Jozu combined. Ace and Marco can at least hold off Fujirota

Team 1 wins fuji and Duffy are beast with crazy DF power

Vista is featless he must be powerfull but ı dont think he is good enough to make a difference
Jozu already fooled by Dof before.
Ace is skillfull and talented but pretty dumb and unexperienced

All eyes on Marco, he is the strongest commander and most experienced one.
IF Doflamingo lands bird cage and gets in awakening mode ı dont think (except Marco) any commander would face up with against him.

This is more like Fujitora Vs Marco + extremely tired (cuz of Dof) other commander..

It can goes to either way. Commanders have number advntage and The Duo has powerhouse advantage.

Bump

Doflamingo can handle Jozu with ease. Wouldn't be a stretch to say he could also handle Vista (who has barely any feats other than clashing with Mihawk).

I don't see anyone on team 2 taking down an admiral.

I'll give the fight to team 1

Team 1

Duo

Marco can solo one of them and leave the rest to stall the other one.

@iara: Marco cant soloin anyone.. He is feats are so old and he didnt anything spectacular in the battle of his life.

Plus Fujitora bad match up to him.. Marco's blue flames can erase the effects of the damage and he can fly.. But well Fujitora counter both of these abilities.. Blue Flames cant tank or counter gravitaional force and once Fujitora got him he cant fly too. So Fujitora is a bad match-up for Marco... Marco more like a cqc / melee specialist. But Fujitora has a giant range. And even Sabo didnt anything to Fujitora.. So Marco cant solo anyone specially against fujitora.. he is too crafty for Marco.

Team 1.

Fujitora just crushes Marco with his gravity (at least stopping him from flying) and Doffy makes Jozu fight the other commanders (he already proved he could do it).

Marco is the most important factor, as I wager he could break out of Fuji's gravitational field (Zoro did, after all), and deflecting Kizaru's kick>>>>Elephant Gun (which hurt Fujitora even while he was blocking). But then his rough physical fighting style is countered by Doffy's massive durability. Jozu would be the biggest hand against Doffy, with his mountain level strength, but then again, he was unable to break out of Parasito (makes you wonder how G4 Luffy did it.)

I'd back team 2. They should all be able to at least somewhat hold their own in a 1v1 (doubt Jozu would allow himself to get stringed again), and they have a pretty nice numbers advantage.

@utkanflash: Marco quite clearly demonstrated he has stronger haki than Kizaru and took Aokiji by surprise. The only person he struggled with was Akainu who was already borderline Fleet Admiral Level and capable of landing blows on the strongest character in the entire world. Marco didn't have time to 1v1 a major character because he was constantly flying around the battlefield saving people's asses and ultimately the battle was about Whitebeard and Luffy.

Marco might not have the feats but common sense shows he's just below Yonku level. That still puts him way above Do Flamingo. Fujitora would make a fight out of it due to DF but he'd lose in the end.

Need to see more feats from team 2.

Team 1 for now.

@iara: He didnt "clearly" demonstrated anything.. All Marineford battle was designed so bad and everything was unclear.. How Marco in that type of atmosphere looks that dominant or "clear"..

He just sucker punched Kizaru once or twice, did samething against Aokiji and try on Sakazuki and back fired and failed against Garp.

Dude, common senses is crazy in OP.. One of the most inconsistent series of all time (but somehow ım still one of the OP fans in the world). Whitebeard Pirates came to Marineford as strongest Pirate Crew/Fleet of the World..

And look what happened after marineford, The feats of Doflaminga, feats of mama and her soldier, feats of Kaido all looks far more intimidating and dominant than Whitebeard Pirates.. Even Sabo looks far more superior.

I can get you.. You try to say; "Hey he is the first divison commander of the strongest pirate crew he must be something tough" ..Yeah that claim could work.. And ım agree with you.. And cuz of that claim and logic process we can compare Marco to Dof or any other amiral level char... But we need more and serious feats to say "He can solo any of them" ..

This claim is just too bold for a guy who has only sucker punch like kicks against jobbing admirals.

So ım have to say again,, Marco cant solo anyone.. And plus like ı mentioned ago, Fujitora's abilities are the worst nightmare for Marco's.

@utkanflash:

The idea that anyone can sucker punch an admiral seems ridiculous honestly. To become an admiral I'm pretty sure you have to have a very good understanding of haki which includes the predictive side. I don't know if Marco was just too fast for them or if his own haki somehow blocked theirs but I really don't think it was just a simple sucker punch.

He also flew directly at Garp who has been compared to Roger and therefore effectively Whitebeard as well. Now he may not be as strong as those two but in his prime he was certainly one of the most powerful guys around.

Akainu was clearly overpowering Marco at the end but again he was shortly promoted to Fleet Admiral and also went toe to toe with the strongest man alive. Again losing to someone this powerful doesn't mean he couldn't handle someone of Flamingo's status who was scared stiff by one word from Aokiji.

Also let's not forget the first fight with Kizaru was a very clear test of strength that sent Kizaru flying. Admittedly he used his arm rather than his legs but still Marco won without any help or element of surprise.

Then there's also the fact that one of the four guys in charge of the World Government also said he was one of the very few people that might stop Teach. Now this proved to be false but it says a lot about his status.

I admit it's difficult to compare the War with everything that came after the time-skip. Based purely on visuals it looks like no one even used haki during the war which of course wouldn't make any sense at all. It's a bit like comparing Vader in the original trilogy to Yoda in the prequels. They are meant to be of a similar power level at least lore wise but of course practically Vader was slower than a potato and Yoda would cleave his head off in a couple of strikes.

All I can say is that Shanks is currently featless and yet I am 99% certain that he could solo Kizaru based soley on his reputation alone. The gap between Marco and Flamingo might not be quite that big but to me it's still pretty big considering Luffy could handle Flamingo on his own. At least this understanding of events makes the most sense to me.

@iara: I agree with you

Second that!

The fact that in Marineford arc there was no visual use (or mention) of Haki, leads some people to underrate Whitebeard's commanders.

@iara

I never said "anyone can sucker ounch to an admiral" Im just sayin "soloing option for Marco is to darind on the contrary to his lacks of feats.. His best feats are 2 sucker punch moment". So you're try create speculation for missing the center of my argument.

Shanks reputation >>>>>>> Marco's so its different. But even you agree with me how inconsistent the series are so that why Marco cant solo.. He can give hell of a fight but soloing ?! Nope.. Plus Both Doflamingo and Fujitora is too reinforced against Marco's abilities.

@utkanflash:

I don't know what darind means and I don't really understand your argument. His best feat is beating Kizaru is a clear 1v1 clash that wasn't a sucker punch moment even if we assume the Admirals were unaware enough to be sucker punched. So not only does he have feats but he also has a very big reputation, again he was compared to only Yonku as one of the people that could stop Teach. So I don't think his reputation is so far apart from Shanks. Yes he is clearly weaker than Shanks but not so much so as to suggest that he could be beaten by DoFlamingo.

Your only real argument that I can see is that Fujitora would stop Marco flying? Well we saw in his fight with Sabo that his powers didn't work when he was in flame form so there's no reason to believe his gravitational powers would affect a mystical phoenix so far anyway. The m. eteor would be way too slow to hit Marco as well.

Let's also consider that DoFlamingo's strings would pass through Marco and be utterly useless against him. Meaning it's a test of haki which Marco wins.

@iara

Marco aint the same feats with Sabo even without Ace's devil fruit Sabo was good enough to be 2nd man in the second most powerfull organization (after World Goverment) and he add that fruit to his power too.. So its kinda better resume than Sabo..

ANd Fujitora was never serious at Dressrosa Island he even give chance to Luffy for their escape.. And he was also wanted to their success against Doflamingo too... So Fujitora never take serious his fights in Dressrosa.. His fight against Law, against Zoro, against Sabo and Luffy too. Even helped them.

And ı didnt see Sabo making constant aerial attacks against Fujitora ?! How can you able to compare with Marco's possible situation against Fujitora !?.
And again Marco can give a great fight. But "soloing" its not option.. you're talking like ı said " I think Marco is too weak for them". I didnt said that ı just said "He hasnt enough feat and reputation for any soloing attempt against a Admiral and near-ardmiral level another char."

And you're still resistant about understand that. And How Marco win in terms of Haki ?! How he is gonna win against Dof ?! Who is a guy shows 3 type of haki perfectly even daring to face admirals ?! Your last sentence full with bias Sir.

and ı was misstyped.. Darind-> Daring :) :D

@utkanflash:

You missed the point. I was simply stating that if his gravity abilities didn't work on flame then there's no reason for it to work on Marco's flame either. My last statement has no bias, it's just factual. We've already seen Marco's phoenix form absorb the blasts from Kizaru, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't absorb DoFlamingo's wires just as easily. It's widely known that Marco has one of the strongest devil fruits as it's one of the rare mythical zoan types. Therefore it would be logical to assume Marco could still fly in his mythical form and then change state shortly before attacking Fujitora, making his gravity powers less effective.

Now let's talk about DoFlamingo. First he didn't dare to face admirals, he shit himself at the sight of Aokiji (that guy Marco kicked miles away). Secondly Marco showed the ability to fight all three admirals during the war. Guess what, they're all logias which means to even have a chance of hitting them you need to have haki. Then you also not to have incredibly powerful haki to have a chance at hitting them, particularly if you want to send Kizaru and Aokiji flying off in another direction.

I'll admit DoFlamingo might have an advantage with conquerors haki, the only problem is we've only seen that affect low level characters. Meanwhile we've also see Marco withstand Shanks haki so unless you want to start arguing that Flamingo>Shanks I suggest we leave that alone.

So to conclude. From what we've seen his devil fruit would be effective against both DoFlamingo and Fujitora. He demonstrated more powerful feats of haki during the war than either of them. His reputation (if you remember) is also almost considered equal to a yonku and therefore vastly outweighs Luffy who did solo DoFlamingo as well as a base level admiral.

@iara:

First he didn't dare to face admirals, he shit himself at the sight of Aokiji (that guy Marco kicked miles away).

He attacked Fujitora without hesitating so that proves he isn't scared of Admirals, I don't know where you saw him 'shit himself' at the sight of Aokiji, he attacked Smoker knowing Aokiji would act, which he did, then he left because it was the smart thing to do, if he had stayed he would have had a brutal fight leaving him worse for wear meaning he then couldn't defend Dressrosa from the Straw Hat/Heart Pirate alliance, I think you know you're exaggerating but Marco only kicked Kizaru out of the sky into a building, it's a great strength showing but theirs was nthing more than a friendly scuffle and Kizaru wasn't trying that hard

Secondly Marco showed the ability to fight all three admirals during the war. Guess what, they're all logias which means to even have a chance of hitting them you need to have haki. Then you also not to have incredibly powerful haki to have a chance at hitting them, particularly if you want to send Kizaru and Aokiji flying off in another direction.

This is true but he caught Aokiji off guard, had a fight with a non serious Kizaru and only blocked Akainu, he didn't have prolonged fights with any Admiral, you're hyping up his Haki a bit too much as well, he and Vista's combined attack couldn't even phase Akainu, so his Haki while enough to attack Admirals was never shown injuring one and his showings aren't enough to say he's way pout of Doflamingo's Haki league

Luffy who did solo DoFlamingo as well as a base level admiral.

But why lie? Luffy had help from Law against Doflamingo then help from the citizens of Dressrosa to stall Doffy so he could regain his Haki, he didn't come anywhere close to solo-ing Doflamingo nor did he solo Fujitora, they had a short bout which was inconclusive, not to mentioned Fujitora was keeping island wide rubble in the sky meaning that:

1. He couldn't bring down meteors
2. He didn't have his full concentration on Luffy

This isn't just Marco vs Doffy and Fujitora. Ace has a reputation as well. He was invited to become a Shichibukai. 500 million bounty. He overpowered Aokiji Pheasant Beak. The fact doffy didn't even attempt to challenge Aokiji makes me think he knows it was unwise to challenge someone of that level. While Ace would probably end up going down to Kuzan, he would stand a better chance at beating him than Doffy. That's what I gather based on the little feats and facts given on Ace power. Team two wins.

Ace is the one person here who has zero Haki feats, if Doflamingo infuses his strings with Haki Ace is a dead man and how did Ace overpower Pheasant Beak? The attacks cancelled each other out, Doflamingo didn't challenge Aokiji because he had nothing to gain from it, it would have been a waste of time and he would have lost meaning Law and Luffy could do whatever they wanted in Dressrosa, the only person Doffy has shown to be scared of is Kaido

@stardance:

If you watch closely after Aokiji first speaks you can see in his face he's shitting himself. As he should be, Aokiji fought Akainu for 10 days straight who is leagues above Doflamingo. Saying it would "leave him worse for wear" is a giant understatement.

Yes Marco and Kizaru taunted each other a bit but it was far from friendly. While I'm sure Kizaru wasn't going all out, I doubt he wanted to have his ass handed to him infront of everyone. Similarly he just tried to take out Whitebeard and I doubt Marco took that too lightly (no pun intended) even if he knew it wouldn't work.

Now the whole sucker punch thing. If you read the thread you'll see we've been over this but I don't believe you can sucker punch an admiral. They're masters of haki and should easily predict incoming attacks. The only reason they can't is if the person is incredibly fast or perhaps blocks out their haki with their own? I'm not sure how it works but it's been established that they can predict incoming attacks at incredible speed. For them to not see Marco coming is impressive as far as I can tell but I admit the whole thing is unclear.

Also he is shown to cut Akainu but I agree it doesn't bother him in the slightest. Keep in mind Akainu is almost Fleet Admiral level at this time.

I admit I made an error with the Luffy point. Let's be completely honest though, when they were actually fighting Luffy was beating him badly. Now maybe this is down to Gear 4 being really powerful, I don't know, but I do know that Marco has a damn strong devil fruit of his own that would allow him to regenerate from Flamingo's attacks.

My wording at the end was unclear and I apologize for that. I was trying to say that Marco's reputation far outweighs Luffy's (who has solo'd Doflamingo, although I admit now this was incorrect) and that it also outweighs the reputation of a base level admiral. Sorry for that one.

Well we're starting to go around in circles. I'm happy to go on record saying that Marco can solo both characters as I think the evidence overwhelmingly supports that assumption but it's your right to disagree with me. There are signs that Marco will be coming back relatively soon so hopefully we'll get more concrete evidence when that happens.

@iara: Marco couldn't even harm an Admiral, and the moment he got distracted a Vice Admiral put him in cuffs so how can he solo an Admiral + Doflamingo? He doesn't have the feats for what you're saying

@stardance: I didn't mean he can solo both of them at the same time...

@iara: fujitoras gravity would work on Marco it didn't work on Sabo because he is actual fire and intangible, Marco isn't intangible he just heals fast so the gravity would hold him down.

and a big LOL at him soloing both when he has no feats to suggest this the admirals weren't even taking him serious, he has no way to put any significant damage on either of these 2.

He doesn't have the feats to take either of them, Marco proved he could stall an Admiral, anything more is exaggerating his showings

@skrskr: If Kizaru's attacks travel through Marco in phoenix form freely then I see no reason for gravity to work on him either.

You're right though. I'm sure the most powerful pirate in the world chose a complete weakling as his first division commander that's good for nothing other than surprising admirals and then running away. Hopefully we'll get to see him fight Usopp, should be a close match.

@stardance: I guess I'm just lucky I've been blessed with the ability to use common sense as well as analyze feats.

Or a lack of

• Fails to harm an Admiral even when using Haki
• Gets punked by a Vice Admiral
• Can beat Fujitora

Wait no, the bolding makes no sense, please try harder...And you can't claim to have common sense and analyze feats when I had to explain Observation Haki to you when you yourself thought the feat was unclear

@stardance:

Shall we try this again, this time with facts?

1. Sent an admiral flying with a kick, stopping his assault on his commander.

2. Sent another admiral flying, one capable of fighting for 10 days with Akainu (a Fleet Admiral and one of the few people alive that could fight Whitebeard). Thus stopping his attack on one of his allies.

3. Tanked the most powerful admiral, cleaved a mark through his shoulder thus saving yet another ally.

4. Is this first division commander of the most powerful pirate in the world. Also one of the longest serving in the world and survived in the age of Roger most likely fighting Roger's crew.

5. Is said by the Gorosei to be the only person other than a Yonku that might be capable of stopping Blackbeard.

6. Fights Blackbeard who has two devil fruits and is shaping up to be the toughest villain of the series. Lives to tell the tale.

7. Tanks a punch from Garp the Fist one of the most powerful characters in the entire series. Isn't hurt or bothered by it.

8. Isn't hurt by anyone throughout the entire War except when he has handcuffs on. Despite never being hurt he has fought all 3 admirals and Garp who is said to be above admiral level.

9. Somehow can't defeat Doflamingo or Fujitora due to a lack of feats.

@stardance: We never got to see Marco fight Kizaru. But I'm sure it would have been the anti-thesis of a one-sided fight. Jozu was only defeated by Aokiji because of a cheap shot. Had that not happened we would've seen a near stalemate. He tanked and shrugged off a full on slash from Mihawk without any harm being done to him. Ace also did pretty well against The Admirals he faced all things considered. Whitebeard's commanders were very powerful.

Realistically Doflamingo should not be in the same tier as the Whitebeard Commanders or Admirals yet.

@stardance: I don't know what you think being kicked and knocked on your ass feels like but I assure you it hurts. Similarly if you see a fight and someone knocks the other guy over and lands a full force blow while taking no hits in return, well that guy is normally considered the winner. Now I can't expect you to know what being slashed through the shoulder/neck feels like but even you might have common sense to know that he can feel it.

Now shall we examine the reverse argument? None of the admirals, two of which were almost Fleet Admiral level, were able to hurt Marco. Oh and yes Akainu was using haki on him. There's literally no reason for him not to. Furthermore, Garp (who is compared to Roger and Whitebeard) wasn't able to hurt Marco. Yet somehow you think that string from a warlord is going to do more damage to a mythical zoan type that is based on regeneration and tanking damage. Yeh, good luck with that.

"Titles and hype only please use feats" - Well you see this is where normal people would use common sense. Omitting pertinent information because it doesn't suit your argument isn't very bright. Based on feats alone Zoro could be Roger because we've seen more of him and all Roger has done is wave a sword around in the air. Yet anyone with half a brain knows Roger would have kicked his ass.

Now as for Blackbeard, let's try and think a little here if we can. A character that can take away a persons devil fruit ability versus a character with no form of ranged attacks that relies heavily on his devil fruit to regenerate. In terms of match ups, it's fucking awful for Marco. Not only this but now Teach has the fruit that can destroy the world if the person using it is strong enough. Yet Marco was able to fight him which means he relied solely on his haki. Now we know the fight wasn't a complete stomp because if it was Teach would have straight up killed Marco. Logically that means that Marco's haki was at least pretty damn strong if it allowed him to fight Teach one on one for any amount of time.

Please tell me what feats suggest Doflamingo could even scratch Marco. Same goes for Fujitora.

@iara:

I don't know what you think being kicked and knocked on your ass feels like but I assure you it hurts. Similarly if you see a fight and someone knocks the other guy over and lands a full force blow while taking no hits in return, well that guy is normally considered the winner. Now I can't expect you to know what being slashed through the shoulder/neck feels like but even you might have common sense to know that he can feel it.

The Admirals showed no lasting damage to any of Marco's attacks, a combined Haki offensive with Marco and Vista didn't phase Akainu, you keep ignoring this and think it isn't relevant when it in fact shows that they obviously can't beat him

Now shall we examine the reverse argument? None of the admirals, two of which were almost Fleet Admiral level, were able to hurt Marco. Oh and yes Akainu was using haki on him. There's literally no reason for him not to.

?

Akainu was charging at Luffy whom he doesn't need to use Haki on, then Marco intercepted him at the last moment so no he wasn't using Haki

The reaching is real...

Furthermore, Garp (who is compared to Roger and Whitebeard) wasn't able to hurt Marco.

This is true, but you again can't seem to grasp the fact that he hit Marco with a blunt force attack, Doflamingo utilizes cutting and piercing strings

Yet somehow you think that string from a warlord is going to do more damage to a mythical zoan type that is based on regeneration and tanking damage. Yeh, good luck with that.

This is really quite bad actually, conjecture on your part here, no regard for feats all and using titles like it's of significance when next to someone with as many showings as Doflamingo

Marco has zero showings to suggest he won't get cut, none at all, he only regened from light blasts which don't have any Haki infused in them and the damage he tanked wasn't cutting or piercing, attemtping to low ball Doflamingo by saying 'string from a Warlord' won't get you anywhere when he has the feats to win

"Titles and hype only please use feats" - Well you see this is where normal people would use common sense. Omitting pertinent information because it doesn't suit your argument isn't very bright. Based on feats alone Zoro could be Roger because we've seen more of him and all Roger has done is wave a sword around in the air. Yet anyone with half a brain knows Roger would have kicked his ass.

Here was what you said:

'Is this first division commander of the most powerful pirate in the world. Also one of the longest serving in the world and survived in the age of Roger most likely fighting Roger's crew.'

Here all you've done is give statements in place of feats, all Marco has done is proven he can stall Admirals, the Roger and Zoro red herring is neither here nor there

Now as for Blackbeard, let's try and think a little here if we can. A character that can take away a persons devil fruit ability versus a character with no form of ranged attacks that relies heavily on his devil fruit to regenerate. In terms of match ups, it's fucking awful for Marco. Not only this but now Teach has the fruit that can destroy the world if the person using it is strong enough. Yet Marco was able to fight him which means he relied solely on his haki. Now we know the fight wasn't a complete stomp because if it was Teach would have straight up killed Marco. Logically that means that Marco's haki was at least pretty damn strong if it allowed him to fight Teach one on one for any amount of time.

It

Was

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Panel

Yes we can make some reasonable assumptions but you're exploding with conjecture here, it's ridiculous, did Marco fight BB alone or was all of it one on one? Did Vista aid him? Was Jozu preoccupied with BB's other crew mates? What method's did Marco use against BB? We don't bloody know because it was off panel, stop with the head canon please, this is all we know about that battle:

Marco suffered an overwhelming defeat, stop using this off panel battle for your arguments, it doesn't help you at all

Please tell me what feats suggest Doflamingo could even scratch Marco.

He can infuse his strings with Haki and has sliced through meteors like butter

Marco has shown no feats against cutting attacks, he is susceptible to Haki based piercing attacks, you also didn't acknowledge Marco getting incapped by a Vice Admiral

Same goes for Fujitora.

He has coated his sword with Haki, a sword that withstood the Bird Cage

@stardance:

You want me to address Marco's ability to slice open one of the most powerful characters in the series apart? Causing him to stop and complain about their attack. Yes, surely this feat proves Marco cannot hurt the admiral he just cut open. With more attacks I'm sure he would simply tickle him a bit. There's obviously no reason to believe the more attacks would have a longer lasting impact or that being cut open would hurt at all.

Akainu also didn't need to punch Luffy. It would be far better to just engulf him in lava. Fighters do what comes naturally to them not always what makes the most sense. In a war this serious and important and given Akainu's nature it would be stupid for him to not being using haki at all times. He wanted to make sure he finished off Luffy, he was surrounded by whitebeard commanders, why wouldn't he use haki? Either way there's still nothing to show that the admirals can hurt Marco and they're a lot more powerful than Doflamingo and Fujitora.

Blackbeard I concede. We don't know. It makes far more sense to me for Marco to have challenged Blackbeard directly and for him to have blocked Marco's powers forcing him to use haki but you only understand feats and technicalities so we'll do it your way.

"He can infuse his strings with Haki and has sliced through meteors like butter

Marco has shown no feats against cutting attacks, he is susceptible to Haki based piercing attacks"

Oh dear that must have hurt to write. Please tell me what feat suggests Marco is susceptible to haki based piercing attacks. Where did we see such an attack prevent him from regenerating in his phoenix form? Also please show me the feat where Doflamingo and Fujitora used their attacks to hurt an admiral level opponent and do lasting damage to them. What feats do they have that suggest in a long lasting fight they could beat such an opponent?

@stardance said:

@iara said:

Well we're starting to go around in circles. I'm happy to go on record saying that Marco can solo both characters as I think the evidence overwhelmingly supports that assumption but it's your right to disagree with me. There are signs that Marco will be coming back relatively soon so hopefully we'll get more concrete evidence when that happens.

Welcome to the club dude :D :D

You want me to address Marco's ability to slice open one of the most powerful characters in the series apart?

Which didn't do any damage, here you go again ignoring the actual important part

Causing him to stop and complain about their attack.

An attack that did no damage, an attack which he performed in tandem with his fellow Commander

Yes, surely this feat proves Marco cannot hurt the admiral he just cut open.

We literally see Akainu say it was only irritating

I don't get you at all, it's like you're not even reading or looking at the scans properly, Akainu wasn't hurt, a child can see this...

With more attacks I'm sure he would simply tickle him a bit.

He said they were irritating....

There's obviously no reason to believe the more attacks would have a longer lasting impact or that being cut open would hurt at all.

Why would they have? Their Haki wasn't strong enough to hurt him, there's not much else to it, that's it. When Rayleigh fought Kizaru, his Haki was strong enough to draw blood from him, proving he could harm him, when Marco and Vista both attacked Akainu they can't injure him, they can't draw blood, their Haki only annoys him

Akainu also didn't need to punch Luffy. It would be far better to just engulf him in lava. Fighters do what comes naturally to them not always what makes the most sense.

So you didn't read what he did to Luffy then?

Oh would you look at that, Akainu punching through Jinbei and giving Luffy his trademark burn scar

In a war this serious and important and given Akainu's nature it would be stupid for him to not being using haki at all times.

More conjecture, zero proof, it's all assumptions with you, the only time Akainu was confirmed using Busoshoku Haki during the war was when he, Kizaru and Aokiji stopped Whitebeard's Quake, he never attacked Marco with Haki, hell he never attacked Marco in the first place, Marco intercepted him

He wanted to make sure he finished off Luffy,

Which he could have easily done without using Haki considering how weak Luffy is in comparison to him

he was surrounded by whitebeard commanders, why wouldn't he use haki?

He was never attacking Marco and co in the first place, he was going after Luffy whom he didn't need to use Haki on

Either way there's still nothing to show that the admirals can hurt Marco and they're a lot more powerful than Doflamingo and Fujitora.

You're just too much now...Fujitora is an Admiral too. You do know that, right?

Blackbeard I concede. We don't know. It makes far more sense to me for Marco to have challenged Blackbeard directly and for him to have blocked Marco's powers forcing him to use haki but you only understand feats and technicalities so we'll do it your way.

Glad we cleared that up and you say the last clause as if it's an issue, that's the way to do things, not head canon or speculation on your part, your red herrings are getting irritating

"He can infuse his strings with Haki and has sliced through meteors like butter

Marco has shown no feats against cutting attacks, he is susceptible to Haki based piercing attacks"

Oh dear that must have hurt to write. Please tell me what feat suggests Marco is susceptible to haki based piercing attacks.

His defense against Parasite String is?

And we've seen him getting pierced by Kizaru's lasers, which aren't and can't even be amped with Haki, Haki based cutting/piercing attacks are something he won't withstand, least of all Parasite String

Where did we see such an attack prevent him from regenerating in his phoenix form?

No defense against Parasite String, if blunt fused Haki attacks can knock him around then piercing based Haki attacks will slice him

Also please show me the feat where Doflamingo and Fujitora used their attacks to hurt an admiral level opponent and do lasting damage to them. What feats do they have that suggest in a long lasting fight they could beat such an opponent?

Marco. Isn't. Admiral. Level.

But hey if you really want to go there, you must think Jozu is Admiral level too, right? Well Doflamingo made him his puppet and Fujitora himself is an actual Admiral with Haki feats like his sword withstanding the bird cage

Commanders. Marco and Vista are about Taisho level and Ace/Jozu should put the team above Doffy and Fuji. The reason I say Vista is around admin level is cause he was stalemating Mihawk who is easily one of the fastest and most skilled op characters.

Vista just had a sparring match with Mihawk, he stalled and neither were trying hard and when he and Marco tried to injure Akainu they both failed so no they aren't Admiral level, Ace has zero Haki feats and based on what he said when he had a run in with Smoker, it seems he doesn't even use Armament Haki, he has no speed feats to suggest Doflamingo doesn't blitz him and Jozu already got controlled by Doflamingo with minimal effort, this is all while considering the fact that Doflamingo can make a clone

Doffy and Fuji stompfest